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Not Much Sympathy from Rand Paul on Bradley Manning Verdict

There's terrible news out about Rand Paul and comments he has made about Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden.

At a Cato University event, Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets and that Manning put many lives at risk by releasing millions of pages “willy-nilly,” reports DL Magazine.

“There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. I think if you’ve got the, you know, the plans on how to make a nuclear bomb that is a state secret. If you give that to the enemy, that is being treasonous,” said Rand, “Even if you reveal it, you just have to have laws against that. What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just released millions of pages of things and I think some people have said there is potentially some harm from that. You know individual agents that could have been killed or put at risk from this. So there is a problem with that. So I just can’t support that.”

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http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/08/rand-paul-on-br...



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I appreciate it, thanks!

Also, compared to comments from OTHER political figures calling for Manning's execution for committing "treason" is quite different in tone and severity than simply saying Manning went "willy-nilly" with exposing the documents.

Really? "Willy-Nilly"? Is this really worth getting worked up over or can we all remember how well we've learned that the media is WAS really adept at "character assassination" of political candidates?

C'mon folks, is one "politically controlled" comment from Rand really enough to just wipe out everything he stands for? Have our brains been through one-too-many rinse cycles that we now have the attention span of a Goldfish? Or have we learned enough about this deceptive system and "its workings" to be able to read between the lines of someone who knows better than ANY of us how the system really works on the inside?

Don't go hitting the snooze button just yet and STAY AWAKE!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Rand is not our savior.

Rand is not our savior.

Exactly.

Furthermore, we should be focusing on local/state.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Watch the Source on this (Wenzel)

Robert Wenzel/EPJ are attack dogs against Sen. Paul. Just keep your eyes open to that. Here's a full quote from Paul. And remember, it's not like it's breaking news that Rand Paul is a smart politician. When the Rand-haters (sorry) react to everything that isn't text-book anarchism with, "O, that's the final straw!" It gets pretty laughable - they were never going to support Rand Paul to begin with and many of them didn't even support Ron Paul.

SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): Edward Snowden committed an act of civil disobedience...history has treated people in various fashions. Some people who commit civil disobedience have been treated heroes, some have not.

I think it's an interesting parallel to see, will we treat the head of intelligence who lied in open committee?

How will history treat him and how will history treat the person who was trying to defend the Fourth Amendment?

I think that's still open to be said. I think there do need to be rules, that being said, about people not revealing secrets. And I think the divulging of all kinds of secrets that endanger lives is wrong. But in this case, I think he was divulging a program that I think clearly, there are constitutional questions about and for which the director of Intelligence frankly lied to the U.S. Senate and said, we're not collecting any data on any Americans, when, in fact, they're doing a billion pieces of data every day.

**Remember, Edward Snowden, himself, admits to breaking the law. That's not the issue.

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Wenzel does seem to have it

Wenzel does seem to have it out for Rand, everytime I check out EPJ it's always something negative it seems...

So that means Wenzel made up this quote from Rand?

Why not address the actual thing Rand said rather than attack the person who reported on it? I'm not a Rand hater. I'd be a Rand lover if he didn't come out and say things like this.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Main beef is how Wenzel loops in Snowden on this

Sorry, I am at work lol! Notice how Wenzel cleverly makes a blanket statment looping in Bradley Manning with Snowden and implying that Rand Paul sees them in the exact same light. To Wenzel's credit, he does provide a quote later on, but how many people read content past the first few sentences these days? I run a website and I have statistics on it---very, very few.

"...in fact, in some ways the Snowden case is a little bit different,” said Paul, “But even with the Snowden case, I still think you have to have laws against what he did. So he did break the law.”

The full context of this needs to include that Rand Paul believes he is committing civil disobedience. If you give the context, I'm guessing that Snowden, himself, would agree with him. No one is denying that Snowden broke the law.

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In the battle which hill do you want to die on?

And then there is this: Would you rather stake your claim on defending personalities that are changeable in reality and in perception...or do you want to defend principles. For every quote that we might not like--often regarding details or personalities, we can also find 7 more like this:

"Rand Paul: NSA Spying 'Unconstitutional,' Can't Be Saved By More Oversight"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/18/rand-paul-nsa_n_377...

This is the best way to look at the 'pick your battles' argument.

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Rand Paul drones will start posting and downvoting in..3...2...1

Rand Paul is an enigma. One day he wants to be the next Ron Paul, the next day he wants to be the next Lindsey Graham.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Imagine voting "yes" on a 20,000 page bill.

You know the congressman didn't read it because nobody could. You can't really say that he knew what was in it and supported it because it was all good stuff. Just like congress, Bradley Manning couldn't have possibly known all the information he was leaking. Snowden looks like he was much more careful. Manning, by shear volume of documentation, does seem reckless. In that capacity, saying "I can't support that" just doesn't seem out of line for Rand.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Ron Paul

has called bradley manning a true patriot and more deserving of the nobel peace
prize that obama.

Ron Paul doesnt

have to win anymore elections.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

tog2476

That is a horrible thing to say. So it is ok to berate others in a quest for success.

Btw, I gave you the down vote.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

and you know

he wouldn't change his principles to do so.

the presidential election is so rigged it's laughable.

"This is an intellectual revolution"
-Ron Paul

spread the message not the lies.

truth is, EVERYONE is more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize

than Obama.

Obama should have gotten the Nobel War Prize....

Or, then again maybe the Nobel Peace Prize is another Orwellian double speak label at which point it would make sense.

A funny song just came to mind

it goes like this

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong...........

I will provide a link

to the same source:

Jayel Aheram, blogger for Young Americans for Liberty, said that he was "disappointed" that Sen. Rand Paul chose repeat the lie that Manning’s release and Wikileaks’ publication of the diplomatic cables harmed people. Brig. General Robert Carr, the man who was in charge of the Pentagon’s review of the leaks, admitted during Manning’s trial that no one was killed or harmed by the release of the cables."

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/08/rand-paul-on-br...

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

thanks..

I admit.. I got the link from you. Just trying to do two things at the same time. :)

All credit goes to you bro!

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

P.

We are all in this together :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

posted this in response..

to the crap thread with expletives and no link. I fucking cuss too.. but I always back up whatever Im angry about with a link.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul