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The Story Behind The Wonderful Wizard of Oz

'The Wizard of Oz' was about bankers, silver and gold - Oh my! The solutions the authors propose might not be quite on but they are pointing at the right culprits...

http://www.moneyreformparty.org.uk/money/about_money/wizard_...




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Gold and Silver do not mean money. But they could.

You know, it took me a long time to figure this out but money can be ANYTHING. The only requirement is that "it" is generally accepted as money. When it is, it has value. I don't care if it is paper or a beer bottle, if a certain society deems it as their currency, it HAS value. But it must be issued debt free.

If I lived in Beerlanda and the going rate for a pound of chicken was either 2 glass beer bottles or 5 aluminum beer cans, guess what? Those bottles and cans are MONEY. But who wants to carry those around?

Paper is superior. DEBT FREE paper, that is. Government issued debt free paper, not private interest bearing paper that we all know is debt upon creation under our current hijacking.

As one of those members that will have 6 years around here soon, I have read a ton about the money issue. And I'll give you that ONE thing, that one thing that always stuck in my throat when it came to gold and silver backed money...

Ask anybody here what gold and silver are worth today. Their answer will always be how much PAPER money it takes to acquire an ounce.

Paper can have value and you prove it every time you buy gold or silver. Argue that one. Please try.

Money in any state can be whatever we agree on. It does not need to be backed by anything, period. The only things that matter are how much of it is issued and that it is issued debt free.

Sorry gold bugs. Sorry silver bugs. Your argument after all these years, simply sucks.

If government can issue debt free money...

If government can issue debt free money, why did Lincoln increase the National debt 3,000% to issue the green backs?

The national debt was $90 million and Linclon's Congress borrowed $2.7 billion to fund the looting of the South.

By 1891 the debt for the war was at $1.5 billion. We have been paying interest on that debt for for 132 years. Since 1891 not a red cent has been paid on the principal of Lincoln's folly.

At no time in History has a government produced a debt-free money.

Free includes debt-free!

Secret of OZ film:

But it is an allegory, not a fairy tale.

Money supply is not an issue. It is in the banks interest to create currency, held in short supply. This keeps customer demand high. The risk of over-inflation is failure.

Gold and silver were already money, according to the Constitution.

The farmers borrowed the banker's currency and suffered when the supply was manipulated.

He put the farm up as collateral. He bet on the future never suspecting the game was rigged by Lincoln and how.

Greenbacks and the national Banking System was created in 1862 to rig the system in banker's favor.

Ten years later the War bonds came due and Lincoln's Union was bankrupt.

Twenty year later the new Bonds came due and currency was drained from the economy to pay Civil War debts (1890s).

One third of the Civil War debt is still principal today, and earning interest for creditors.
Greenbacks are a proven flopperoo. The costs far out-weighed any benefit.

Bottom line, don't let government near money, never in history has a government managed its money well in the long run.

Gold, silver and copper is money that doesn't come with a bite.

Congress in action, 1850s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vw6uF2LdZw&playnext=1&list=P...

No one wastes other people's money like Congress. After 220 years when will we realize that it is a task beyond Congress. Seventeen trillion dollars [200 kilotonnes of Gold]. Congress is demented! Don't send them back do do more damage!

Voluntary contributions restricts Congress to spending their own money. To get more they must deserve it based on past performance.

Free includes debt-free!

Couterfeit fiat money created out of thin air by privately owned

Central bank. PRIVATLY OWNED, PRIVATLY CONTROLED, PRIVATLY PROFITED.

Rothschild bank mafia corupts the money of humanity not just by the counterfeit not just by the fractional reserve crime but worst of all by the false compounding national debt they use to enslave humanity into false debt sending IRS tax collection extortionists to force honest sovereign humans into submission to liars and theives.

Welcome to the Rothschild prison planet. I am off the reservation.

sovereign

Congress borrowed the money. They know the terms.

Congress has been screwing Americans for over 220 years.

They have never, ever been source of good or virtue.

Whenever a creditor tempted them they took the bait, hook line and sinker.

The creditor is a businessman. Congress is a house of fools. The fools were fooled over and over and the US has the debt to prove it.

Free includes debt-free!

Terms?

Let me get it straight. Terms, Congress that Rothschild Private Bank Corp will create your money. Digitaly, out of thin air, THEN they will loan said money to you congress at a COMPOUNDING rate.

Those are not terms and they do not have a clue for the most part.

These are not creditors by any defination. WAKE UP

These are theives pulling a basic ponzi strong arm exortion scam.

First because they create the money digitaly out of thin air they own everything. They being the Rothschild family and their choosen puppets.

So to think any of those critters are elected is very strange thinking.

Congress is not a house of fools its a house of sold out puppets who self enrich at the pig trouth knowing that their self enrichment enslaves the masses. The give not a stich about anything except who feeds them.

I say you need to crawl down the rabit hole a little deeper but you are going in the right direction.

Sir there is not a congress for the people only a congress for the owners of the private federal reserve counterfeit fiat false coumpounding national debts coporation which feeds the congress hogs.

sovereign

Criminal need a mark.

For over 220 year the US Congress has be conned by bankers. Congress, governments around the world all succumb to fear and greed.

Bankers play their marks for all they can get governments to volunteer to.

Prohibit Congress from taxing and borrowing. They have proven over 220 years that they never can be trusted with money, currency or taxation.

Strike at the root.

Does blame help. No matter who the creditor, the problems the same because Congresses are incompetent.

It's their nature.

I suspect that Rothschild agents financed the War of 1812 to the tune of $82,000,000 or 4 Million ounces of gold. Congress backed the loan and hoped that they could conquer or loot Canada. Congress bet wrong and the taxpayers were stuck with the bill.

It goes on and on through the decades.

Free includes debt-free!

I would say not CONNED but owned

Elections may never have been real. I would say not marks but willing participants and suck up promoters of their masters agenda.

sovereign

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Facts are so darn stubborn, aren't they?

Thanks, Paul. Useful refresher.

Facts are so darn stubborn, aren't they?

Q.E.D.

And yet... what's even more insulting? Maybe...

"$"(FRN) 1 7 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 (+) STOLEN

in the name of "something" which - AFAIC - shouldn't even BE ALLOWED to be believed existing... or EVEN LESS! defensible:

http://www.dailypaul.com/286406

"Darn" & "ouch".

Does anyone believe in pink unicorns? The concept is definitely cute, but... how many sightings to report thus far, folks?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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Totally Wrong


Greenbacks were not "Bonds" at all. Lincoln temporarily defeated the Bankers when he made an end run around them (through Greenbacks) and refused to go into debt from using their loans.

The Greenbacks were "an Emergency measure". It was only when Greenbacks stopped being used, and The U.S. Congress had put the Bankers back in complete control again with The National Bank Act in 1863 that debts were incurred.

But Lincoln saw that Greenbacks had worked (unlike the Bankers debt-based loans), and considered adopting this emergency measure as a permanent policy. This would have been great for everyone except the Banksters who quickly realised how dangerous this policy would be for them. They wasted no time in expressing their view in The London Times (Rothschilds Newspaper):

"If this mischievous financial policy (Greebacks), which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost.

It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world.

The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

--The London Times, 1863

This is The Rothschilds own admission about the success of the Greenback monetary policy, and how it would rob them of their almighty power (stranglehold), and enrich the masses, and create prosperity without debts. So there is your proof.

And so.... Lincoln was assassinated.
And no... it was not a "lone nut" either.

Same thing also happened after President John Kennedy printed debt-free "United States Notes", and bypassed the (private) Federal Reserve Central Bank process.


No Interest

Wizard of Oz
1. Silver is good. (slippers)

2. Gold standard leads to fiat money. The yellow brick road leads to the emerald city.

3. Emerald City = Fiat money (very bad and a lie)

Possible Monetary Systems:
(a) Public/Private Central Bank (i.e. the FED) = Totalitarian; Merger of State and Corporate Power

(b) State Central Bank (i.e. Communist Countries) = Totalitarian; Centrally Planned Economy

(c) Government Prints Fiat Money w/o Central Bank (Lincoln, Hitler) = Totalitarian; National Socialism

(d) Money Emerges Naturally in Market (Anarchy or Limited Govt) = Individual Liberty; Free Market

Those who are asking for Greenbacks are asking to give a monopoly on money creation to Congress and in a collectivist fashion. This is totalitarian, national socialist economics that is completely against individual liberty, the free market, and private property.

At least allowing Congress to regulate the value of a dollar versus a hard commodity like gold put some restraint on them and protected private property because one could save gold and if the dollars inflated, it would not hurt them.

Greenbacks represent the exact place where the populists who support them do not agree with the libertarians who favor private money. If the populist-libertarian movement fails, it will be over issues of economics and money.

Lincoln is a mass murder and plunderer that failed.

Lincoln hoped to avoid the International Bankers by looting the South to pay the war bonds.

Big deal. you quoted from a banker's propaganda piece designed for public consumption not truth telling.

Sure it worked for a while.

Yup, Greenback scam left Lincoln's Grand Union bankrupt in 10 years.

Lincoln was executed without due process. Not good for a Republic. Standard Operating procedure in a marxist Union.

If JFK mentioned silver it was to influence the Byron Wing of the Democratic Party.

Gold, silver and copper money in the hands of the middle class is the only anti-bankotic that has been proven to work.

Governments only creates Bills of Credit and calls them money. But they are paper frauds designed to benefit government and their cronies.

Free includes debt-free!

More backasswards falsehoods from you....


Debt-Free currency that is created solely by The U.S. Treasury (and not lended into existence by private profiteering Banks) is not a "Bill of Credit".

There is no loan involved.
There is no lender to repay.
There is no interest payment.

It is possible for a Sovereign Nation to create money, rather than to borrow it from Banks.


"It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not issue $30 million in currency.

Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurers, and the other helps the people."

-Thomas Edison (Edison is correct)

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"If we issue money diectly through the Treasury, rather than going through the Federal Reserve, we don't have to pay interest on it to the international bankers.

In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. we have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by the Constitution."

-Congressman Wright Patman

______________________

"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation.
One is by the sword. The other is by Debt."

--John Adams

______________________

"The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed. [This is the situation we have today]

The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency. Creating and issuing money is the supreme prerogative of government and is its greatest creative opportunity. Adopting these principles will save the taxpayers immense sums of interest, and money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity."

--Abraham Lincoln


Edison should stick to lightbulbs and phonographs

"Debt-Free currency that is created solely by The U.S. Treasury (and not lended into existence by private profiteering Banks) is not a "Bill of Credit"."

Hogwash, this is playing with definitions that have no valid reality.

John Adams borrowed money from the Dutch to create the first Federal debt. So he has no authority. He didn't practice what he preached. Dismissed.

Patman supported the New Deal which was really a the American Brand of Fascism. He seems to think government is a god that can create money by fiat. Silly man. It's still a Bill of Credit created out of thin air.

How does a Congress that is $17 Trillion in debt create money out of debt?

Lincoln admired and corresponded with Marx. Marx admired Lincoln's genocidal invasion and occupation.

What Marx labeled capitalist, Lincoln called banks.

Lincoln jailed 30,000 Northern opponents of his tyrannies, exiled an Ohio Representative and arrested the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

He knows of what he speaks when he speaks of insolence. So he made banking worse by marrying it to government. Stupid move that let to bankruptcy in 10 years.

Free includes debt-free!

nonsense



Debt-Free currency that is created solely by The U.S. Treasury (and not lended into existence by private profiteering Banks) is not a "Bill of Credit".

>> "Hogwash, this is playing with definitions that have no valid reality."

Wash whatever Hogs you wish, but you can't change the facts.

Money created independently of Rothschilds Banks, and without their debt involved (debt-free), is not a loan.....Sparky. No borrowing is involved, nobody is indebted, no interest is accumulated.


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What hard evidences do you have?

What hard evidences do you have that the US Treasury could never get corrupt while "creating" this currency?

Contrariwise: if you let the people CHOOSE their stores of value called "monies" they acquire by honest work and enforced contract and bankruptcy laws, why and how, EXACTLY, would that be "bad" for the people and free markets?

Again, please share some hard evidences.

And spare us the lip service on corporatism that thrives on NON-FREE markets, precisely, and that is an historical FACT we are still living right now.

Changing the assumptions is too easy; pay attention to those I put after "contrariwise...", thanks.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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Different


> "What hard evidences do you have that the US Treasury could never get corrupt while "creating" this currency?"

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Well then that would be something different than what Lincoln was actually doing (US Greenbacks), and different than what John Kennedy was doing with his 1963 Series "United States Notes" too, and something different from the system I was defending.

Government can always be corrupted by Bribery, but if you remove the power and influence of that Bribery (Private Banking Interests and Global Private Banking dynasties), then yes ... accountable government is quite possible.

Also, nowhere have I said people could not store their money in gold. That's fine if it is voluntary. But if you care about choice, and if you care about freedom, then at least one currency option available to the public must be something that Private Bankers do not control, something that involves no debt to the public, and something that is managed by a transparent, auditable, publicly accountable process.

Anything in the private domain (commodities) is something that rich bastards (the Oligarchs) can ultimately control and monopolize. We see that with the price and "perceived" supply of gold/silver something that is clearly manipulated by J.P. Morgan, COMEX, and Central Banks. But The Bankers could not manipulate an exclusive Sovereign currency like Greenbacks, which is why The London Times article that I posted earlier reveals just what The Banksters were thinking, and what they were really afraid of ... that would take away their Empire (and their World Control). The Rothschilds basically confessed that Greenbacks would take away their power, make America debt-free, prosperous, and no longer subservient to them.

I accept their confession.

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Besides, I just noticed,

Besides, I just noticed, you still miss the fundamental issue:

"the rich bastards" as you call them can PRECISELY get away with it BECAUSE they are the RECIPIENTS of a central bank given superpowers BY the government.

If, and only if, they didn't have those powers, the Fed, they would be forced to close tomorrow, for fraud, theft, rigged books, all in a global Ponzi scheme. The one turning a blind eye IS the government, mind you, by ignorance, stupidity, rent seeking, corruption, or all of the above.

And if you think that replacing the Rothschilds and today's Fed with a bunch of bureaucrats (who wouldnt even need to know anything about banking, but in the end in charge of doing the same INSANITY as what the Fed does today) is going to fix anything... You're totally delusional.

The thing is money does NOT need to be created... Most of the time, so to speak.

It is already above ground, in Gold, Silver, or whatever else you see fit that requires energy, invention, investments, and DECENTRALIZED control, and competition, to extract more of it from nature if needed. For Bitcoins, well, you need CPU time... But didnt you have to invest in the CPU first? Won't you have an electric bill for whatever you mined? Did you have to ask permission to the govt?

Gold standard or not (competing currencies), that will always be better than fiat or Greenbacks the supply responsibility of which fits all in the hands of just a handful almighty men who can go loco or evil any time! Especially when sustained by tax payers... Look out of your window.

On free markets, nobody, not even the Rothschilds, would be able to monopolize the oil companies, transports, logistics, you name it, in order to be alone to expand the money supply - you can always enforce anti trust laws if you really want.

They rig the system today because they own a domain completely financier, fraudulent, based on fiat currencies : that's like heaven for them! Minimal effort! The Gold doesnt need to exist, nor the Silver, just a couple database record updates, a phone call, et voila ! From $FRN 60 billion/month stimulus, uncle Ben switches us to the $FRN 85 billion/month stage. They didnt create sh.i.t, spent almost no energy for this counterfeiting transaction, and just injected 25 more billions into the stocks for their Wall Street buddies, but hey, Main Street will have to wait to see them... You know, 6 months later with 2 more points of (real) inflation... And that would be the same story with different actors and landscapes (say, more administrative) if it were govt-issued Greenbacks... Plague or cholera? Which to prefer?

How about... Neither?

Instead:

Force the banks to store values that already exist or produced on the free markets by and for their customers, and trade with, by, and for tangible commodities only, with contracts, and NON fractional reserve requirements and everybody will be better off.

Small banks will thrives, get bigger, then fail sometimes in many bits because of insufficient profits and too much debt possibly, like any other business, and with the loss of a few thousand jobs for a while maybe, but who cares, when you have removed the moral hazards and risk leading for bank runs impacting the entire economy and not just the losers?

That would be infinitely more fair than what we have today: a complete global SCAM that serves only the govt and central banks and affiliates, precisely.

A complete mockery and denial of free markets and sound money.

A worldwide Zimbabwe, if you wish, with barely many more crooks at the very top.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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So, what?

If you allow private banking but disallow private central banks a la Federal Reserve, I still don't see why you would need the government "to create" money.

The government can possibly hold money, and make it work to generate interests, like any investor, with more or less risk, but there is something I can't miss to notice you never made clear:

we do agree that government, in and out itself, creates NOTHING, right?

Because government is force and only force, supposedly to protect the just law - that is:

rendering justice. And only justice. When one steals from others, when contracts are broken without due compensation, etc.

Government cannot create sh.i.t.

It can only TAKE what the people have accepted to abandon to it for its functioning.

Thats also why small government is preferable: it keeps the figures and books small, facilitating the accounting.

So, again: why the hell government would need to create money or interfere with banks?

Thats precisely the mess we are in today: private banks who have the exceptional privilege to counterfeit money, on behalf and with the blessing of government!

I don't get it.

The closest I can think of what you seem willing to pursue is government-only owned central bank, a la Gosbank, in former soviet Russia.

I have bad news for you: that's also a terrible, dreadful idea... we know how completely managed, planned economies end... in a disaster, will a lot of suffering and deprivations for most of the people (but the government mafias) and for decades before ineluctable collapse.

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Correct

Liberty baby is right, and so are you cyril, what would stop the government of simply abusing the powers and getting to the Situation we have now.

The answer is competing currencies, something Ron Paul has put forth, to keep the governments currency in check. If the government abused the powers of currency creation they would devalue the currency out of existence as people run for a more sound form of money.

Non aggression really, let people trade as they see fit, the majority would settle on the most stable forms of money, and hence I think that a government currency would always fail over time and therefor not be considered worthy as a form of money in a true free market society.

Perhaps to keep a government mandated money alive, a compromise could be made, of say a flat sales tax, which has to be paid in government money, meaning the demand for that money will always be there, but at the same time the power of the market with competing currencies would still keep the government in check thanks to competition, as they would still lose purchasing power if they abused the system.

Interesting opinion but it's never been a historical reality.

One just needs a government to pretend they are god, creating something out of nothing. Fiat money!

Government is secretive and rotten to the core riddled with agents of the bankers.

Those that want 'free' money are thieves. Who is going to looted to pay for this make-believe money?

Free includes debt-free!

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Three related questions to answer at anyone's will

Could someone find us one, at least one, example of a government-created "money" that lasted more than a few decades AND WITHOUT ending in great pains (and/or a lot of STOLEN wealth) for most of the people?

Or, contrariwise: what would be so difficult to JUST LET the people choose themselves their (competing) stores of values (silver, gold, platinum come to mind, but there might be others from man's invention) and how to (private) bank them for present savings, and future investments?

Or, more fundamentally: why and how, exactly, ANY legitimate government (the smallest one, preferably) would need to have ANYTHING to do with money, to begin with, as long as contract and bankruptcy laws are enforced IMPARTIALLY, without any "greater" agenda in mind (as we know all too well where that takes us, EVERY-FREAKING-time...)?

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I can't miss to notice my questions are still unanswered...

I can't miss to notice my questions are still unanswered...

Aren't they easy enough?

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Monument

I hope I live to see such a change in attitude in this country that people demand that the Lincoln monument be torn down. Judging by the ahistorically craptastic propaganda garbage belched forth from the film industry, I'm not holding my breath.

If he was alive today, the SPLC and AlSharptonCorp would be attacking him constantly for being a huge racist.

Why stop at the criminal Lincon and his monument.

I say all the freemason built monuments and other public buildings be rebuilt or destroyed for starters. Its all great advertizing for their causes.

sovereign

I say we End the Fed and turn that buidling

I say we End the Fed and turn that building into a monument to Congressional stupidity.

But it would be fiscally more prudent to sell the real estate to pay the 200 kilotonnes of Gold Congress borrowed.

Free includes debt-free!

But it's such a fine prison, an eternal reward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Memorial

Few know that rail splitter was a reference to Lincoln's profession as a railroad lawyer.

He overcame legal obstacles and property rights issues to allow the Illinois railway to be built.

Before his presidential candidacy he was offered the position of Chief legal council for the largest railroad in the country.

The architect created another monument in the South.

Free includes debt-free!

I don't doubt it--

as a child I detested the movie--

maybe it was because I didn't like the message, even if it was true--

I wanted to believe the world was better than that? Hard to say; why do children reject some things.

The people in my family and among my friends who loved the movie are sleeping neo-conservatives, while I am economically and politically awake--

*trying to figure it out*

Maybe because William Jennings Bryant lost; maybe because behind all the 'cuteness' was the message of, "the good guys lost"--

who knows?

After all, the other side has prevailed for a very long time--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Its true...

and documented.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.