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Why is the legal status of marijuana important?

Lovers of Freedom & Liberty,

In my mind, the legal status of marijuana is a pure freedom and liberty issue. Should any person or entity have the authority to tell us what we can or can not do as long as we are doing no harm? How can we say we live in a free country? My litmus test for any political candidate is their stance on the legality of marijuana. That is why I'm unsure about Rand. I won't vote for him if he can't come out and say that he is for the full legalization of marijuana.

Sincerely,
Claybridge

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Property and Voluntary Exchange

Two consenting adult non-felons should be able to trade whatever the heck they want with each other for whatever price they mutually decide. It does not matter if it is plants, firearms, raw milk, or whatever.

'Should any person or entity

'Should any person or entity have the authority to tell us what we can or can not do as long as we are doing no harm?' No, 'I' don't believe they should, but the vast majority of people do. And since we live in a democracy the 'vast majority' can, and will, vote away the rights of the minority. Most people live in constant fear of freedom and need an 'authority' figure to tell them how to live and to make them feel safe. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

No harm to others, or no harm

No harm to others, or no harm at all?

If no harm at all, then lots of people will claim psychoactive substances do harm and should be controlled by law.

If no harm to others, than your principle should extend to all substances including poisons, and suicide.

If you want to have a pure, principled litmus test, you have to extend the principle well beyond the 'in' drug of the day. Otherwise you are being just as unprincipled as the politician.

And if you tell me that weed is a plant and not a drug, I will roundhouse kick you to the face.

Nice reply...funny

No harm to others...that is what I meant. People should have the freedom and liberty to do all the self-harm they want. People do this everyday already...legally The litmus test is marijuana because that tells me whether or not the candidate "gets it".

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

Two terms, each describing

Two terms, each describing government's involvement:

1) legalize: to make legal. (legal: law/gov't; -ize: to make)

2) decriminalize: to remove criminality. (de-: remove; crime: a thing done to punish for; -ize: to make)

One of those terms is government control and the other is the absence of government control which means the individual can grow, sell and consume what is in question and seek (or not seek) help without anyone being stolen from to provide for him, the ethical position. Additionally, if dispute should happen about the thing in question, the dispute can be resolved privately or through the court system.

Which of the two terms institutionalizes, creates, sellers who abide the government's say-so, and which term allows freedom, where the individual talks with whom he wants and can even produce what he wants without fear of interloper/government attack especially if that production isn't to the government's guidelines?

Again, the terms are:

1) legalize
2) decriminalize

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Thanks or bringing light...

...to the difference. Ideally, full decriminalization would be the best path. However...that won't happen short of a 2nd armed revolution. Legalization is the only path that will be accepted by the Statists IMHO.

Good-on-ya!

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

Hemp is more important than marijuana

Hemp is more important than marijuana. Legalize the marijuana, and you legalize the hemp.

Moreover

Moreover the government should stay out of the matter entirely. We have had conclusive verification that cannabis is good for the mind, body, and society for centuries. Even in 1944 we had conclusive proof that it is not dangerous. And so no one with other opinions, whether backed by criminal policies or not, has any real authority on the matter whatsoever.

WE NEED TO REPEAL THE WHOLE

WE NEED TO REPEAL THE WHOLE WAR ON DRUGS, until i hear rand paul say that, granger and rand paul are full of SHIT! at around 55seconds ,feel freeto post rand paul saying this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

Ron Paul 2016

We do need to repeal all of it...

But Rand Paul is a politician.

He has to bs a little. He has said multiple times he thinks marijuana laws should not be the federal government's business.

I am a radical when it comes to mj. But I am willing to settle with Rand Paul because I think he is taking the establishment for a ride, giving them a taste of their own medicine, while he holds the same convictions as his father. I think he will move to get marijuana legislation passed to get it out of the federal government's hands, if elected President.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

feel free to post a rand

feel free to post a rand video for the calling of the end of the federal drug war, http://rt.com/usa/paul-war-washington-week-613/

have searched all over for rand calling for an end of the federal drug war and repealing it, no where to be found anyone post it, i want to hear rand paul say it which he has not, ron paul has!! tired of these dingleberry randers, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

Ron Paul 2016

I agree with you, Rand should

I agree with you, Rand should be supporting individual rights over state and fed but he is doing the same thing statists do state rights over individual rights.

I do not buy rands pandering on the BS position on the failed drug war.

INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS over state rights
NOT state rights over INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!!!!!!

the marijuana issue is not even about marijuana anymore it is about the basic level of individual rights,liberty and freedom, there is only yes or no, buts are just bs fence sitting and bs pandering.people who say yes but are full of crap.

If i had to grade rand paul on his postions on the drug war issues, I give him a D- failure

Ron Paul 2016

I'm with you on individual rights over state rights.. definitely

Again, BUT...

Rand I believe, is trying to move us in the right direction, without drumming up opposition.

Still, I think if we don't collapse as a nation soon, then we will just have to wait for the 'Greatest' generation and a half the Boomers to push over the cliff before we get all out legalization.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Can you name one elected person who is not a statist?

Ron Paul said to leave issues like marijuana and abortion up to the states, thus, Ron Paul is a statist.

If you understood how statism can protect your freedom, from the bottom up, then you would respect Rand Paul's position in empowering the people with freedom from federal republic tyranny as a dictator, or worse, and what trap you are falling into, a global tyranny by rejecting statism on a local level.

No man is an island, and if you believe that you are, then understand, your island is seriously invaded by many armies who are forcing you to their will because your only will is thinking you are an island when you are not. Gee,, being an island is statism.. so actually, you are a nothing but a dandilion seed in the winds of tyranny and completely subject to the elements.

stop misleading and lying,

stop misleading and lying, post the video of rand saying this or stfu, WE NEED TO REPEAL THE WHOLE WAR ON DRUGS, until i hear rand paul say that, granger and rand paul are full of SHIT! at around 55seconds ,feel freeto post rand paul saying this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

Ron Paul 2016

No WE don't

What do you want, some dictator to do your will?

What my county did, needs to be done in every county. Why not get to work on yours? You don't have to figure it out, we already did that for you. All you have to do is get with our program.,. it's worked for a decade. What's stopping you? FEAR? IGNORance? Excuses excuses and then you demand some dictator tell everyone what to do. SHAME ON YOU. You didn't get Ron or Rand.

ron paul wanted to end the

ron paul wanted to end the federal drug war. Rand paul wants to support state rights over individual rights, granger you are so far up rands ass, you have become a dingleberry dinosaur. individual rights over state rights not state over individual rights. some dinosaurs need to be fossils or flushed.

rands position on the drug war is bs and nothing more then pandering and supporting a failed drug war at the federal level and he also supports states criminalizing a non criminal offense. clearly rand supports state rights over individual rights straight from his own mouth. RAND is ok with STATES CRIMINALIZING A NON CRIMINAL ACT. rand is full of crap on the many issues of the failed drug war.

The drug war is a criminal enterpise by the us gov and state governments and rand paul clearly supports it.

Ron Paul 2016

Not to worry

Granger will immediately fall in line when the Repubs railroad Rand like they did his dad. She will run to kiss ass on whatever candidate they tell her to support. (remember granger's love of Romney?)

Formerly rprevolutionist

What protects individual rights?

or do you think individual rights don't need protection?

I have been an activist fighting the war on cannabis for decades. I was a one issue voter for decades. I'm well aware, perhaps far more than you, how MASSIVE the prison industrial complex PIC is, how and why it operates, and I firmly believe cannabis is illegal for one reason, to sustain slaves for the PIC.

I have worked with many GREAT people over these decades, many are heros who died in prison. I have watched laws that enabled support to those inside deminish.. the Patriot Act took away the right to help/abet brave patriots in the war on drugs who are prisoners of war.

I now live in a county where marijuana is decriminalized. There are many growers and users here all operating within the law and they do not worry about going to prison.

I have tried to teach others how to do this, but rather, you don't want to get in the "STATIST" game and change things in your area, you want the individual right to rant.

RANT ON.

for the uninformed...

what country are you talking about?

Mendocino County CA, Measure

Mendocino County CA, Measure G, 2004

the state or federal gov

the state or federal gov never protect individual rights, the constitution does.

feel free to post a rand video for the calling of the end of the federal drug war, http://rt.com/usa/paul-war-washington-week-613/

have searched all over for rand calling for an end of the federal drug war and repealing it, no where to be found anyone post it, i want to hear rand paul say it which he has not, ron paul has!!! tired of these dingleberry randers, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

I give you links granger and all you give me is BULLS#%T, admit it rand paul doesn't support indivudual rights. he supports the state over individuals. heclearly states this. I will not support him, feel free to move to my county and be his dingleberry.I WILL NOT so go tell your bs to someone else. are you denying that rand supports state rights over individual rights?? i think not which means rand fails for me.

don't tell me about legal marijuana or decrim we did it in colorado not bs polticians like gop est and pandering rand paul. WE THE PEOPLE did it. Under rand policy,he would be ok with the state fining,imprisoning people even in states in colorado where it is legal.
the state is not protecting the right at all. they continue to ignore and that is why we the people have to pass another law because of people like rand paul bsing on the drug war. remove your head from the septic tank granger you are in denial!

granger and rand are full of crap. you and rand endorse fed and state over individual rights. FAIL , dinosaurs

Ron Paul 2016

Your attorney does that

Your attorney protects your individual rights. Your city or county protect your cultural rights, the states protects your counties rights and the fed prtect your bill of rights.

Rand is not a doctator and should not act like a dictator calling for the end of the war on drugs.

The war on drugs needs to end, not with a dictator, but by, of and for wee the people.

"Individual rights" are what an attorney protects for the individual who hires him.

All Colorado did was empower the fed by agreeing to pay taxes to feed the government.

The only one here fos is you demanding we have a dictator in the name of ending the war on drugs.

Having trouble following Granger's logic...

...as usual. Our elected officials...ideally...would be doing the will of "we the people". So...if we elect someone to POTUS that runs on doing everything in his/her power to end the Federal War on Drugs...and when elected they use the power of the pen to defund the war...or perhaps executive order to undo the wrongs of many past POTUSs...what is wrong with that? How else will it end? Seriously Granger...what is the path for righting this mess?

claybridge

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

As if government is logic

Our elected officials....ohh yeah! We're talking about a lot of people from school boards, to supervisor boards, sheriffs, and judges, city councils, governors, to state and national senators, assemblycritters to congresscritters, and all the chairs and seats, offices, we even vote on issues AKA propositions, acts, bills, measures...

There's a lot of people "doing the will of the people".

The POTUS might as well be who you want to deliver the address, because the executive orders have put a big dent in representional government.

Let me start again. We the people of the United States have a Federal Republic with Representional Democracy.. that's why we vote, though some would say it's just another ponzi scheme.. but I degress.. What you want to know is how to end that war on marijuana, right?

Here is CA we began with a proposition 215 (we actually had to get this on the ballot a few times before it passes in 1996 with 56%.). I would suggest you use the word cannabis, and include hemp cannabis.. but if it's just marijuana, which is a start, though I like the Rand is starting with industrail cannabis better).

You want to get a petition for ballot access for a propsition for medical marijuana passed on the state level..http://vote96.sos.ca.gov/bp/215text.htm

It's not that hard, we now have 22 states.. so you have plenty of propositions to chose from. Once you have that in place you want to get a Measure passed for your county. http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/nov82000.htm

Every grower has an attorney.. the attorney protects the growers individual rights, under the law. There will still be laws, such as here you can not grow near a school, you are limited to the amounts of plants.. you buy tags from the sheriff... I think there are laws saying you can not transport it out of the county..

Since measure G passed, this county protects the cannabis culture.. the culture of the people, the majority of people accept marijuana as not being a crime..

Proposition 215 medical marijuana was poorly written in my opinion.. Jack Herer, before he passed came up with a great inniative, which I was working on when I joined with Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLTvmI-M8d8 You can find CA Hemp and Health Cannabis Inniative 2012.. (I began working with Jack in 1993)

http://www.citizensincharge.org/learn/primer