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Can Ron Paul revolutionaries get behind Mark Levin's leadership?

There have been various other posts wondering about this alignment. I just saw a Facebook post from Rand Paul congratulating Levin about his new book The Liberty Amendments and encouraging people to buy it https://www.facebook.com/RandPaul. I'm down with that.

We need a national level organizational strategy to change the culture and save the country. Levin is suggesting such a course and is I believe re-galvanizing the energy behind the Tea Party Movement. Ron Paul started the Tea Party Movement as we know. At Tea Party rallies I saw many Ron Paul shirts but also many people waving Levin's Liberty or Tyranny book around. Therefore, this is a natural coalition that needs to happen.

Two things could help. Ron Paul could speak out in support of Levin's intentions. Mark Levin could apologize to Ron Paul for his vicious attacks during 2012.

Furthermore, Mark Levin needs to continue his recent attack on the Republican Establishment and express more vocal support for Edward Snowden. Ron Paul could do more to marginalize the fringe associations that connect with the Ron Paul Revolution.

This is a marriage that needs to happen.

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Absolutely the question should be whether the Mark Levin supporters can get behind the Ron Paul movement. It should NOT be the other way around. Dr. Paul is right and has been all along. We need to stand firm here. Levin is probably a phony (as is Glenn Beck).

because he has a plan

Ron paul has complaints but no plan as far as I can tell. This was a major problem with his campaign. Levin is proposing a strategy to avoid war. But I agree. Levin should follow aoaul as much as Paul supporters follow Levin. We should be working together.

Ron Paul had a plan that would have actually worked.

He wanted to cut one trillion dollars in federal spending the first year and eliminate five federal departments and several hurtful foreign military mis-adventures. That was the only plan that would have saved FEDGOV from financial Armageddon, but they shouted him down, now those fools are going to have to go down. Just hope we can talk some sense into people at the state and local level so things don't get all Mad Max or Police State on us.

Levin wants a convention to amend the constitution. If the problem is that the government won't respect the constitution we have now, how is adding to that constitution the solution? The first step is to get FEDGOV to honor the constitution we now have, only then is it worth the risk to consider a convention that could spin out of control. I don't see Levin and the current crop as Founding Fathers material. Whatever they come up with is likely to be worse than what we have now. We need about ten more years of educating the public about limited government, Localism in particular.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Paul's plan assumed he would win

What is his plan now to change the culture outside of government? That is where we are failing. What us the revolution? His is it supposed to work?

He may have a plan, however,

He may have a plan, however, it is a plan which will guarantee greater tyranny; Yay! How, you might ask will a Article V will result in greater tyranny, well it has been stated numerous time on these threads; its funny how the legitimate concerns never get addressed by the Article V supporters.

The 1st order of business of a Convention would be to produce and vote on Rules for the Convention.

The people elected to be representatives at a Convention are elected by the State legislatures. How does a liberty supporter get elected to be a Representative at Article V when the vast majority of State Legislators are statists?

If the people electing the Representatives are statists, then it is unlikely that those elected would be Liberty oriented, and therefore, why would you think that a Representative who was elected by statists would introduce an amendment that wasn't even more statist oriented than the current Constitution?

What plan is this?

Dr. Paul had a plan too - STICK TO THE CONSTITUTION. What is Levin's wonderful plan that we should abandon Dr. Paul for?

an example of our own problems

I'm Sorry Syria,I can't apologize on behalf of my country as it is run by gangster banksters, crooks, and criminals that have taken over. Should the Zionist banksters hit you hard, would you please wipe Israel off the face of the Earth so we're no longer run by that country? Then maybe we'll be able to take back our country and stop all this craziness.

This confirms an argument that Levin made in his rant agiainst Ron Paul. We gave people in this movement that are over the top. I don't see the non aggression principle here. I see the anti Jew principle.

No! Sorry, but no!

I agree that we need to align with the Tea Party and bring THEM into our fold. But it CANNOT be the other way around!

I don't begrudge anyone for their past mistakes. If they really start to "see the light" then I welcome them to the Ron Paul, Liberty, Libertarian, w/e movement. The more the merrier, I say.

However, this does not mean that they can say a few pretty words and then LEAD OUR movement. They can come, but they need to get in the back of the line, so to speak...Levin is Welcome to follow OUR leadership, but we shouldn't even consider following his...

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

this is arrogant

So you are completely righteous and Levin is completely wrong. Do we not have our share of inconsistencies and problems? This is why people do not want to associate with us. We have a superiority complex. It keeps us a small closed system.

No, The Establishment is

No, The Establishment is closed minded. It is always their way or the highway. Screw that, I am not jumping on his ship only to be left holding the paddle when he turns the ship sharp left 6 months before then next election. It happens every 2 years like clock work.

Levin, Rush and Hannity's ratings are dropping and now they are riding our coattails to line their pockets.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

Kevin

I've been called a lot of things in my life, but arrogant is not one of them...I guess there is a first time for everything :)

No, I'm not completely righteous...No one is. (That's pretty much why I am a libertarian.) What exactly did I say to make you think that I think I was completely righteous? Of course we have our differences, I'm OK with that, and, as I said, I WELCOME people of all strips into our movement. There is no need to agree with me on every issue. SO what's the problem?

Would the Tea Party and/or conservatives let Obama lead their movement 2 years from now if he suddenly shifted gears? Of course not! That isn't arrogant of them, it's just applying reasonable caution to someone who used to be one of their biggest opponents.

Like I said, he is welcome to the movement and to clarify he is still welcome to have his OWN ideas or his own take on the issues.

I happen to agree with your assesment of many people in the liberty movement, but I assure you that there are just as many of us that want to grow the tent too. Be careful, in the future, to not apply stereotypes to someone just b/c you don't like their answer or YOUR OPINION! It comes off as arrogant!

;)

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

It's not a matter of self-righteousness

I don't oppose Levin because he's is wrong about certain issues. I can work with any honest person from the Left or Right on an issue by issue basis. As Ron Paul has said, you can build coalitions without sacrificing principles.

The problem with Levin is that he is a liar. He has lied about Ron Paul, and other libertarians. He can't be trusted because he is part of the Establishment, despite his criticisms of RINO's.

He, like the rest of the talk radio "conservatives" are controlled opposition and/or opportunists. They talk a good game but when push comes to shove they always support the Establishment. In their case, the "right-wing" of the Establishment.

Their hero Ronald Reagan was a big-government liberal. I can excuse someone in their late teens or early twenties for being fooled by Reagan (or for their left-wing counterparts to be fooled by the "liberal" du jour.) But to be in your 40's or up and still support these people when their record is out there leads me to believe that they are shills and phonies.

As a side note, even if you take Levin at his word, still has very little in common with the liberty movement. Putting the word "liberty" in the title of a book doesn't mean you support liberty.

I disagree

Everyone in the country has been caught up in big government. Finally we are turning things around. We are too tough on conservatives that are caught up in the status quo. The Progressives won the debate. We are trying to prove how wrong they were.

Who's

Who's next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q
I love to watch the establishment send these fools like Levin and Beck to the slaughter. Mental midgets all! (no offense to little people... LOL)

"You gotta stand for something"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9sTTnigGgQ
"I've seen a lot of things, but I have not seen a lot of other things..." John Mellencamp

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

Is this a joke?

Is this a joke?

So all of a sudden mark levin

So all of a sudden mark levin is some Leading Constitutional scholar? Ta daah!! Presto! It's Magic! :)

I agree. Levin is on a good path

He has way too much ego to admit he was wrong, and he certainly was and still is on many things. But he's coming around slowly. His chickenhawk is receding slowly. He'll never get all the way there, even his article V convention idea is insufficient, but it does get people to think in ways that are positive.

Imo we work with anyone progs, neocons, ows, and tea party when they are doing good work. (though it would be hard to hold my nose if rush, hannity, madcow, perry, etc would come around, no risk tho)

Dwelling on past slights is not tactical.

But we never ever compromise.

In a word...

apparently

Some do not want to grow the movement. I'm for building a new conservative coalition that can change the culture. Levin is doing his part as is the good Doctor. I see them as natural allies.

Levin can go to HELL!!!

Never gonna happen, he's a another established opposition in my opinion!!!

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
-George Washington

Levin can go Fuck himself

He not only belittled the one true statesman this country has seen in a century, he personally insulted me and every person in this country that believes in a republican form of government. He is a profiteer and will say whatever it takes to make more money. He absolutely, positively is no friend of liberty and anyone who thinks that he is, is a naïve fool. He is the same as Hannity, Mike Church and Glen Beck who all claim to be friends of liberty, now after awakening to the fact that their wallets were getting skinnier and true Republicans were beginning to set the dialogue. They are all controlled opposition propagandists and traitors to the people of this country.

I guess I'm not alone

Mark Levin sucks

I didn't like him before he started hating on Ron Paul, and I still find him to be obnoxious and phoney. He's bought and paid for, he's reading from a script. The guy wasn't talking about the fed, or the money supply, or overspending before Ron Paul; and now he's assumed this new identity all while mocking Ron Paul and maintaining his hawkish (Zionist) foreign policy. Screw Mark Levin, his voice gives me the runs.

fuck Mark Levin

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NEVER FORGET!

Mark Levin On "Crackpot" Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi19kEYcZqY

Mark Levin on Ron Paul - 1 - Aug 31, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oss4gg0NJYc

"The Ron Paul people are the biggest A-Holes of them all."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Q0JKhyOP0

Let's get behind this guy!

Levin hated (and probably still hates) both Ron Paul and his supporters. Yet we're supposed to get behind him?!?!? Give me a break. Thanks Kelldor for posting those vids.

wow! omfg...

No, thank you, and everyone else who up voted my post! I can't remember the last time I had 14 up votes for anything! (Ok.. 1 is mine.)

I FECES you not! All I did was type these words into the YouTube search engine:

"Mark Levin Ron Paul"

The links I gave were 3 out of the top 4 search results!

nope

never.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

mark levin......lol

Leadership......roflmao!

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

No

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"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Mark LEVIN? SERIOUSLY?

Mind as well be asking if 'we' can get behind McCain's 'leadership', or Cheney's 'leadership'!
Sorry. i am ANTI-NEOCON.
Levin is nothing but NEOCON, dyed-in-the-wool; a 'preemptive striker', an 'Israeli-firster', a con artist who 'appears' to RAIL AGAINST the 'establishment' WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT for RATINGS, and an ENEMY of the Constitution FOR the United States.
Any questions?

I AM
MONTGOMERY SCOTT