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Manning Wants To Do His Time As "Chelsea E. Manning."

We Get a Hero for Liberty and He's a Target for Scorn on a Personal Issue!

FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) — Bradley Manning plans to live as a woman named Chelsea and wants to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible, the soldier said Thursday, a day after being sentenced to 35 years in prison for sending classified material to WikiLeaks.

Manning announced the decision in a written statement provided to NBC's "Today" show, asking supporters to refer to him by his new name and the feminine pronoun. The statement was signed "Chelsea E. Manning."

"As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning. I am a female. Given the way that I feel, and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible," the statement read.

Manning's defense attorney David Coombs told "Today" in an interview that he is hoping officials at the military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan., will accommodate Manning's request for hormone therapy.

"If Fort Leavenworth does not, then I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure they are forced to do so," Coombs said.

Coombs did not respond to phone and email messages from The Associated Press on Thursday.

Manning's struggle with gender identity disorder — the sense of being a woman trapped in a man's body — was key to the defense.

Attorneys had presented evidence of Manning's struggle with gender identity, including a photo of the soldier in a blond wig and lipstick sent to a therapist.
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130822/U...




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The guy deserves happiness

Good luck to him he has given up his life to contribute to our freedom.

Pass around the hat I will chip in towards his transformation.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Cyril's picture

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.

And what did I write again, like, ya know, only a few days before this all surfaces eventually in the "neehooze", and as oh! sooooooo important now (including for the Rolling Stone magazine, apparently)?

http://www.dailypaul.com/147676#comment-3174514

Oh. Never mind.

I'm just your bitttttttter DP dude who can only keep repeating himself about a tiny little bigger "peekture".

Bitter. And tired.

Good night.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Calm Down Cyril

The root of DP will never go away. And people standing up have exposed quite a lot.

I have NO faith in people like The Granger because people like her have nothing but political intent.

But I DO have a lot of faith in people that are standing up for their rights as they are taken away.

The Baby Boomers are going to be SHOCKED when they have to wake up.

America is already being declared Martial law by people like Lawman.

It's all about fake money! How could America fall to another country and allow itself to be 'invaded'?

By issuing fake money and massive propaganda. Getting people like Mad23, Lawman, and I dare say Granger trying to change the freedom concept from Americans minds.

IF it doesn't follow the Golden Rule with ME, it doesn't fly.

Sorry (((GRANGER)))

Your shit doesn't fly no matter what songs you post.

No problem base

May the Golden Rule Live Long and prosper

I still think yer cute...

.......sugerplumbs and blessingdrops..

How to tell if a panda's been eyeballin' your woman - next Focus on Pandas

Granger, the Golden Rule was here very long before you,

and will be here very long after you are a speck of dust.

Your small lifetime is just what you do with it with respect to the Golden Rule. It judges YOU, not the other way around.

I find that refreshing base

How wonderfully refreshing to think the golden rule will prevail despite the world of illusion.

My small speck of a speck of life is all I've got and I'm going to make the best with the tools available in the society I reside.

I judge the illusion, take responsibility for my judgements, and pray for God's mercy and grace when my speck ceases to exist.

Quite telling

The 'secrets' exposed by Manning aren't discussed about the harm done by a government that thrives on deception, destroying Constitutional Law.

I note that Mad23 was the first that posted the story here on DP. With remarks from other 'members' that have diminished the results of others that simply point out what they know.

I don't know about Bradly at all personally, but I DO KNOW he pointed out truth, truth that evil wants to hide.

When deciding about what to believe, I always side with the Golden Rule.

I am ashamed of some of you...

Manning being a transgender woman, and asking to be referred as to as she feels is in no way evidence of psychological damage, brainwashing, or anything else other than a woman and a hero expressing her individual liberty and right to self govern and self define.

Manning owns herself, and owns her own identity. This is the liberty movement.

Some of the comments here are shameful and completely counter to the entire concept of liberty and self ownership that this site and movement is all about.

I would expect this kind of thing from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reily, but not here.

I am disgusted by some of the comments here

and the rush to pile on with this shallow MSM narrative. Focusing on his gender issue is just what the system wants you to do. Never mind the fact that Bradly Manning courageously revealed the monstrous reality of some of the War Crimes that are being committed. So now we have not just one but two posts with this juvenile, shallow, shameful focus on the statement of gender identity.

Here is an article I hope some here will read in full and contemplate:
Dissent, Disappointment and Draconian Rule: Bradley Manning's Plea and The Fight to be Human
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-lates...
" The importance of these 'whistleblower' cases has nothing to do with the personalities involved. Julian Assange, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden: it doesn't matter what kind of people they are, if you think they are 'heroes' or 'bad people,' if you'd 'like to have a beer with them' or would run a mile if you saw them coming. What matters is what they have done; what matters are the fragments of truth they have made available. If the sexual charges against Assange turned out to be true, it would have no bearing whatsoever on the importance of what Wikileaks has accomplished, the fissures it has made in the bristling walls of deceit that our brutal, stupid and venal elites around the world have erected to hide their misdeeds. The same goes for Snowden, Manning, or anyone else whose actions have made similar fissures.

It's always a great temptation to succumb to the cult of celebrity, of course, to live vicariously through the snippets we happen to read here and there about some famous person, to see them as "heroes" who live out the courage or accomplishments or glamor that we can only dream of, and so on. And that's fine for a flip-through of People magazine in the check-out line. But this is serious business. The actions of these whistleblowers involve taking on the power of corrupt and murderous state structures that can and will destroy individual lives and entire nations -- structures that are wildly out of control and are devouring the very substance of human society. Actions that put a spoke of truth in the wheels of this monstrous machine are of incalculable importance. The 'character' of those who put in the spokes is of vastly minor importance.

Second point: I invite any critic of Bradley Manning's mitigation plea to stand in his shoes for two seconds and show us how 'tough' they would be. Manning is facing a lifetime of penal servitude in a system that has already tortured him, battered him, humiliated him, abused him. He is facing the prospect of spending decades -- decades -- in a system run by people who demonstrably despise him. He will be housed with people -- and more importantly, guarded by people -- who hate 'traitors' and 'queers' and 'weirdos' and 'sissies' with a violent, virulent hatred. This is what he faces: years and years and years of it. What are you facing? If I were Bradley Manning and facing a life like that, I'm sure I’d proclaim my 'repentance' too. I'd apologize, I'd weep, I'd throw myself on the mercy of the court, if it meant I had the chance to cut some time from my sentence in hell. Does anyone really believe, even for a moment, that a blazing statement of political principle would have somehow moved the judge – the same judge who has made a relentless series of rulings cramping Manning’s defense at every turn, and ensuring that the trial was a ludicrous, sinister sham which never addressed – and was designed not to address – the substance of Manning’s action and the crimes that he revealed? What good, then, would be an empty effusion whose only purpose would be to make all of us sitting safely behind our keyboards feel all wiggly for a moment or two? "

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-lates...

Not focusing.

Pointing out a central tenant of liberty on a site about liberty.

I am aware of the correct focus. Making a post about a tertiary issue does not imply to the contrary. And making a point for a central liberty principles is not juvenile.

Also, many more threads and comments on this site are concerning the focus that you suggest, so I'm not sure what your issue is at all. A tertiary subject is getting tertiary level discussion. That is logical and normal.

thank you, you made my day

Hopefully at least some will take this to heart.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Free Bradley Manning!

What a great ploy for the far-left to eat up. No matter, whatever works.

What an a--ss his

court-appointed attorney is.

Let's have some compassion, people.

I obviously have no qualms about joking about most subjects, but it just rubs me the wrong way here. I can't pretend to understand gender identity disorder (or whatever you want to call it), but it's obviously a real thing and something Bradley/Chelsea has had to struggle with for years. I can't even imagine having to deal with something like that. I hope Bradley/Chelsea finds peace eventually and is allowed to become the person that he/she wants to be.

Furthermore, this does not in any way diminish the heroic acts that Bradley/Chelsea undertook to expose the war crimes of the US military.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

+ 1000 Thank you!

Furthermore Manning has endured torture for years while in custody and is facing a brutal sentence with more of the same.

Dissent Disappointment and Draconian Rule
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-lates...

also read about Lawrence Hutchins and the differnce in sentencing:

"All Sgt. Hutchins did was lead his team on a night raid against a private home in the Iraqi town of Hamdania. All he and his team did was break into the house, grab an innocent retired policeman named Hashim Ibrahim Awad, drag him down the road to the site of a IED attack, tie him up, shoot him dead in cold blood, then dump his body in the IED hole, remove the plastic restraints, and leave a stolen AK-47 rifle next to the corpse to pretend Awad was a terrorist who had been killed in a firefight. That's all Hutchins did. Oh yes, that, and have his men shoot Awad repeatedly in the face, in the hope of obliterating his identity. But family members recognized the body and demanded justice from their American military occupiers.

Then came the real crime, the misdeed that would later lead the Court of Appeals of the Armed Forces of the United States to carry out its humanitarian intervention and set Hutchins free. As AP reports, Hutchins was arrested by the military brass and held "in solitary confinement without access to a lawyer for seven days during his 2006 interrogation in Iraq." Thus Hutchins -- who was facing a term of 11 whole years for kidnapping an innocent man, shooting him in the face then covering up the crime -- was released from custody last month by the Court of Appeals, which cited the six-day spell in solitary as the basis for overturning his conviction.
Soft Machine: A Bright Ray of Hope for Bradly Manning
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-lates...

In my book she definitely deserves her punishment.

Me too. Me too. Punish me! Send me to ladies prison for 35 years.

Debbie's picture

Wow, and they used this as part of the defense?

Really?

Debbie

Well I don't mind admitting

that I got suckered by this.
It only confirms my belief that wikileaks is a CIA controlled front.
If you want to live in America, and stay the same sex, don't spill your guts to Julian Assanges' Wiki.

Jill I'm not sure where you say you were suckered in.

You have been an advocate that everything that brings discussion to what is being done by 'government' is done by a 'plant' by the CIA.

What are you trying to PROTECT? when doing so???

Don't quite follow your reasoning on this.

Rather than trying to protect anything, I am trying to get people to look into the back ground of who is in the news, and the people behind the "personalities".
Regardless of the outcome of Bradley Manning's life, I still think what he did was a brave stance, same goes with Edward Snowden. And I used to think the same of Julian Assange...but now I don't.
Through reading and research I have come to the conclusion that Wikileaks
is a front, designed to capture and censor any genuine leaks, and to create Media as and when needed.
Because the CIA is in control of the Military Industrial Complex, who are in turn, in bed with Global Banking, forming an unholy threesome with the United Nations nearly everything Global ties back to those three entities.QE (put what ever number you like) War in the middle East and else where. UN Agenda 21.
I may well be wrong, but joining the dots shows that the CIA is your government.
Start your research with George H Bush, and then the Carlyle Group,
that will take you on to Big Oil, Big Phama, Big Military, Big Security, Big Contracting, Big Food. But most importantly Big CIA and it's huge expansion in Geo politics and power.
Before you dismiss this out of hand, Please answer this question.
Why is taxpayer funded military guarding the poppy fields of Afghanistan, and who profits from that?

Jillian assange

Jillian and wikileaks as controlled opposition.

My mind is officially blown. Cannot believe that never crossed my mind.

Ugh. If he's guilty of

Ugh. If he's guilty of treason, hang him and be done with it. If he's not, set him free. In neither case should anyone be paying a surgeon to mutilate his genitals or calling him Chelsea or Breanna.

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

Master Pretzel Twister
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BILL

I think are exposing the true value of DP here.

Posting this is either that of ignorance on intentional deception.

However, I do concur with your final sentence?
"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad."

You own it now. ;)

Women and Loyalty

Women (in general) are known for being able to multi-task. They also seem to have multi-loyalties. I believe this is why, in loyalty-based organizations (e.g., military, para-military, unions, emergency response, FBI), it often happens that women are the whistle-blowers.

The ability to multi-task and have multiple loyalties is clearly necessary to the survival of the species: being able to keep tabs on multiple children and a man, while cooking, is an important task if they are to survive a sabre-tooth attack, food poisoning, and accidents.

Men (in general, especially in combat (or hunting), don't like it when someone blows the whistle, but women see blowing the whistle as loyalty toward the bigger family.

This is probably why there are fewer women in politics (who cares about team sports?), and why some men are so blind to the damage they do. But it's also the reason we need more women in politics: world peace won't happen without us.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

was this satire?

was this satire?

Master Pretzel Twister
https://twitter.com/MenckensGhost

wolfe's picture

It has been my personal experience....

that women are indeed capable of holding multiple and directly conflicting loyalties to the extent of unacceptable behavior.

roflmao. Sorry, it was just a joke IMissLiberty and any other women reading this.

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This is incredible breaking news!

Anyone notice that this is on the front page of nearly all msm media news websites? The first story on some. CNN, Foxnews, MSNBC, Huffpost, Drudge, Yahoo, etc. They even included a picture to emphasize that Manning is very serious about doing this. Wow what a sensational story!

Meanwhile, I don't think the actual trial got this type of media coverage more than a few times. And when it did, it was to scrutinize Manning for the terrible treasonous deeds he had supposedly committed.

I'm not surprised, but it seems they TMZ'd these "major" news sources today when their job all along should have been to be covering the crap that people like Manning and Snowden have had to reveal, and expose government atrocities that were occurring behind our backs.

He obviously is chemically and/or psychologically damaged.

I have no doubt that he suffered some psychological damage due to his imprisonment. However, he was already discussing having a sex reassignment surgery in November of 2009. Therefore, I doubt his imprisonment had anything to do with this decision.

My only question would be..

in what way would Combs force the government to pay for Manning's hormone treatment? That's an uphill battle, if there ever was one. If someone opts to pay for it and he is allowed to take it in prison, it's whatever, but to say that the government should be on the hook for something voluntary is kinda crazy. *shrugs* More power to Manning though.