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Thoughts on Nidal Hasan

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/23/nidal-h...

Nidal Hasan found guilty in Ft Hood killings.

DP loves to talk about Manning's verdict, I'm just curious to get a sampling of what DPers think about Nidal Hasan. Should he be put to death? Life in prison? If it were up to you, what would you do with him? Do you consider him a homegrown terrorist or the purveyor of workforce violence?




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Support these troops?

Hasan, Bales, Calley.

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My opinion? He didn't do it!

The original 9-1-1 calls from military personnel at the base described multiple shooters on rooftops. Those recordings apparently "disappeared" and Hassan has be "Lee Harvey-d" in this. It's my opinion that the CIA killed all these people, framed Hassan, all in an effort to perpetuate the fear of Muslims ...to sell the perpetual war. Immediately after the shootings, there was TOTAL SILENCE from everyone for 7 or 8 days!! No witnesses on local TV, not a peep from official statements...nothing. My guess is, they were getting everyone there on the same BS story. To me, the whole thing stinks and just isn't what we're being told...just like Hasting's auto "accident", too many things don't add up.

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Great, even this is a

Great, even this is a conspiracy? I should have guessed.

But he admitted it.

He admitted to it in court. I imagine that there are ways to induce an admission of guilt from the defendant even if he's innocent via blackmail but you'll have to prove that and there's no evidence of it. He's guilty in all probabilities.

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I'm in the CIA and I can

I'm in the CIA and I can assure you this didn't happen.

LOL. Excellent.

Just as so many here have believed -- they'll be so glad to have confirmation.

Hm, I suppose it could be true, which would make it even funnier. :)

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

behead?

behead?

Public hanging?

Military law - so it might very well be. Besides the guy did commit treason imo.

Only time will tell.

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Some of the commenters focus on religion...

That's not a correct way to view it. He claimed to be acting as an enemy soldier (when his stated motive was to save Taliban lives, etc).

By his own admission he was then acting as an enemy combatant, under our current laws, would be subject to POW treatment.

I, however, dislike using motivation as a rationale for punishment. He is a mass murderer, and should be treated accordingly.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, I am opposed to that on general principle without regard to this specific case.

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Terrorist

My opinion, he's absolutely a terrorist. What he did was religiously motivated. I'd execute him by firing squad. If nobody claimed his body I'd burn it and toss the ashes into the nearest trash can.

My opinion is that he deserves life in prison,

I don't believe in the death penalty even for this and because he would become a martyr motivating more of them.

Most importantly, what would you do to prevent future terrorist acts, what are the root causes of it?

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I don't see how executing him

I don't see how executing him would make him a martyr inspiring others. That part was already done. Generally-speaking I don't agree with the death penalty because so many mistakes have been made. And we've become so litigious it's just not cost effective, spending millions and millions on all the appeals and such dragging things on for decades before it finally happens.

Morally though, I have no issue with the death penalty. And to me it is appropriate in certain circumstances. In the case of Hasan his crime was so grievous and so public, I think the symbolism of executing him is appropriate. The victims and their families deserve it.

I can only justify killing someone for

an act of self defense. An execution isn't self defense. I can empathize with the feelings of some of those family members wanting Hasan to be executed but it's a vendetta, an act of revenge none the less. Him being dead won't bring their loved ones back and there's no possible justice for this situation: even if he's executed it still isn't justice for the act. The terrorist's actions were also a vendetta and perpetuation of it won't stop the cycle of not only violence but of that pervasive way of thinking.

At one point, and only if there is real desire to stop this cycle, one of the parties has to act like an adult. IMO the US policies and military actions have been the aggressors and acted as a catalyst for this particular cycle of violence for the most part. But I also believe that we can achieve the necessary maturity, as a society, to act as the adults before they do and we'll both benefit greatly and EVOLVE our way of thinking.

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The argument could be made

The argument could be made that an execution is self defense. In the sense of deterrence. But also because keeping that person alive represents a potential threat. There is the possibility the person could escape. And there is also risk to the prison workers who have to guard the inmate. A hannibal lector type person. If you're having to put a mask and straight jacked on someone and roll them around on a dolly just to transport them safely, something is definitely wrong. Personally, I wouldn't waste the state's money on that nonsense. A separate subject but I actually really like the idea of prison islands. It seems like it would be so much cheaper to just fly inmates off to the island and kick them out the plane with a parachute on. And most inmates would probably prefer that freedom too. Sure, there would be wars, and they'd kill each other, but do I really care? The point is that if you cross certain lines you aren't allowed to exist in our society anymore.