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A Christian Case for Libertarianism

Okay, I've heard so many times that a person can't be libertarian and Christian at the same time. Well I'm going to make a case to prove those people wrong.

I'll start with my testimony.
My parents got divorced when I was 11 years old. It took its toll on my brother and I, especially at such a young age. In between the ages of 11 and 14, I became a porn addict. I turned to the things of this world: porn, lust, and profanity. But my 8th grade year, a girl that went to a school nearby got hit by a car walking distance from my house and died. Over the next few months, I started to look at my life differently and realized that I'm not living a holy, righteous life. But again, Christianity is not a list of dos-and-donts. It's not about what I do. It's about what God did. But anyway, my freshman year of high school, I gave up everything I got into and gave it all to God. I felt the presence of God (and I still do). It's amazing. Probably the best decision ever made.

Now I will make my case.
Of course, Libertarian views like supporting the Bill of Rights and being anti-war don't really conflict with Christianity, but do views of gay marriage, drugs, etc conflict? My answer is this: to an extent. In Libertarianism, it states that you have a right to your body and that you own your body. In Christianity, you have a choice. Either follow the ways of the world like I did or give up your earthly body to God. I made the choice to give up my earthly body. The key word is choice. God doesn't force you to love him or follow his ways, so why should the government? True Christianity isn't about forcing beliefs, because again, Christianity is not a list of dos-and-donts, because once a person receives salvation, the motives to do sinful things fade away (I know it from personal experience). I can't try to live a holy life without salvation, because it just flat out doesn't work without God. Of course, as a Christian, I can't support abortion, gay marriage, drug use, etc, but as a Libertarian, I can support getting the government out of marriage and legalizing drugs, but at the same time, I pray for the people who do drugs and who struggle with homosexuality. Just because I support legalizing something doesn't mean I support the behavior. I actually like the Just Say No campaign and I don't have a problem with groups like Focus On The Family that have a problem with homosexuality. But all in all, I don't support government intervention in these issues, because in the end, the question to ask is, "Is my life really different, despite these laws?"



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If you don't believe in Hell, how could spending eternity in a

non-existent place be a threat?

Similarly, if you don't believe in Heaven, how could living in Paradise be an inducement?

Conversely, if you do believe, then you have choices to make.

I wouldn't presume to make such choices for you whether you believe or not, which seems to me to be the essence of libertarianism.

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Where ever we end up is our choice.

If God does not force us into heaven then how can he force us into hell?

It is an individual choice where you choose to go. Study the life of Jesus and and the old testament and pray about it. It is the most important decision you will ever make. Many great men who spear head the revolution are God fearing men (Ben Swann, The judge, Tom woods, Dr. Paul, Rand Paul, Lew Rockwell) There is no correlation with being a believer and ignorant. The decision is a very personal one.

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

or deists

"This is quite a comfort of atheism at least; knowing that this hovering and omni-present threat of the worst violence is all fantasy. The idea of eternal damnation makes nuclear annihilation seem quaint."

This reflects the knee-jerk reaction of most atheists who are just rebelling against the established religions and dogmatic order, it is possible to believe in god without religion. You will find the same comfort in Deism, and for the record many of our founding fathers were Deists.

a Libertarian case against Christianity

all religions are about control and authority, libertarianism is about individual potential, if your values and morals are fenced in from birth then you do not know your true potential - think for yourself, reject dogma, question authority

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." - Siddhartha Gutama

"You must understand it, go into it, examine it, give your heart and your mind, with everything that you have, to find out a way of living differently. That depends on you, and not on someone else, because in this there is no teacher, no pupil; there is no leader; there is no guru; there is no Master, no Saviour. You yourself are the teacher and the pupil; you are the Master; you are the guru; you are the leader; you are everything." - Krishnamurti

"The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood." - Martin Luther King Jr.

"Say nothing of my religion. It is known between God and myself alone." - Thomas Jefferson

I respect your opinion, but

I'm going to share a story. There was a Christian pastor, a Muslim priest, and a Buddhist priest in Asia somewhere. The Muslim priest and Buddhist priest said that Muslims, Christians, and Buddhists fundamentally believe the same thing. The Christian pastor called them on it and said that the main difference was that their religions say that God is on top of a mountain and that mankind must climb to him. In Christianity, (he said) God comes down from the mountain and stands with mankind. I truly believe that. I will admit that modern day American Christianity has become authoritarian and deceptive, but in reality, true christianity isn't about what's right vs what's wrong, it's about salvation and having a walk with the true creator of all things. Our God is a loving God and wants to have a relationship with you. If it was so much about authority, then how come he just doesn't force us to love Him?

While we are quoting Jefferson

“The God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

bump. thanks. It's great to

bump. thanks. It's great to hear how God is still transforming lives.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I never heard that you can't be christian and libertarian.

The non aggression principle is in line with "turn the other cheek" and "and do unto others ....".

Christians love all God's children, by definition.

Those that preach hate are not christian. The evil, evil deed.

If you separate your faith from your reason, then you won't have a problem.

Theocracies are the result of evil, not God. Theocracies mingle faith and reason.

That cannot be done without evil as the result.

It's like saying you believe in free markets and also the FED.

God Bless.

I'm from Tennessee, so

my grandparents have said that I can't be a true Christian and libertarian at the same time. It's funny, because two main things of Christianity are salvation and FREEDOM.

Luke 6:37

If you have criminalized the bahavior of a man you have condemned the man. If you have condemned the man then you have passed judgement.

To take a life or imprison a life is to pass judgement on a man.

If you are a christian then you must be libertarian. Otherwise you will be committing a sin and you are a hypocrite.

Tell that to your grandparents.

To take a man's life or liberty or property for any reason, violates the ten commandments.

The state judges and condemns all the time. It is one of the necessary evils in our society. But for a christian to believe or endorse or vote for such an action is to not be a christian.

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's."

If the state wishes to enforce the laws, then so be it, but to endorse such an action is to give to the state that which is reserved for God.

Faith is for God. Reason is for the state.

If you justify your reasons for supporting the criminalizing of homosexual behavior or any behavior by using your "christian" morality, then you have committed an evil act. You have just endorsed a theocracy.

God Bless.

Wonderful post, point well taken!

Only Christians of this kind such as you and Dr. Paul are indeed true libertarians. Now, how many Christians actually agree with your views and practice force instead of freedom? A vast majority. Those who choose force are not libertarians, they are conservatives.

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I just wish Christians would

be more open to Libertarian principles, because the main things of Christianity are salvation and freedom.

thank you!~

judge NOT. Love all. let everyone choose for themselves & give love to those who have different views than your own. They are free to choose their own path & are worthy of nothing less than love from you, as they, too, are made in the image of God. If God is Love, then Love = God.

You're welcome!

You're welcome!

Kick-ass!

Agree 100%!

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Great post. I also love the

Great post. I also love the way you added the qualifier probably, "Probably the best decision ever made." That isn't normally used when expressing the greatness of the presence of God. But it made the post all the more enjoyable.

It truly is!

I was so lost before I received salvation. I'm only 16 years old and a junior in high school, so I'm going through a big time right now, especially with SAT/ACT testing, looking for a college, and stuff like that, so without God, I would be a very lost person. It's good to know that the creator of things like water, air, trees, insects, the stars in the sky, etc is on my side and will guide me through these things.

Christian and Social Conservative

I don't believe it is a requirement to be socially conservative to be a good Christian.

If somebody asks for my prayers, I pray for them. I don't pray for people in situations I do not understand, but I may pray for better understanding.

If you believe that people should only open their eggs on the small side, would you pray for those who open them on the large side? Can you be sure that God favors those who open their eggs on the small side and will punish those who do otherwise?

As I understand things, God is Love and is against those base things that are of the nature of fornication. Social roles and the sexual expressions that arise from them have changed quite a lot in two thousand years. Women are not property, for one thing. Men are not sodomized by straight men on a power trip over them, unless possibly they are in prison.

If a gay couple who was created such engage in a mutually loving and supportive relationship which is monogamous, this does not conflict in any way with pro-love, anti-fornication. Gay or straight people who use their sexuality to fornicate are obviously running afoul of the spirit of the law.

The same is true of 'drugs', a statement so general as to mean nothing exactly. People who are abusive will abuse and those that take care are in a different category. Would it be right to pray for a medical cannabis user who is receiving relief to 'quit the drugs'?

Pray for wisdom and understanding. The more of it you obtain, the easier it become to empathize with people and place the message of Love foremost. It is ignorance of the situations of others that lead to the arrogance of human judgement and we are commanded not to judge others lest we ourselves be judged.

I will not point out the splinter in my neighbor's eye nor pray for them without their explicit request lest I be forced to face the plank in my own eye and be called hypocrite.

The Biblical verse that is used

in the case against drugs is "treat your body like a temple, as it houses the soul".
Christianity and libertarianism, work well together as Christianity teaches tolerance, can differentiate between the sin and the sinner, is non judgmental and isn't selfish.
Christianity is made out to be a hurdle in this modern world, rather than a gate.

like alcohol you mean?

how about prescription drugs, are those a sin? who gets to decide?

i think there is something in the bible against being a "drunkard" and it seems like i also read about them getting "stoned" a lot too. those long haired peace and love hippies sure knew how to party. there was a dude named moses i read about that partied pretty hard and had a bunch wives and built this big bad ass ship that was full of exotic animals and sh!t, no pun intended. those were the days.

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hmmm

i must have missed the part in the bible where it talked about not using drugs. please post a link to the chapter that list what drugs not to do.

here's what i found....
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1301.html

thank you for doing so much to educate people on gods laws...
Don't Believe everything you Read - Art Bell

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Just because

I support drug legalization doesn't mean I support drug use. I hate drugs, I absolutely resent them. I just think it's a waste of money to arrest and lock up a person for selling or doing drugs. But I'd actually make a case NOT to do drugs.

"as a Christian, I can't

"as a Christian, I can't support abortion, gay marriage, drug use, etc"
what does being christian have to do with drug use? is drug use forbidden in the bible by a talking snake like the forbidden fruit?

also, do you support the government being involved in abortion? what should their role be?

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Here's the speech where dr. Paul uses you're quote in the bottom. Great speech!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRi8tswSkB4&list=FLr88jp5cxzR...
(Edit: No sorry I was wrong. Not in this speech)

plant/drugs

MJ is a plant, not a drug. we have been blessed with all of the plants of the field as food, and medicine <3

Government intervention suitable for crimes only.

The burden of proof is with the government to justify their actions.

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