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Dealing with Cops These Days . . .In a word – don't.

Not if you can help it.

Officer Friendly is a fiction – a vicious fable sold to schoolkids – who soon learn in one way or another that any interaction with a cop is a likely to be a bad interaction. You are dealing with perhaps the worst possible tag-team combination: Someone with legal power over you who is held to a different – and far more lenient – standard than you are. And therefore, you are dealing with a person who is much more likely to do things – not nice things – than you or I or any other person sans special costume and badge might be inclined to do. After all – why not? Especially if one is a bully – or an outright sadist – and the cop profession attracts exactly that type precisely because of the nature of the work. In its own way, giving a bully a badge is like giving a fat kid free reign at the candy store. Expecting him not to eat is almost silly.

Do not engage them in conversation. They will view any questioning of their authority as a provocation. Answer – if you must – in a flat monotone. Yes. No. Am I free to go?

Do not look to them for help.

Look upon cops in the same way a scuba diver does the sharks of the ocean. Both are opportunistic predators who can strike unpredictably, with devastating consequences. By exercising hypervigilance – and never making the mistake of thinking either is anything other than an opportunistic predator, one can minimize greatly the chances of becoming chum.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/eric-peters/avoid-cops/

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I want a bumper sticker

Maybe I'll have my printer friends make it. I want one that says this:

"My friend is a police man, but the police man is not my friend."

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

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Sage advice...

I will take it.

Thank you.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Great Post - Comparing Cops To Sharks

Honestly. This is a great way to put it. Don't ever look to a cop as if they can help you. Every encounter that I have had with a cop or cops was horrible. Just avoid any possible interaction at all. Throw away your pride. Consider the transaction that you would have with a shark. You would try your hardest NOT TO GET NOTICED by the shark. That is priority one. You don't want to face the shark.

So throw away your pride and your views and opinions. They do you no good against the shark.

Not only could they easily abuse authority, they are hourly employees. What do hourly employees do often? WASTE TIME. They want to milk the clock.

Ever had 3, 4, 5 cop cars arrive at the scene for you? Then wait for K9 to show up? It will take a while. You will look like an idiot. It will be uncomfortable, even if you are released without action. You will be left pissed and hating the system. And then realize that their funding actually came out of your pocket. So you initially paid a pretty penny... to be discomforted.

I have Texas plates, and I live in Indiana; I just moved. I now know that cops have a major boner for out of state plates. Every time they get behind me on the road, they think they have "hit the jackpot." They'll pull me over and tell me "You understand, it looks suspicious? You could be transporting drugs across the country. Texas is near another country; Mexico. That makes you suspicious. So just sit here in the middle of the road and wait for K9."

assumptions make an ass

Wholesale characterization like this is for children. Yes, some cops are unprofessional. This does not merit slander against all of them.

I've interacted with many cops, both as a suspect and also as a person asking their assistance. Some interactions bad, some straight up enjoyable.

Here's an idea- why not try and determine if they are good guys rather than "sadists" before you go into your freakish stand-offish attitude mode of treating them like the SS.

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When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

wrong on this point

In most instances you're correct. Lump 'em together. Let them choose if this is the stereotype they wish to portray.

Get Real

What purpose do cops serve other than revenue enforcement agents for the state? You can harp all you want about finding murderers etc. etc. but the vast majority go UNSOLVED.

Police officers are completely worthless, useless and cost far too much in money and liberties lost to even consider keeping them as a "profession".

I'm done dealing with them, I've even found ways of suing them removing their legal impunity if they overstep their so called "authority" which most do. 6 months ago, I had my car towed, I placed a lien on the officers house for the damages.

If they disbanded the national police state I would go to my nearest "police department" burn it to the ground and piss on its ashes before it got swept to the dust bin of history.

No one, state or another human being has power over another. I care not what badge or color of law says. My rights and liberties are not subject to some pigs bad day on the job.

A well regulated militia...

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a Free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

We always think about the second part of the 2nd Amendment. But the beginning line is equally important to maintaining individual liberty, and a government by, of and for the People, that governs as little as possible.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a Free state..."

...MILITIA being NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a FREE state...

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

And "Free State" doesn't necessarily mean...

"Free State" doesn't necessarily mean a particular geographic or political entity:
============================================
state
noun: state; plural noun: states
1.
the particular condition that someone or something is in at a specific time.
"the state of the company's finances"
synonyms: condition, shape, situation, circumstances, position,
predicament, plight
"the state of the economy"
a physical condition as regards internal or molecular form or
structure.
"water in a liquid state"

(there's more, but this is the important part!
=============================================

So, "the security of a free State" means the preservation of a condition of Liberty.

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, grabbers!

Freedom is my Worship Word!

Announce your rights OUTLOUD

Attempt to hold them to it. KNOW THE LAW.(learn it)

gather evidence(record the contact if possible, if not take sworn statements ask people to swear out an affidavit of fact under penalty of perjury)if there are any witnesses. The first step of protecting yourself is NOT TO ACT A FOOL, 2nd always have recording device handy!

If your rights are violated in anyway FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST THE OFFICERS ACTING UNDER THE COLOR OF LAW! (google color of law)In their private capacity because by violating your rights they are acting as mini little dictators acting as if they're the law.

Here is the LAW guess what its on your side!
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

HERE IS WHAT THE UNITED STATES IS OBLIGATED TO DO FOR A VICTIM OF A CRIME!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3771

DID THE COP USE A RACIAL SLUR YOU CAN PROVE? either through recording or affidavit of truth?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000h-2

Sue THEM PERSONALLY don't write a stupid complaint MAKE IT HURT MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF THEM!

If your rights are violated, IT IS A LEGAL WAR THAT HAS BEEN DECLARED ON YOUR PERSON! submit and suffer sue and receive remedy.

break the bondage of fear.the law is black and white and provides remedy, take their ass to FEDERAL COURT! to be tried as criminals, You are the injured party!

disagree

There is some truth to this, without question, but the general assertion made here is by far, incorrect.

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Generally speaking, I can agree that it's best to avoid interacting with police if one can help it. It's not so much the individual LEOs I have an issue with, but what their uniforms turn many of them into.

I've criticized LEOs many times on this site, but out of fairness I think I should share at least one positive experience. Balance and all that jazz.

Storytime!

I had come into Boulder, CO one night after a long and extremely frustrating journey from eastern Kansas, and found myself sleeping on a roof with some fellow travelers I met while exploring downtown. Long story short, when I climbed down to answer nature's call, I was surrounded by six officers pointing their guns at me.

Naturally, I was pretty confused and a little nervous (read: almost 'went' right then and there). They calmly told me to drop my bag and to put my hands on my head. They searched the bag and found two lighters that looked like guns and nearly flipped their shit. After explaining what they were and telling them why I was on the roof, they calmed back down and ran my ID.

They saw I had no record at the time, and after hearing me out they told me why they ambushed me. Turns out a kid who matched my description (saw the photo) was going around doing smash and grabs along Pearl Street and they figured I was trying to stake out the place I was sleeping at. I never told them anyone else was on the roof, but otherwise I was truthful and that seemed to keep them from doing the usual 'excessive force' routine.

Not only did they apologize for what they did to me, but they told me where to find work, as well as suggestions on where to stay for cheap/free if I didn't feel like camping outside/on roofs.

Also, they openly turn a blind eye towards recreational drug use, as long as it doesn't involve a needle.

This was almost a decade ago, so I don't know what Boulder is like now.

EDIT: I guess it's not so much a positive experience overall, but the way they apologized surprised the hell out of me.

A signature used to be here!

Beware of COPS?

Excellent article.
Perhaps, beside 9-1-1 on all phone keypads should sit a sign: Beware of COPS. -- kind of like the, "Beware of Dog" sign we see on gates of yards holding same?

For there is no Officer-Friendly any more.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

A bit harsh

Yes there is rampant corruption and abuse. Thankfully, in Idaho at least, there are still great people that happen to be police officers.

I concealed carry at the state fair this weekend, and the rent-a-cops at security when they found out I had a CCW and was exercising that right tried to hold me like the TSA while they called over the deputies. I just brushed off the punk, told him to not worry about it, said I would go talk with the deputies, and just walked right through the security checkpoint.

I found a deputy, told him I was CCW and he said he really didn't care, in fact encouraged it. His words were "we like that" (when citizens concealed carry). But never the less, he went over to the head Rent-a-cop, and came back and asked for my CCW & phone number, and then off I went.

If you treat an officer as a normal human being, with a little bit of respect, then chances are, you will get better than crap treatment from them in return.

Now, don't get me wrong: I DO NOT advocate treating the TSA as anything other than the perverts and pedophiles that they are.

Jason Robinson
Secretary
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho
http://www.IdahoLibertyCaucus.org

In small towns in Tennessee

Average pay for city police. Nineteen thousand a year.

Money talks and dogs bark

A.C.A.B.

All cops are bastards.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

P.l.e.a.s.e.

my natural Mather and Father would prove this child they made and have been the rocks of my guidance diss,diss diss.

Its because Officer Friendly passed away in 2004.

And I have proof.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004...

Now we just have a WHOLE LOT of Officer Nastys.

Unfortu@tely...

...his brother "Notso" joined the force & is still working.

Cops

Cause the majority of the crime in Moscow from what I have read.

From what I have seen today many lack interpersonal/communication skills. This was not the case in the past. There are the ones that make up for the rest of them thankfully.

donvino

10 years ago I was walking with an Eastern European girl in

Ukraine. It was my first trip to that country. We approached a man wearing a dark coat - and the girl whispered to me urgently "See that man up there? When we walk past him, don't speak English, don't look him in the eye; in fact don't look at him at all."

I followed her advice and did just as she said as we walked past him. When we were a safe distance away I asked her "Who was that guy? Was he like local Russian mafia or something?"

She laughed and said "No. It was a police officer and if he had heard you speak English he would have demanded your documents, required a bribe and maybe ever would have kept your passport."

I laughed this time and said "I can't believe this. In MY country police officers are friendly. They are the people you go to for HELP. You don't fear them. They are the good guys."

She said "Not here."

We may not be quite at the level of corruption that Ukraine is. But we are certainly getting there. What a difference ten years makes.

Heard it Before

I read that story about the cops in Ukraine, don't recall who posted it, but I'm not gong to assume it was you. Looks to be copied & pasted.
If you didn't post the other(s) then I can only assume this is not a witness account, and although I appreciate the moral of it, I am uncomfortable with how it is presented as though it is a witness account. I am going to assume the entire thing is fiction at this point, as I've never been to the Ukraine (though I have met someone from there) and try not to let that affect the moral of it, which I interpret to say that we need to keep the police in line before they get worse.

I wrote another account of it previously.

You make a lot of ill founded assumptions.

It IS a witness account. I write it that way because it happened to me. And it is certainly not fiction.

Why in the world would you say "Looks to be copied and pasted."?

I have been to Ukraine some 20-30 times. The first time I visited there were guards holding rifles in the ready position as we went through passport control and customs.

When I was there just a few months ago - there was a laid back "no problem" attitude like a pre-9/11 flight experience in America used to be.

They seem to be moving in the exact opposite direction compared to the US.

Assumptions, yes, but ill-founded, no.

Why would me being skeptical of your story that I saw copied & pasted be ill-founded?
I'm not saying you didn't write it, but I can assume you did not write it just as much as I can assume you did.
I choose rather to be skeptical instead, because it is generally a wiser option than believing anything I read on the internet.
Whatever you actually witnessed, that's your deal, me believing what you write here doesn't change the fact that it happened or did not.

Like I said, your post still has the moral behind the story that I completely get. Never did I say anything bad about your story, just that I was confused why I was reading it a second time as though it were copied & pasted.

Good?

Hmmm.

My baby bro was in Ukraine for a couple of years. He had to go to the cops, at least once (female stalker), and I think they were nice to him. I don't think they did much of anything, but they were sympathetic, none the less.
It does not mean this will be the same experience had by all. After watching SWAT have a go (for 6- 7 hours) at my SUICIDAL neighbor, I will always think more than once before I call the cops.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

Some difference but not a

Some difference but not a ton. Seems you were asleep. Cops have been by and large corrupt and working against the people for well over a decade.

Some differences but not a ton?

Pardon me if I don't rewrite the story exactly the same from telling to telling.

The quotes are probably not identical - they are approximate because I did not have anyone to write a legal transcript when it occurred. I will try and have a court appointed stenographer travel with me the next time I visit Ukraine, in case something like this happens again.

I have no idea what you're

I have no idea what you're talking about. My statement was in reference to your statement of what a difference 10 years makes. I am saying cops were corrupt then as well...

Their main goal is to extort

Their main goal is to extort money from you.

Southern Agrarian

If the courts were operating lawfully

then we would be able to easily bring justice to the criminals who commit felony extortion and remove the criminals claiming to be "law enforcement" and put them in prison where they belong. Try to bring these criminals before a jury and see what happens. The court itself will commit felony obstruction of justice. The more one seeks justice for clearly documented crimes the more crimes one will see them commit.

Seeking justice against these criminals proves the system is entirely criminal at this point. If anyone out there is a good cop either quit or arrest the criminal "cops" and remove them from the system by bringing them to proper justice.

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