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(Updated) Bradley Manning Sentenced: 35 Years—Will seek pardon from Obama


REUTERS/Gary Cameron

RT.com:

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UPDATE:

Manning to ask Obama for pardon, [ready to] pay ‘high price’ if not granted

Bradley Manning’s defense team will file a pardon request to US president Barack Obama early next week, or will ask to commute the Private’s sentence.

“Early next week I will file a request to the President for the pardon of Private Manning, or at least [ask to] commute his sentence,” Manning’s lead attorney, David Coombs, said during a Wednesday news conference.

http://rt.com/usa/bradley-manning-obama-pardon-805/

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A US military judge has sentenced Army Pfc. Bradley Manning to 35 years in prison. Manning faced up to 90 years behind bars, while prosecutors sought to put the whistleblower away for a minimum of six decades.

Manning will be credited with the 1,294 days he spent in pre-trial confinement plus an additional 112 days. He was also dishonorably discharged, saw a reduction in rank and was forced to forfeit all pay and benefits. No additional fine, however, were levied against him.

Col. Denise Lind, who on Tuesday began her deliberations in the court-martial case, said she would announce the first sentence for Manning on Wednesday at 10am local time (14:00 GMT). Wednesday’s sentence will be for the army private’s disclosure of classified information through the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.

http://rt.com/usa/manning-sentence-years-jail-785/

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He Should Send Copy To Biden

...in the event the boss gets himself impe@ched.

Nelson Madela spent 27 years in a South Africa prison

"Chelsea Manning for President - 2052"

2052 could be battle of the Chelseas

manning vs clinton. Hmmm. Know whats interesting about the constitution-- it doesnt specify the gender or sex of the president. it says 'person'.

Smart move of Bradley

The thing is... Obama will be instructed to reject this request by his advisers. But his rejection itself gives puts him very visibly in the pro-war (-crimes) camp.

A patriot needing to ask for clemency from a criminal + traitor

With every passing day I become more ashamed to be an American.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

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I know. Mind boggling.

I know. Mind boggling.

This world is upside down. AGAIN.

http://www.dailypaul.com/292933

Who needs to watch a movie like Idiocracy, any longer?

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Elect Ron Paul

president and he will be pardoned.

Bump

Ok, so apparently nobody wants to pull their fingers out of their ears, so I'm bumping this comment. It has been said that Manning exposed crimes because the wars are "illegal." I say BS. Paste below.

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I love how people vote down my comments but things are suspiciously quiet. Pretty simple guys. You say the war is "illegal." Ok, where's your proof? Congress authorized military action in Afghanistan with SJ Resolution 23. The only "nay" vote was Barbara Lee. Ron Paul voted Yes! Iraq was authorized with HJ Resolution 114. There were quite a few nay votes to this one, but it nonetheless passed.

Congress authorized both wars - period.

Some of you would then say, "they didn't declare war." Uh huh, well what does that mean? Congress authorized the war, is that not a declaration? Oh, you don't like the format of the declaration? Ok, well perhaps you can show me where the Constitution specifies a particular format? Yeah, it doesn't. Moreover, what is the historical precedent? There were TWO, that's right, 2, wars fought against the Barbary Pirates. The first war was led by Thomas Jefferson, the second by James Madison. So right here we've got the author of the Declaration of Independence and the author of the Constitution both declaring war and sending men off to a foreign land to fight and kill people. So did Congress declare war in either of these cases? Nope, Congress didn't, the president did. There was no "declaration of war" in any particular format voted on by Congress. Congress didn't vote on it at all actually, in both cases the President acted unilaterally. So in that sense, Bush actually went further than he needed to. With regards to Afghanistan, he didn't need Congress' permission to start a war. Despite this, he got Congress' permission.

Constitutionally, you have no argument.

Disagree with the war all you want, but do it intelligently. When you call the war "illegal" and soldiers "murders" you make a fool of yourself and scare people who otherwise agree with you off - like me. I would stand right next to you in the booth and vote to bring all the troops home today. But because of what you say, I want nothing to do with you and this is why Ron Paul lost, because he surrounded himself with nut jobs.

You know there's such a thing as

War Crimes, independent of the war being a declared one or not, constitutional or not? War crimes by the US troops is part of the revelations by Bradley Manning...

So ya, like the poster below me said, you could have saved some typing time and I'm glad that you want nothing to do with "us", come back when you're better informed XD

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

What does this mean? So you

What does this mean? So you concede that the wars are legal and constitutional?

I concede nothing as

the legality of the war isn't even the argument. Iraq was approved by congress -with the aid of lies and fallacies- and Afghanistan is border line constitutional as the congressional authorization wasn't to nation build but again, it isn't even the point and has absolutely nothing to do with what Bradley Manning revealed.

What your shallow position fails to understand is that legality =/= morality. Manning revealed war crimes committed by US troops in Iraq and torture of detainees YET your outrage is that he broke the law lol: you don't demand accountability from the government for those war crimes but want Manning to rot in prison for exposing the crimes. Your position isn't moral and is hypocritical.

As I said, I'm so glad you want nothing to do with this movement because, as Ron Paul has mentioned many many times:

"It's an intellectual revolution' and "You cannot legislate morality", that is obvious from Bradley Manning's case, where your concern is about the triviality of him breaking the law instead of the break down of America's moral fiber which his revelations highlight.

So continue spinning your little hamster wheel trying to vote yourself out of that lack of morality, assuming it isn't rigged which it obviously is, I'd rather use persuasion which is the only way to change the way of thinking of individual Americans and, ultimately, the only real way to EVOLVE for the better.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

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Just FYI, only the subject line of your comment makes most sense

Just FYI, only the subject line of your comment makes most sense.

You wrote earlier "[Bradley Manning] got what he deserved" and now this.

Your point must be in some other galaxy far, far away?

You could have saved some typing, IMO.

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Rgr that, so the war is

Rgr that, so the war is legal. You concede, thanks.

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Yes, of course. As a frenchman, I can only be a coward

Yes, of course. As a frenchman, I can only be a coward begging for retreat.

Retreat from... what... exactly?

Oh, that, never mind.

(Edit)
Is in reply to:

http://www.dailypaul.com/296505#comment-3176531

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Come now, have a sense of

Come now, have a sense of humor.

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Hilarious.

Hilarious.

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Knock, knock. Hello, anyone up there?

The guy who got 35 years of prison for denouncing the atrocities done on civilians by US forces in ever spreading nonsensical wars and bringing to light for the american people evidences of those difficult to only read or watch...

... is the same guy you said "got what he deserved".

Mind you.

Knock, knock. Hello, anyone up there?

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Please take freshman-level

Please take freshman-level English writing class. Ask the professor about run-on sentences and how to avoid them. It would make things a lot easier.

You can keep repeating yourself, but you still haven't provided one iota of proof backing up your statements about Manning. Not even one. Pick just one, name ONE, 1, uno, criminal act that Manning exposed.

MAD

what has you SO FUCKING UPSET?

The fact that it is being exposed that America has been taken over and people realize the farce?

I have to give it to you. You woke up from the dead over this one.

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/59043

And are going full tilt boogie!

Not upset, this is how I

Not upset, this is how I respond to a zillion arrogant people without the capacity to think. You'll notice I used a lot of words at first, nobody read them, so it will inevitably reduce to name calling.

I get that you guys have been evangelized, but you're just wrong. You are truly brainwashed and the reality you perceive isn't reality. Do yourself a favor and talk to someone who's actually been there. Or even better, go over there yourself. You have the attitudes of rebellious teenagers and nobody is taking you seriously.

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now,that's rich

telling a french man to take an english writing course
then ask for proof about manning,when at the same you have shown nothing
not a dot dash or tittle,but sit and harp and call names
you SIR,are a dull tool,and no amount of sharpening will change that
have a nice posting day

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

French? Well that explains a

French? Well that explains a lot. A frenchman retreating, you don't say?

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Maybe consider getting a vision check up, too, btw.

Maybe consider getting a vision check up, too, btw.

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Ok. And while I take English classes, you take classes in logics

Okay. And while I take English classes, you take classes in logics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Deal?

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Did you really just send me a

Did you really just send me a link to the video selectively edited by Julian Assange? And you do this while talking about "logic"? *sigh* Some can only be convinced by a 2x4 to the face.

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Look up the video in which Bezmenov was talking about you.

Tired of Assange's name? Me too, at times.

Here's an idea: look up Yuri Bezmenov.

He was interviewed to talk about you, among other relevant topics.

And there's no editing to fear about, in that video.

Filmed 20+ years ago.

How freaking cool is that, now?

Au revoir!

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Yep, I'm a disinformation

Yep, I'm a disinformation agent. You got me. Where's that logic you were talking about in your last post?

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"To each their own."

"To each their own."

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G072

Find yours, some day.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

If you have something to say,

If you have something to say, why not just say it?

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Let me refresh your memory.

Let me refresh your memory.

Look at what was my very first comment in this thread, in reply to one of yours (which I would disagree with, to say the least):

http://www.dailypaul.com/296505#comment-3175419

Next... have a look at what you directly replied with:

http://www.dailypaul.com/296505#comment-3175510

And now you are the one trying to get me started on the idea of "one able to say things by oneself" just because I quoted Bastiat?

Yeah, right.

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Clue: don't bother replying.

Farewell,

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius