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Globalists Conspiracy for a NWO

2:24:0+ video, featuring Alex Jones, Gerald Celeste, Peter Shift, Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, many many more people who you many be familiar with explaning how and why global government is eliminating the constitution and installing a NWO.

Rockefeller Central banking, not Rothchild crown banking.

I think there are many here who need to see this because they are confused.. they are watching YouTubes that sound good, but are red herrings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDe22UD2ge0

This video sums up where I'm at politically and why I'm in the GOP, as you will hear them tell you, why you need to get involved, IF you want to restore the Republic.

If you are a globalist, please downvote this post.

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Granger?

I posted in support of letting you back, The content and timing of my post may very well have played a big part in Michael's decision. But I have to be honest. When I see comments like this "I think there are many here who need to see this because they are confused" I am turned away and will probably disregard the post no matter who posted it.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

TY

I think I need to elaborate on short sentances as the one you refered, ATruepatriot.

I had only begun my research about that topic a few months ago because I became interested why Ron Paul would say it was our friend. That led to unexpected discoveries that did not come from a script, and difficult to explain. That's where the time off helped me come to terms with what became a passion that is not shared by many here.

If the timing and content of your post is what gave me the honor to return to DP, THANK YOU (((((((ATruepatriot))))))). Thank you very much.

Actually I said...

"may very well have played a big part in Michael's decision". I did not "Assume" it was mine that did it. I am stating that along with the efforts of many at that very same time I would be honored with the thought that mine "may have" played a part in his decision. Very shortly after your name was back on the board.

In the statement you made that I referred to above, you "Assumed" we were "Confused", This statement will be understood as condescending and judgmental concerning the intelligence of others. It displays an Ego and a superiority of intelligence. I think that I may not be the only one that stopped reading the post after reading that one line.

Point is "Elaboration" is not the problem but tact and giving others the benefit of doubt without "assuming" inferior intellect of others could go a long way towards restoring your credibility. You broke the first rule in salesmanship and blew the sale.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

That could be true

If you played a part, I appreciate it. Thank you.

And yes, I assumed some the innocents of confusion.

Because I have not been trying to sell anything, but simply share what I have been learning, I definately make a poor salesman.

During my break, and continuing my research, I came to an understanding of what I am looking at, in a way that makes semse to me.. "Seek and you shall find".. what others seek is what they share, and what I have been seeking, is not what the majority here are interested. I didn't know. Now I do know. Now that I know, I feel/ hope, that we can all move ahead following our passions.

Give you an example, while I don't follow the 911 issue, I don't feel a need to bash any thread.. so it's the same for me, while I may not agree with some perspectives, I don't feel a need to attack or defend. Just live and let live.

I guess if I had a script and was being paid to sell info it would be one thing, but the real truth is, I didn't know.. I simply shared what I was learning, not as a teacher, but a novice.

Maybe the best news here is, I'm not selling anything, so I'm ok with a no sale. Anyways, thank you again for the vote of support.

Which bankers? Doesn't matter. Their all the same.

The Rockefellers enjoyed the patronage of the Rothschilds when they began Standard Oil, then again when they built CityBank. Thw Rothschilds were always behind the establishment of a central bank within the US. The First Bank of the US wS just such a bank. When there was the threat that its charter wouldn't get renewed in 1812 the Rothschilds, by means of the Crown of England, came to DC and burned down the White House.

See my low traffic post on the subject of War in the Middle East here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/298139/the-object-of-the-wars-in-th...

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

The Rothchilds didn't fund the Frist Bank of United States

As a matter of fact the bank had trouble raising the initial capital to start the bank and Robert Morris embezzled it…. This comes straight from Ron Paul’s book "A Case for Gold"

Three days after he become Superintendent of Finance, Morris submitted a plan to establish a central bank. A year later, in 1782, The Bank of North America was born, with Morris at the helm.

The Bank was the first fractional-reserve commercial bank in the United States, as well as a privately-owned central bank, on the model of the Bank of England. It was granted a monopoly license to issue paper money. In exchange for this monopoly, the Bank would, as Paul and Lehrman describe, "graciously lend most of its newly-created money to the federal government to purchase public debt and be reimbursed by the hapless taxpayer." And lend it did: $12 million to the Congress, which was also headed by Robert Morris.

At first, Morris was unable to raise the required amount of specie capital to start the Bank. Then,according to Paul and Lehrman, "in an act tantamount to embezzlement, [Morris] simply appropriated specie loaned to the U.S. by France and invested it for the government in his own Bank." This was typical of Morris's actions during the war.

http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=261

The New World Order is plaing "both sides" to start WW3 & NWO

My opinion is that this entire scenario being played out between East & West is exactly what the NWO designed. "Both sides", "East vs. West", is really just an illusion put forth by the NWO to start WW3 as a means to an end. The end being Global Government, aka the NWO. They control "both sides" at the top.

There is more going on here than just countries fighting countries over who controls currency and oil. There are the globalists, and they are GLOBAL! They are in China & Russia too, and they meet with Obama & Hillary Clinton & at the UN, Bilderberg, etc., and have made their plans.

Remember when Obama met with Medyedev, and Obama whispered to him about how he would have more leeway after the rigged election, and to relay that message to Vladimir Putin? Remember when Obama met with Chinese President in Santa Monica, the same day as that shooting rampage? Before that Obama sent 70% of bailed-out GM to China, and now China is buying up Detroit. These guys have been plotting together for years. This is their big plan. Institute global government via the threat of WW3 and "the bomb".

The globalists are transitioning from a "Free-Society" model of enslaving the people, by keeping happy slaves, back to a system that allows for greater control.

The illusion of 'freedom' kept the people complacent, but the problem is the Elites have to keep up that illusion. And as freedom spreads, even a small amount of it, people get smarter, and it gets harder to cast illusions. We've reached the tipping point. The jig is up. Authoritarian Collectivism, total control, is the final solution for the global elite.

They now have pharmaceuticals to keep us asleep, mass mind control techniques and technologies to brainwash us, & will soon have robots to do their work for them. They don't need a "Free" society to keep their slaves complacent anymore. They can return to ruling with absolute power.

China, with Russia as her main ally will be passed the torch and the USA is being scrapped and sold for parts. US wealth is being transferred to China. The global elite are down with this. Obama is down with this. China & Russia can lead a global totalitarian state, with their histories and traditions. America, meaning the American people, would never enforce the NWO, knowingly. So our government is selling us down the road, without our consent. This is happening right now.

The goal here for the elite is to start WWIII. Population control. Too many slaves to manage. They'll have efficient robots soon. They can completely control a smaller population easily. WWIII is used to shrink the population and bring forth global government. The NWO nightmare is a real possibility.

Alex Jones agrees:

(28:45-33:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gva...

Israel is not the real bad guy here, the NWO is. They have factions in all major nations including Israel, but are not allies to the peoples of any nation.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Lawman….man you disappointed me

…..man I thought you were not one of these guy. Alex Jones is an idiot. Do you know who his mentor is.......oh man he takes it to a whole new level.

Icke was a BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when in 1990 a psychic told him that he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose, and that the spirit world was going to pass messages to him. In March 1991 he held a press conference to announce that he was a "Son of the Godhead" – a phrase he said later the media had misunderstood – and the following month told the BBC's Terry Wogan show that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. He said the show changed his life, turning him from a respected household name into someone who was laughed at whenever he appeared in public.
He continued nevertheless to develop his ideas, and in four books published over seven years – The Robots' Rebellion (1994), And the Truth Shall Set You Free (1995), The Biggest Secret (1999), and Children of the Matrix (2001) – set out a worldview that combined New-Age spiritualism with a denunciation of totalitarian trends in the modern world. At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian.

…..man I thought you were not one of these guy. Alex jones is an idiot. Do you know who his mentor this guy.
Icke was a BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when in 1990 a psychic told him that he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose, and that the spirit world was going to pass messages to him. In March 1991 he held a press conference to announce that he was a "Son of the Godhead" – a phrase he said later the media had misunderstood – and the following month told the BBC's Terry Wogan show that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. He said the show changed his life, turning him from a respected household name into someone who was laughed at whenever he appeared in public.
He continued nevertheless to develop his ideas, and in four books published over seven years – The Robots' Rebellion (1994), And the Truth Shall Set You Free (1995), The Biggest Secret (1999), and Children of the Matrix (2001) – set out a worldview that combined New-Age spiritualism with a denunciation of totalitarian trends in the modern world. At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian.…..man I thought you were not one of these guy. Alex jones is an idiot. Do you know who his mentor this guy.
Icke was a BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when in 1990 a psychic told him that he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose, and that the spirit world was going to pass messages to him. In March 1991 he held a press conference to announce that he was a "Son of the Godhead" – a phrase he said later the media had misunderstood – and the following month told the BBC's Terry Wogan show that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. He said the show changed his life, turning him from a respected household name into someone who was laughed at whenever he appeared in public.
He continued nevertheless to develop his ideas, and in four books published over seven years – The Robots' Rebellion (1994), And the Truth Shall Set You Free (1995), The Biggest Secret (1999), and Children of the Matrix (2001) – set out a worldview that combined New-Age spiritualism with a denunciation of totalitarian trends in the modern world. At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-alex-jones-david-icke-meet...

Reptilian humanoids ..........man you just can’t make this shit up….it’s just too good.

Whatever Goldspan...

Did I post anything 'reptilianoid' related? No.

I posted my theory which still holds true, about the globalist elite.

I used an Alex Jones clip at the very end of my comment to reinforce my theory, as he has come to a similar conclusion, independently a separately from myself. I had posted that comment several times, and later saw AJ saying pretty much the same thing, so I posted it as a link to back up theory.

If you are one of those who would rather attack someone's character and credibility, before you criticize their actual points, then we have nothing to discuss.

If you think my theory (not AJ's, mine) is incorrect or impossible, then please, let me hear your world-view theory as to what is happening, and your points to counter my theory.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

We can still be friends

I would say that my theory is most similar to Albert J. Nock. That is…. I am a person, I own myself and everything I produce (unless I rent myself to an employer which I am compensated for) and myself includes my property. I organize with others for common interest and realize that each little portion of me that I give to the organization is what I lose for myself. As the organization grows further from me and bigger I realize that what was once my friend now has the power to become my enemy.

I can’t say it any better than Nock…..please read "Our Enemy, The State" the book here is a link to a free PDF. The second chapter seems kind of redundant….but just power through it.

http://mises.org/document/4685

My world view is this, without the interruption of war the State continues to grow to its natural conclusion…..failure. The failure is usually an economic failure. After an economic failure the path of least resistance is to either merge or decenagrate. The Soviet Union decenagrated and they actually exhibited more of a love for Liberty then our founding father…..given the choice ( if there really was one) they chose smaller. When the dollar crashes we could do the same….or in the opposite direction. There will be “A” NEW WORLD ORDER, but not one by design….but one of eventuality…..the eventuality that all self-center decisions of government corruption has caught up to us……I am a person that is more afraid of what my own government can do to me than what the government can do for me. I am also more afraid of the enemy I know then an imaginary enemy I have never seen. The conspiracies are a cottage industry to instill fear in order to maintain The State to protect me when in fact I need protected from my protector.

Have you ever read anything about Socrates, Plato & Aristotle? The first paragraph, on this post, is describing “Natural Law” which was developed by these guys but got lost along the way. (You would also learn the origins of God's relationship to man and man salvation….which Christ was still 450 years away and the Bible 750 years away)

John Locke mentored James Otis who mentored Thomas Jefferson. While the Declaration of Independence was written in the same vein of Natural Law, the Constitution went down the same path where Natural Law was misdirected during the time of Plato…at Plato’s hand….same as Alexander Hamilton….it’s call Absolutism……it’s the Absolutism of the State…….NOTHING COMES BEFORE THE STATE….Including the Church…..which is where the conspiracies developed. Have you ever noticed the conspiracies always have an undertone of “Righteousness” about them? This is why the Hebrews are singled out as a perpetrator of the conspiracy….the Hebrews are expendable by both The Atheist Socialist State as well as the Democracy Christian Church State.

I am no scholar by a long shot but I read and think….then I contrast ….then I form a conclusion. I do not watch a video and believe and then continue to drink from the same well. I spent a lot of years doing this and was in your shoes at one time. As I educated myself on the real workings of the economy but could not avoid government….because money is always at the root of government. I vetted von Mises and Rothbard long before I had watch RP grill Greenspan. I educated myself with the same instructors as RP…..and I will bet you dime to donuts he DOESN’T believe in conspiracies either…..he believes the State is corrupt…..our only difference is he believes we can restore Liberty through the Constitution……I believe the only way to restore Liberty is without the Constitution and return to the original constitution of this land the “Articles of Confederation”

I think it has been knowingly

I think Americans have known about sustainable development for a long time, and complain about it, but don't do anything until they are personally affected.. leaders are made, and rarely born.

I also believe the confusion reguarding Israel's role is contrived, in the form of multitudes of conspiracy on secular, religious and cultural media, anti-zion/Israel/Jews, that establishes blame and resentment for Israel.. this is no accident.. Israel is free.. following the lead, at this point, of the role of government, Israel is a prime example how to sustain a free society, even in a snake pit. So media has provoked people to revolt Israel for the exact crimes being committed against her, daily.. any defense is potrayed as on offense, and anything said that shows compassion is sneered.

Look at all these people here upset with me, because I LOVE Israel. And I know if they saw what I saw, some might be smart enough to "see the light", and escape the NWO as Israel does. Israel is not to blame.. they are smarter.. matter of fact, I was thinking...

I've come to think of Israel as Galt's Gultch.. After WWII, the genius and productive left America and other countries and went to Israel.. that's why we've lost production.. our government is addicted to the genius that advances humanity that comes out of Israel and the nature of the Jewish community that is not afraid to think different, debate, create, invent, produce, experiment, experience, understand, educate.. as if that's where all the John Galt's went, and it's being covered up by contrived media for the purpose of enabling a NWO, since they reject the freedom Israel has.

Granger if this is you....welcome back

Look I don't have a love fest over Israel like you do.....but i do love the truth. I stand with RP and say....Israel has a right to exist and run their country the way they see fit just like all the other countries do.

Palestine has never been a country…..is was a region…before the West came in and starting drawing lines all over the place and setting up governments. RP thinks we should leave and that’s good enough for me. Don’t get drawn into defending each accusation, they will never let up. Trust me I have been at war with them since you left…..but they never understood…..I could care less about Israel (no offense), but I care about the truth and they just didn’t want to hear it.
Here is a site that I thought was good….you probably know all this, but I was ignorant to it. But I know I am not stupid enough to believe the crap they were spewing.

http://www.ourjerusalem.com/history/story/is-the-talmud-anti...

((((((Goldspan)))))))

TY 4 the welcome back. THANK YOU for teaching me about greenbackers.. I take no offense over that country that shall not be named.. I admire them.. nothing human is perfect, eh? No offense ;)I too care about the truth and youtube ain't telling the whole truth.

Thanks

Granger

It's great to read posts like this.

lawmanjed...you are ON to it!
I wish Granger was this switched on.

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You want to lay this all on the current administration...

But, in FACT, the gop is JUST as responsible.

The duopoly you support is insanity, defined.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Incorrect

This has been in the making my entire life.. drip by drip, left by right, drop by drop, day by night, election after selection, neo- anti-pro-con anagram soup and a healthy does of paranoia, treaty by false flag, Deocratic, Republican, censorship, brutality, NWO here we come.. Obama was going to be CHANGE.. I guess he is.

There is a duopoly, and it's fat on corporate perks, and state government games, where the best crook wins, thanks to MSM covering the real story and entertaining us with conspiracy to make us wonder.. more than know.

Ron Paul gave all of us an opportunity to take the GOP.. people don't see the GOP as a tool to work, but a tool to hurt them, so they want nothing to do with it.. it's like learning how to use a knife.. if you don't know knife skills you may get hurt (and even if you do know you can misjudge and cut yourself).. politics as all about not cutting yourself... Liberty Movement could have been created by Karl Rove for all I know, how well it worked defeating Ron paul by voting for another Republican because he put in a Libertarian button... you can be on the cutting edge and carve away the corruption to deliver liberty, or wait for someone slse to do it for you and blame the Jews if no one saves you.

To the Granger:

Could you post some links to the information you are disseminating here? You appear to believe that Assad is paying Islamist mercenaries to go around killing Christians and generally stir up trouble.

You seem to believe that these mercenaries are not the same as the "rebels" who are secularist freedom fighters opposing Assad who is an agent of the New World Order which is an Islamo-Communist plot to create a world government based upon sharia law.

Nevertheless the rebels and the mercenaries are apparently on the same side for the moment although paid for by two different paymasters. They are in league to oppose Assad's secularism and his secret dyed in the wool Islamism. He is an Islamist who has been posing as a secularist but is now allowing his secret Islamist side to come out to engineer a victory for the Islamo-Communist New World Order. So the rebels who are secularists are opposing his Islamism and the mercenaries who are Islamists are opposing his secularism and this means they have to work together until they get rid of this two headed cruel genocidal monster.

At this point I think I am losing the plot so could you put me right one step at a time and put in some links to the material that has given rise to these beliefs of yours?

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Dont waste your time. Just

Dont waste your time.

Just block her.

OK

To me, the NWO, is the UN Agenda 21: Sustainable Development on a global scale, all nations with the exception of Israel and smaller nations that have not signed treaty agreements. The Agenda morphs as the world turns. It is composed of Central/Industrail/socialist/globalist bankers, the IMF, G8, G20, etc, and they have assessed the natural resources, which also "morph", as gas and oil are found, new inventions for alternative energy and compatible products.. from lights to fast food.. country's, even the US, which sold out under Clinton, and the real reason he should have been impeached, but now that he was impeached on something else.. he's "safe" from treason.. and that's what it is on many levels.. why Assad would just destroy what there is.. He doesn't need to be another Saddam.. and Russia, another superpower, is there to make sure Assad mows down Syria.. Syrai can not be sustained anymore than the WTC could be sustained in the NWO sustainable development plan..

So what the UN was, when Israel was established, and what it is today, since 1961, this NWI through the UN, are traties that make compromises, and sell outs based on Keynesian economics and it's not working, because people are cultures, and globalization homogenizes cultures, which naturally meet resistance, and the call for Freedom and Liberty to be one's culture.. by nationalization, or religion, or sex, or heritage, studies..

Each culture is going to have it's own action, reaction to global events due to the UN Agenda.. in my area, state parks is land grabbing and people will lose their homes.. I see this all over, CA has been on fire, we have police brutality, and protests are getting violent.. Syria is at an advanced stage I hope we do not get to.

When you ask about rebels opposing his secularism.. yes, in two ways.. one way was the same way Americans oppose Obama's secularism.. or his politics.. Americasn don't agree he should attack Syria, they protest.. Syrians don't like Assad saying he's going to liberate Syria (for a NWO) and they protested.. you have those.. they are not against secular order, they just didn't agree with the order.. then you have those who don't agree with secular order and wants God's order.. in Syria that's the Quran, so there are those who don't want secular order, period. Some say, Assad protected the Churches.. under secular law.. his own religion that is sacreligious.. because there is the globalization war under the UN Agenda, and cultures, especially Islam resisting it, but being useful idiots to it, as it, the UN Agenda demands a population reduction.

While you may look to the Bible, as many do, for your solutions, I have found that the solution is Israel's form of government, which is like ours, however, they are not part of the UN Agenda, but respectfully "cooperate", they are thriving, beyond sustaining.

http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/israel/eco.htm

Thanks.

There is now another thread that lays out the underlying war that is going on between the Rothschild/Rockefeller central banking network and other independent central banks among which was Libya that now has a Rothschild/Rockefeller central bank and Syria, Iran, China and Russia who are the major independent central banks remaining.

The Rothschild/Rockefeller central banking network and its controlled corporate cartels are the creators and controllers of the New World Order. Control of the central banks enables plundering of resources and enslavement of the people. As you have pointed out one of their instruments of control is the UN Agenda 21.

Here is the link to that post. You will also find comments from myself there along the same lines.

http://www.dailypaul.com/298139/the-object-of-the-wars-in-th...

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Granger...

I just wanted to let you know that you've made some really good posts on this thread. I just put this comment here but it could go anywhere. Nice job!

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

The rebels and Jihadists

It's no secret Assad is Shiite.

The rebels were protesting Assad's new laws that restricted freedom. It would be like the Liberty Movement has a sign wave against the appointment of the new federal reserve chair.. military police show up and shoot people. The nation goes into SHOCK. This is worse than Kent State.. and it doesn't stop.. the military police are going door to door chasing people out, millions, and it doesn't stop, the military police are ordered to shoot first ask questions later.. some rebelled.. they refused to target their own citizens.. this is what started the Free Syrian Army.. they are opposed to the NWO, they enjoy western influence, Assad is having NONE of that.. he's wiping it off the map.

When he left the gates open for Jihadists.. they oppose western influence and are free to wipe out the infidels. The population of Syria will be reduced to Shiite, and they will do business with Russia.. and not worry about rebuilding because they are preparing for a bigger, not peace.

I suggest you start with The Legal Case For Israel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4

Assad is an Alawite

not Shi'a.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Where is it here?

Could you please respond to my request.

Even though I did not mention Israel in my question the only link you gave to me was the video outlining the legal case for the Jewish State according to international law.

Now that we have dealt with that issue as fully as we can may we turn to the other question regarding your beliefs about the Syrian situation. Could you deal with them one at a time from my original post and indicate if indeed I have understood what you have been saying and at the same time provide links to any good information that substantiates your beliefs.

Thanks.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I do not deny the right of "Israel" to exist.

Therefore I do not need to watch the video outlining the legal case for its existence. My acceptance of its right to exist is based upon the Law of God not the laws of men.

The "Jews" have been given an opportunity to bring forth the Kingdom of God and its fruits. They have been permitted to take possession of the Land as recompense for Jacob's sin against his brother Esau in obtaining the birthright in an unlawful manner and in gaining his father's blessing by deception.

Esau was the patriarch of the nation of Edom which always coveted the Land since they believed they had been cheated out of their birthright by Jacob who became Israel. Eventually in 126 B.C. John Hyrcanus, the Hasmonean ruler of the Jews, led an expedition against Edom and conquered it. He then gave every male Edomite the option of banishment or of becoming Jews and being circumcised and baptised into the Jewish nation. They agreed to do this and so remained in their homeland and received the right to live as citizens in Judea. From that time forward the Edomites were part and parcel of the Jewish nation and were considered to be Jews. King Herod and his sons were all part Edomite (Idumeans).

Under the Law of Tribulation in Deuteronomy 29 the modern Jews do not have any right to the Land. They must repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to return to their Land lawfully. This is the law on which the Judaic sect of Neturei Karta opposes the Jewish State in Palestine.

As I indicated above this is not the law that God is using to permit the existence of the Jewish State. Rather He is using the Law of Compensation which must be observed in the circumstances described above in relation to Jacob and Esau. This law applies because Edom is integrated in modern Jewry.

However Esau is on probation since once he was given the Land he became responsible to bring forth the Kingdom of God. In actuality he is attempting to bring forth the Kingdom in an unlawful manner by the arm of flesh, the force of arms and other carnal legal but unlawful means.

Many Jews believe they are preparing for the coming of their Messiah and they believe that the secular Jews corporately represent the Messiah ben Joseph who is the donkey upon which the Messiah ben David will appear and rule the world with the Jewish nation. It is on this basis that the Jews are building their world kingdom, primarily through their central banking and monetary system and the corporate cartels controlled by them. All of this is in preparation for this Messianic event and it is their justification for everything they do to achieve this goal.

Their rule of North America has similar roots since America especially (along with Canada) is the actual regathered tribes of the ancient Northern Kingdom of Israel over which, properly speaking, the King of Judah should rule since He has received the sceptre. There is indeed a clear scriptural promise that in the last days the two Kingdoms of Judah and Israel would be re-united under their true King. This is of course a prophecy of the healing of the breach under the Lord Jesus Christ but it has been interpreted by certain Jews to be the material re-union that they have effected through their central banking and monetary system and their corporate cartels. This is their counterfeit world kingdom they have been building since the first century A.D. in order to fulfil Biblical prophecy by their own devices. In doing this they have had the assistance of certain spiritual powers and principalities.

The priests in Jerusalem usurped the Kingship when they crucified the Lord Jesus Christ and now in these latter days they have usurped the Kingdom name of Israel and have been completing the building of their counterfeit world Kingdom using the peoples who are the descendants of the Kingdom of Israel in Europe and America. (The name America means Kingdom of Heaven in the ancient Saxon language. The Saxons were the Saaca the children of Isaac, specifically Ephraim and Manasseh in whom that name was to be continued.)

In doing so they are supported by the Christian Zionists who believe that the Christians will be raptured to Heaven, the Jews will all be converted to Christ at the same time when the Lord Jesus Christ appears to them privately as a nation and then the Jews will evangelise the whole world, there will be great tribulation on Earth as God pours out His wrath on a sinful humanity, the Lord Jesus Christ will return in glory with His saints and He will rule on Earth with the Jews who will be in charge of the government at Mount Zion in Jerusalem where the Temple will have been rebuilt on the Temple Mount. This is the general outline with slight modifications by each church and different Christian churches believe there are different timetables for these events, with the rapture taking place before during and after the great tribulation.

As I have said before, even though the events are all taking place as I have described and the Jews and Christians are working to achieve their goals as they believe God has ordained for them, all of the things they believe comprise a strong delusion even though it can be proven from scripture if one reads scripture literally and accepts certain alignments as being authentic. This is possible because it is God's purpose to delude those who have refused to believe the Truth that was revealed to all the churches by the Holy Spirit from 1948-1952 and ever since from scattered ministries around the world but without any denominations.

I do realise that your personal adherence to "Israel" is not predicated upon these beliefs at least that is my apprehension from what you have said. Nevertheless you should know why so many Christians support "Israel" all over the world and what is the foundation of these beliefs and why those Jews who are exploiting these beliefs have promoted them so assiduously to accomplish what they believe is God's will for their people.

Now, that deals with "Israel" and what I believe about the Jewish State and incidentally the New World Order that is as I have said, a work of the Anglo-American elites, the former Israelites led by the Jews endeavouring to build a counterfeit Kingdom of God. They are also pre-destined to fail, just as Nimrod failed to complete the original Tower of Babel.

Could please you use my post above as a basis for answering my questions as asked so that I can drill down to the foundations of your beliefs about the conflict in Syria, who the players are and how you perceive their motivations and ambitions? It would also help if you could provide any supporting documentation to validate what you believe.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

There are over 30,000 Messianic Jews and counting...

.. in Israel.

Not that I buy into your theory.

But Jews are coming to recognize their Messiah has come once before. And Christians are recognizing their Jewish roots. That is equally important.

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Thank you for that information. They must be warned.

The term "Messianic Jew" is a tautology. Those of us who belong to Messiah Yeshua HaMaschiach the King of the Jews, are all Jews, circumcised in the heart and not in the flesh, whether originally Jew or Greek, Scythian or barbarian. Suffice to call us Christians.

The words I have written above do not comprise a theory, they are a revelation given by the Holy Spirit to my spirit and to other disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Christians do not have "Jewish roots". The roots of the Christian tree are all in the Lord Jesus Christ and He is of the tribe of Judah according to the flesh but He is of the blood and Life of Yahweh, His Father and our Father, His God and our God. The Jews He came to mostly rejected Him and their priests crucified Him as it was foretold they would do. Those who rejected Him, the bad figs, went on into the outer darkness to preserve and develop their religion called Judaism where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Judaism is a dead tree that bears no fruit whatsoever. It is the cursed fig tree that has brought forth only leaves in its new incarnation in the State that calls itself "Israel", the birthright name that was given to the sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, in an effort to be accepted by the Christian Church as the regathered tribes of Israel in the Land of their fathers. According to the foreknowledge and predetermined plan and purpose of God the Christian churches have accepted this counterfeit State and will be left desolate when it is destroyed as it shall be.

If you personally know anyone in "Israel" you would do well to warn them to leave if they wish to avoid the holocaust to come, just as the early Christians left Jerusalem in 70 AD to avoid the destruction of that city by the Roman armies sent by God for that purpose of which the Christians were warned beforehand.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I've already explained to another poster about Messianic Judaism

I have already engaged in an in-depth debate on that issue with another poster who opposed the notion of a "Judeo-Christian theology". See the convo I had with 'Klaus7'in this thread:

http://www.dailypaul.com/296719/does-the-dp-have-members-who...

Lawmanjed: "Have you heard of Messianic Judaism?" - The New Testament may have been re-interpreted and some things edited and omitted by the Romans, but Yeshua the Messiah and His teachings are very real and true.

Klaus7: "What is a 'messianic jew'?" - Is that a Christian who thinks he's better than the other Christians?

Lawmanjed: "Yes. Exactly right. (sarcasm) ???" - Why would say something like that?
A Messianic Jew is a Jew who recognizes the Messiah has come, once before. They are also Christians who are seeking to understand their Jewish roots.
Messianics do not pretend to know the whole Truth, and it is all about Jews and Christians coming together to try to discover just what is going on here with this Bible stuff.
It is one religion, one story.
I'm sorry if you've let the word of others, I'm guessing in particular the Roman Institution, cloud your understanding of the scriptures (as they re-arrange the proper chronological order and omit stories altogether) and the idea that they speak the truth. Or whatever your problem is.
Messianic Judaism is one of the only forms of Christianity that doesn't claim it's better than any other, and doesn't claim that you will go to hell if you aren't messianic.
If you don't care for what Man's Structures of Power have to say about G-d, then you should study the scriptures yourself. When you get down to the nitty-gritty, Jesus was a Jew, in Jerusalem, fulfilling a Jewish prophesy. Rome was the enemy. Rome's institution was paganized from the start. That's history, not religion. Messianic Judaism is a modern search for the original faith of the past.
My Mother was born and raised Roman Catholic, went to Nun school, as did her mother. My grandmother (92) lives with us and is very hardcore Catholic, and even she is opening up to Messianic Judaism now.
My father born and raised reform/conservative Jewish.
I was raised celebrating Christmas and Chanukah, Passover and Easter, etc.
I have always found the correlations between both religions. I always felt it was really one story, misinterpreted because it was split up and divided.
My folks, in their retirement years, have come to really embrace Messianic Judaism, as they always did really, but didn't know what it was called, or what they were.
I believe it is the truth. Or closer to it. Not because of Dogma, but because of History, politics, philosophy, scripture, faith, etc...
Messianic Judaism is constantly evolving, as we learn more, and more is revealed, until His Return...

Klaus7: "All jews are messianic" - All Jews believe the Messiah will come. He could come today. He could come tomorrow. He could come a hundred years from now. No one knows when he will come, but it is certain he will come. The Messiah is a man, not a god. A Jew does not pray to the Messiah. When the Messiah comes, all the Jews will be returned to Israel from exile, all wars will end, the Temple will descend from heaven fully built, and the dead will be resurrected. Since this has not happened, the Messiah has not come. The Messiah does not need a do-over. The soul of the Messiah has come to earth many times, because Judaism believes in reincarnation. There are many men who had the reincarnated soul of the Messiah and who could have been the Messiah, but ultimately, none fulfilled their potential. The Romans did monkey with the New Testament but not the Old.

Lawmanjed: "Are you just playing devil's advocate?" - A Messianic Jew believes the Messiah has already come, before! And will come again!
His name was Yeshua, aka Jesus Christ.
"A Jew does not pray to the Messiah." Really? In this case you're wrong. Hence, MESSIANIC... JEW.... Messianic Jew.
Thanks for telling me my own beliefs, though. (sarcasm)
I suggest you google Messianic Judaism or something. There are over 30,000 Messianics in Israel, up from 5,000 only a few years ago. It's growing fast because people are learning.
There are almost 100 members at our church/synagogue in western South Carolina. Mostly former Baptists. We meet with other churches and synagogues of different denominations often, and discuss all kinds of things Bible.
And The Canon did mess with the Old Testament. Such as translating it into Greek, for starters.
Also, you say Jews believe in reincarnation? Since when? You really need to learn some things before you g posting like a know-it-all.
I mean you're telling me that Messianic Judaism is not Messianic Judaism. Ok. Whatever you say, Klaus7. Maybe we should worship you, since you are omnipotent and determine reality, based upon solely on your opinions.

Klaus7: "No offense intended" - I understand you want to honor both your parents and bring together their different religions. The commonality you pick up on is the brotherhood of their ancestors. Jacob is the progenitor of the Jews. His twin brother Esau is the progenitor of the Christians, whose foundation is seated in Rome and the Roman Catholic Church but extends to Protestants as well. Their father Isaac's half brother is Ishmael, the progenitor of the Muslims. These are the great Abrahamic religions.
The Old Testament is best read in Hebrew. English translations tend to be deceptive. Stick to Orthodox Jewish sources for what defines Judaism. They're the ones who observe all the laws, so they're the ones who know it best. Believe it or not, reincarnation is a central tenet of Judaism. Souls are real, and these material bodies we inhabit are mere temporary husks. Look at the 613 laws a Jew must obey. He cannot observe all of them in one lifetime. Some are exclusively for men. Some are exclusively for women. Some are exclusively for high priests. Some are exclusively for kings. Only a reincarnated soul can observe all 613.
Incidentally, there is no such word as "religion" in the Hebrew Old Testament.

Lawmanjed: "The brotherhood of their ancestors?" - Jesus was Jewish. Nuff said. He was the prophesized Messiah. It was never a Roman thing.
It was, and has always been, a Jewish thing. Yeshua came to bring gentiles into the fold. But that is not replacing Judaism. He is fulfilling the Law, not changing it.
Clearly, you are having a hard time wrapping your head around the concept. You are getting yourself tangled up in trivial technicalities. They mean nothing.

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