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Not Much Sympathy from Rand Paul on Bradley Manning Verdict

There's terrible news out about Rand Paul and comments he has made about Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden.

At a Cato University event, Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets and that Manning put many lives at risk by releasing millions of pages “willy-nilly,” reports DL Magazine.

“There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. I think if you’ve got the, you know, the plans on how to make a nuclear bomb that is a state secret. If you give that to the enemy, that is being treasonous,” said Rand, “Even if you reveal it, you just have to have laws against that. What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just released millions of pages of things and I think some people have said there is potentially some harm from that. You know individual agents that could have been killed or put at risk from this. So there is a problem with that. So I just can’t support that.”

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Scott CamutoAugust 21, 2013 at 12:02 AM

I was there at the CATO University event. Rand Paul used the words I have no sympathy. Before answering he said that he hoped he would only get easy questions and after answering the question he stepped down without taking any others.

From one of the sources

From one of the sources misquoting Rand, d l magazine

http://dlmagazine.org/2013/08/ron-paul-celebrates-78th-birth...

"Of all the government hating leaders of the 20th and 21st century, Ron Paul is arguably responsible for converting the most people to a political philosophy called libertarianism. This ideology, known for its strong belief that the free market can do anything and that poor people should die if they can’t afford healthcare, has become the new trend on the internet in the last few years. The former gynecologist unsuccessfully ran for president in 1988, 2008, and 2012. Following his last miserable defeat at the hands of more compassionate and realistic candidates, like Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, Dr. Paul finally called it quits on public office."

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

Bradley Manning knew the

Bradley Manning knew the consequences. So does Snowden. We all must face consequences for our actions, including spreading truth that is treason in the empire of lies. We may not like the consequences, we can seek to change them, but feeling sorry for someone for facing them takes away from the real problem itself - a government that is out of control.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

Has anyone found the source?

Has anyone found the source? The video? Please share it. Until then I have seen enough Paul bashing to not fall for a headline.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

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Can anyone actually verify

Can anyone actually verify Rand said this? DL mag has a page rank of zero, which means they're either brand new or they have no web credibility at this time. Can anyone offer a reason we should believe this? Is there another source to verify this?

OK

the DL Magazine is actually 2 articles. this from the 2nd which is easy to miss.

Senator Paul makes the remark that many people, including his father, would disagree with him on his belief that Manning did not have political intentions for the Wikileaks scandal.
“With Manning I don’t have a lot of sympathy for what he did and it does have to be against the law. His doesn’t really seem to be political, you know. I mean he says he is but he just released millions of documents. So they’re not easy questions and I know there are probably people in this audience who disagree with me. I think my dad disagrees with me.”

When DL Magazine asked Dr. Ron Paul, the Senator’s father, about his thoughts over Manning and Snowden, his concerns are focused on the criminality of the government.
“I think there is some criminality here and that’s with the government. He has already been overly punished. He is a whistleblower in my estimation. He has been accused of turning over all this information to the enemy,” said the elder Paul, “He turned it over to the American people and it’s more likely the government thinks of us as the enemy. Now we know a lot that we didn’t know before. He’s been in solitary confinement for two and half years, he’s been tortured. Many of you know what went on.”

Rand needs to understand

he's not going to be permitted to be the next GOP candidate for POTUS and he will not be permitted to be POTUS...ever. So, why not be straightforward and speak out for what is right.

Those claims smell bad

Like you pulled them from your ass or something.

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It really amazes me

how politicians who are supposed to has so much intellect, fail to remark in ways, that prevent displeasure from their base. They look to gain support from those who have surredered to the state, by compromising their stated conviction by compromising with the state. You also, must question exactly what are their 'true' convictions?

In other words, Rand, could have stated how the state has gone way out of control robbing the American people of their Liberty and becoming a Tyrannical state. Instead of looking at the real causes of why people might want to harm us, we have taken actions that make the hatred worse, while eliminating the Constitutional restraints that have made out Country so great. It's trully sad, that our government has disreguared the Founders intent to the point where people like Bradley Manning and Ed Snowden have to result to methods of civil disobedience, that could destroy their lives in hopes of exposing what our government is doing to the American people and the unjust actions done to people in foreign lands. We shouldn't be looking at the crimes these men have commited, and start questioning the unrestricted, unrestrained measures our government has taken us to, and decide if we want to continue down this, what many have concluded, Tryanical path. Only the people as a whole can change the direction of our country, the federal government and courts are too compromised by special and personal interest to decide to take away these powers they have grabbed. I will do my best to fight for our liberties, but I am just one person in a huge bureacracy, so it will take you, the people to stand up and tell their elected officials you demand changes to more sensible measures of securing America, instead of destroying our Liberty.

From what I read it seems as

From what I read it seems as if he is speaking about different scenarios of leaking information and how there should be laws to protect certain information.

You say he made comments about Snowden?

Where?

I feel terrible for Bradley Manning, the way they've treated him. Still, he did just release all that stuff willy-nilly.

Snowden was very deliberate, and there were clear constitutional issues involved.

The two cases seem different.

But, I don't see why a US Senator who actually is trying to be President would praise Bradley Manning.

Maybe history will remember what he did, and hopefully he'll get a pardon long before his life and sentence are up.

Bradley Manning's actions were willy-nilly???

I think we need to remember that Bradley Manning exposed video of war crimes where troops were killing people in a.. well some might call it a little "willy-nilly"

So where is the outrage for that???

No proof that Bradley Manning hurt anyone

Even the government admitted he was not guilty of aiding the enemy, which would not be the case if his leaks had hurt anyone.

I am not voting for anyone that is not willing to stand up for Bradley Manning.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

I agree

But I am also not willing to just accept this source. Need more info.

If true it is definitely the last straw. I will not only refuse to support but actively fight against anyone who doesn't stand with Manning and Snowden.

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I call BS...

Nowhere in the entire article does Rand say, "I don't have a lot of sympathy." In fact, the word sympathy doesn't even make an appearance.

Rand is commenting on the difference between how Manning released his information versus how Snowden did it. While I fully support what both of them did, I don't think anyone can argue that current laws weren't broken. If they weren't, we wouldn't be talking about whistelblower protections. To take it further, nowhere in the article did Rand give anything except for his personal opinion. He was never asked about policy or what he thought should happen to either of them.

I, personally, don't expect someone who's attempting to be president in 2016 to go on record saying they fully support someone breaking the law as long as he agrees with their motives. We need to take our ideas off of internet message boards and into the real world. Let's not urge our best chance to make that happen to commit political suicide so we can feel more principled. Why hand the knife to our enemies so we can get stabbed in the back later?

EDIT: At least the non-quote is accurately reflected now. Thanks BMD. The article itself is still very misleading as in the first line it says, "Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets and that Manning put many lives at risk by releasing millions of pages “willy-nilly,” reports DL Magazine." Again, he never said that and many inferences are made as to what Rand meant but little attention is paid to what he actual said. All I can say is read the article for yourself.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

this was from a speech at cato right?

so the video should be available before long. from a quick search i see an outcry from a lot of libertarian websites. this one has gone so far as to withdraw their endorsement.
http://www.thelibertarianclarion.com/post/58708053703

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misquoting Rand

I don't have a lot of of sympathy for what Rand said, but still, he should be quoted accurately. The title of this post includes quotation marks where Rand supposedly said, "I don't have a lot of sympathy...", and then it gives a quote of what Rand actually said. The problem is, at least from the quote, Rand never said this. What he said was, "So I just can't support that".

Ok, what he said was similar, but I think we should be careful about misquoting people, esp. in the title of the thread. And Rand is NOT saying that he didn't have a sympathy for Manning regarding the VERDICT. The quote was made before there was a verdict.

There are enough people out there who distort what Ron and Rand are saying. We should not get involved in this sort of thing.

The way Snowden is linked in w/ this is deceptive

Now the title is restructured to make it seem like Rand Paul is directly commenting on the trail verdict...coming tomorrow?

Robert Wenzel/EPJ are attack dogs against Sen. Paul. Just keep your eyes open to that. Here's a full quote from Paul. And remember, it's not like it's breaking news that Rand Paul is a smart politician. When the Rand-haters (sorry) react to everything that isn't text-book anarchism with, "O, that's the final straw!" It gets pretty laughable - they were never going to support Rand Paul to begin with and many of them didn't even support Ron Paul.

SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): Edward Snowden committed an act of civil disobedience...history has treated people in various fashions. Some people who commit civil disobedience have been treated heroes, some have not.

I think it's an interesting parallel to see, will we treat the head of intelligence who lied in open committee?

How will history treat him and how will history treat the person who was trying to defend the Fourth Amendment?

I think that's still open to be said. I think there do need to be rules, that being said, about people not revealing secrets. And I think the divulging of all kinds of secrets that endanger lives is wrong. But in this case, I think he was divulging a program that I think clearly, there are constitutional questions about and for which the director of Intelligence frankly lied to the U.S. Senate and said, we're not collecting any data on any Americans, when, in fact, they're doing a billion pieces of data every day.

**Remember, Edward Snowden, himself, admits to breaking the law. That's not the issue.

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Thanks for the Rand quote

For those who want to the hear the CNN interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN3ua3z5tkM

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Good post, and a vote up :-)

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It is corrected now.

It seems that may have formerly been the title on the source article as well, judging by the comments at Economic Policy Journal who it appears has also possibly corrected the title.

This is inexcusable

I was critical of Rand before, but now I am done. Eff him.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Yes, this is inexcusable.

Misquoting Rand in order to get his supporters fighting amongst themselves is certainly inexcusable.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

sensationalism much?

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Out of touch

I'm having a hard time supporting Rand. Where are his moral principles again? He has to know the Government admits Bradly Mannings' release of documents did not harm anyone and that he was held in isolation and tortured. WTF Rand!

thankyou for the important,

thankyou for the important, and yet ANOTHER .reminder, of the fiasco that is bradley vs government

I understand you...but look what happened to Dad

when he tried to run as a Republican. Everyone...TBTB and the media marginalized him as "fringe". I think Rand is just learning from watching his dad and realizes that he has to publicly express some more moderate Republican views if he wants any chance in 2016.

If Obama can lie his ass off in 2008, and then put what appears to be his real agenda in place, duping a lot of people (including me), let Rand "fib" a little for 2016. I have more faith that he is more like his Dad than either of them want us to know.

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See, when people say things

See, when people say things like that, "I have faith that.." and then have no substance to back it up I have a hard time in understanding ones view. If Rand's last name wasn't Paul he would've been thrown out of this conversation as a actual freedom movement candidate a long time ago.. He's where he is because of his "fringe" dad. I see a few things I like and whole LOT that I don't like. I wouldn't vote for the guy.