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Christians under siege

"In Egypt churches are being burned again. This happens there from time to time when there is a national crisis or when a member of the Coptic minority is in a dispute with someone from the Muslim majority. Why? Because being a “true” Arab means being Muslim...

Until the 20th century a Christian who lived in an Islamic country was far better off than a Muslim who lived in a Christian land. All this changed in the modern age. The West adopted a standpoint of religious tolerance and blurred its Christian identity. The Muslim world, on the other hand, tightened the bond between nationalism and Islamism...

The Christian population in Muslim states is gradually declining. The majority in these countries does not seem to mind, on the contrary. But what’s surprising is the fact that this situation is acceptable to the “Christian” West." Full Article

While being forced to accept millions of third world immigrants, Christian populations are declining in their own countries, as well as the countries of others. Stop the Genocide




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all I see on DP lately is . . .

collectivism.

Most of the things that are discussed on here are completely out of the control of most of *us*.

*I* have no control over what is happening in the U.S. government. I have no control over what the agencies of the U.S. government have done and are doing overseas. I have no control over any other government or its agencies.
I have no control over huge multi-national (globalist) corporations. I have no say in my own church, truth be known. I am a political minority there--

in that I don't accept the left/right paradigm.

As a Christian, the ONLY thing I can control is whether or not I actually follow Jesus Christ. On a minute by minute basis.

I can't save 'other' Christians in foreign countries. I can't even save people of other religions in foreign countries. Or here.

I can take food to the local pantry. I can give humanitarian aid to other sources I deem honest and competent.

And don't tell me that I can vote, and that will change things. I feel like a small twig in the middle of a raging torrent.

This is all just discussion; it's all just theory. Unless *you* personally go to one of those countries and sponsor a Christian family, IF you have the resources to do so, and bring them here to America--

IF *you* are allowed to do so by the PTB. IF you can get into a neighborhood where Christians are being killed. If you can walk past the Muslims who are also being killed--

and bring that family or that person here--

then maybe you can make a difference. Otherwise, it's all just hot air.

And once *they* get here, if *you* can get them here--

what are they dealing with?

Churches that are divided. Churches that preach warfare in other nations--?

Maybe. Some rescue.

Yes, I am becoming deeply cynical about any earthly solutions. That's why, and Christians should understand this, I am 'banking' on trying to follow Jesus.

He did say that. "Come, follow me."

And He ended up dead.

I used to feel a sense of community on here for wanting liberty, even if the government couldn't be changed. I used to feel that this was a safe place for ALL religions, all "colors". I'm not so sure anymore--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Excellent post.

Don't give up.

Just stick to the principles of liberty, which are also Yeshua's principles.

There are 'forces' at work trying to divide the liberty movement, and steer it in the wrong direction. i.e., towards the collectivist 'left'.

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more groupthink

People getting killed is bad, mmmmmmkay? It doesn't matter if they are christians in Egypt, muslims in Egypt, muslims in Syria getting gassed, muslims in Syria getting shot, white people getting clubbed by black people, black people being shot by white people, etc.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Here we go again.....

Stop all this religious they did this... they did that... who are they anyways. Missing a bigger picture here. Everybody fighting each other and children about to be bombed in Syria. Wake the fuck up! Want to find the problem. Follow the money. Every military contractor are laughing there way to the banks while reading these posts.

If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything
-Mark Twain

I won't excuse Muslim

I won't excuse Muslim violence against Christians, but I do think it is telling that the Muslim world provided a relative haven for Christians and Jews until the Zionist movement reared its ugly head and the US started backing corrupt Arab dictators.

I don't know that I would go so far as to use the word

"haven". When the early Muslims overran Jewish villages they killed all the men, sold the children, and kept the women as sex slaves. When Muslims first overran Christian lands, the conquered were forced to convert or die. Then the Muslims realized that they could just take their money generation after generation if they left them alive. The Muslims took sons from Christian families for the Janissaries, which they used to conquer more Christian land. At one point the Muslims of North Africa had a million slaves that they had kidnapped from the Christian lands north of the Mediterranean. Muslims killed over a million Armenians in the early 1900's.

Then, as you mentioned, recent secular Muslim nations kept the violence somewhat in check until the West started destabilizing them, whereupon the burning and killing resumed.

JEW HATER

Glenn Greenwald wouldn't like you very much

you sure about that, Grrrrr-anger?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/06/syria-i...

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Yes, I am Edddddddd

Your link:

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The disregard for our

The disregard for our countries heritage is shocking enough. Obama appointing someone who has made it his life's mission to destroy Christianity, is mind blowing.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/28/Pentagon-Consu...

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/25/mikey_weins...

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
https://www.youtube.com/user/dasruda

No they are not

NSA is done.. it went global.. you don't have to worry about Uncle Sam, you;ve got uncles ALL OVER THE WORLD now.. just look at Snowdenm doing the same thing but for a private company in Russia.. probably teacjing them English as a side job.

Amazing what heros haters wind up with.

Yeah could be that or.....

that christian populations are attacked when their nations are attacked by us either overtly or covertly.

And it's not just christians. Jews who had dwelt along side muslims in Iraq for centuries are now displaced....after we attacked their nation.

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Honey sweet, some of have dwelt in peace for a long, long time

now is what changed.

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global government

and whose going to lead it.. looks to me that Putin has decided that Russia is going to be the big stick for the NWO.. I see nothing to cheer about, and I don't see any peace, least of all freedom, or liberty, under a Russian led NWO global government.

Poor benighted majority

It must be tough to lack the unanimity you crave. Those of us who disagree (or are simply incapable of believing fantasy) are an abomination unto the flock.

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why stop at being an abomination

Aim for the clouds:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EldritchAbomination

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

I'm a Judeo-Christian

and I am hated for it..... In America

No you're not...

First of all, half of the stormfront racists in the entire country are on these race threads right now, so they are disproportionately represented on here.

Second, the other half of Judeo-Christian haters on DP are not American at all.

Most Americans either feel the same, or could care less either way.

Not to mention a good percentage of the haters here are working as disinfo agents for government or corporatist agencies. No doubt anymore about that.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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I am

not Government agent lol. I am a normal 27 yr old.

I mean you're not hated in America...

I wasn't saying you aren't of Judeo-Christian faith.

There are definitely disinfo people on here and I wasn't implying you were one.

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Excuse me, but I'll ask you

Excuse me, but I'll ask you to park your prejudices at the door. It is known and accepted by all here that anyone who disagrees with anyone else is a paid disinfo agent, and no two people can disagree without both of them being paid by someone else. To deny this, you would be affirming that you are a paid disinfo agent, thus undermining your own argument. Thank you.

I wish people would realize

I wish people would realize how dopey they sound when they say Judeo-Christian. This is not a religion, it is a word politicians and and other public figures had to invent in order to avow their Christianity (or pimp it, as it were) without being called antisemitic.

Judaism and Christianity are different religions, with little in common. Christianity may have roots in Judaism, but that's where the relationship ends. Moreover, much of the character of Christianity, for instance monogamy, has roots in Roman culture rather than Judaism.

Judaism itself emerged from an earlier Semitic polyhtheism. Before that, probably some kind of Shamanic ritual. So if we (you) want to label your religion based on sequence or genealogy, we should probably go with American Evangelical-Protestant-Catholic-Judeo-Pagan-Shamanic. Judeo-Christian stops short and does not give a good, complete genealogy. Or, you can just drop the genealogy and identity your religion, which I presume is Christian.

However, if there is a new religion or sect called Judeo-Christianity, which I overlooked, I am all ears.

what

"Judaism and Christianity are different religions, with little in common"

Ya little, ya know, other than the fact Jesus was a Jew, living in first Century Judaism, fulfilling all the Jewish prophecies. Christianity rightly viewed is the fulfillment of everything Judaism promised and then some. You sir have a lot of learning to do.

I would suggest the N.T Wright Trilogy, soon to be 4 books , called (Christian Origins and the Question of God)

Judeo-Christian...

...has seemed to mean, at least to me, that which both faiths hold in common, in overlapping worldviews, such as with the Ten Commandments, recognition of the covenants with Abraham, the Great Commandment which Jesus affirmed, etc.

Earlier it probably referred to early Jewish-Christians, in the 1st couple of centuries of the Church.

That would seem like a

That would seem like a rational explanation. But then you'd hear much more about Islamo-Christianity. The two share much more doctrinally, foremost reverence for Jesus and Mary. Both are universal creeds, welcoming all others without regard for ancestry. Both number billions of adherents. America's Muslim population dwarfs our Jewish population, and the disparity will only increase. But you never hear any such phrase as Christian-Islamic common heritage.

So when you consider the facts, you see that it has nothing to do with simple shared things in common, like the ten commandments. As I said earlier, it is just a way for public Christians to ingratiate themselves with those who set the tune, and tone, in much of the sphere of culture and media, and it is a shameless ingratiation, considering that they receive little else but hostility, mockery and contempt from the other side of the embrace. Which they deserve, of course.

And, did you say "the Great commandment which Jesus affirmed" as a common item of the two religions? I like you Micah! but what could you be referring to? Where does Judaism embrace a great commandment of Jesus?

Not that it should or that I expect it to. But who is kidding themselves here?

The Greatest Commandment...

Although I'm not LDS, I do like this short (couple-minute) youtube they made which answers your question directly:


http://youtu.be/db-lE_f2U5I

Personally, I wouldn't downplay commonalities between my faith and Islam, or any other faith. Those points of intersection are important for our relationships with one another.

I am Messianic Jewish... They are NOT two different religions...

But ONE story. You wrote - "Judaism and Christianity are different religions, with little in common. Christianity may have roots in Judaism, but that's where the relationship ends."

WRONG. That's where the relationship begins, and continues. ROME was Yeshua's (Jesus Christ's) enemy. Yeshua was a Jew. He came not change one iota of the Law (Old Testament) but to fulfill it. Rome co-opted the Messianic Jewish 'Christian' movement, and paganized it. They spun his message, like "turn the other cheek", which was about passive resistance, and "render unto Caesar", which meant 'f--- Caesar', and turned it into a message of submission to power especially Rome's power.

It's just too bad so many Jews don't recognize their Messiah has come, and that so many Christians reject the Jewish roots of Christianity.

"Judaism itself emerged from an earlier Semitic polyhtheism. Before that, probably some kind of Shamanic ritual." - You also wrote

Would you please provide some sort of evidence for this ridiculous, completely non-factual claim?

Your lack of knowledge of either religion, and distortion of the truth of both religions is disturbing to hear on DP. Up-votes of your non-sense are even more so. This comment seems like a result of racist commenters spreading their lies and misinformation non-stop, like it's their job.

And Thanks for down-voting me for stating my religion you hate filled lying neo-Nazi sympathizer.

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Not only did Judaism emerge

Not only did Judaism emerge from an earlier polytheism, but it remains one of the few major religions that is pagan in character, i.e., national, the god of a tribe or people, not universal. That is rare among modern religions. It would be as if the Greeks suddenly revived Zeus, as a god for the Greeks, and then denied all the other gods in the Greek pantheon and denied the gods of all other nations, while retaining for Zeus his purely Greek character and viewing non Greeks as beneath Greeks in the eyes of god. It is an anachronistic hybrid of monotheism and paganism, and for that reason, remains interesting.

You may disagree with the following text, but I copy it from Wikipedia, and so there is a good deal of references to the academic sources for claims made. Disagree with them as you will, they still represent at least a large block of academic opinion, if not necessarily a consensus. You might disagree, but you can't act as if I made it up, or my claims were 'baseless.'

Yahweh
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ɑːweɪ/ or /ˈjɑːhweɪ/; Hebrew: יהוה‎), was the national god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The name probably originated as an epithet of the god El, head of the Bronze Age Canaanite pantheon ("El who is present, who makes himself manifest"),[1] and appears to have been unique to Israel and Judah,[2] although a god Yahweh may have been worshiped south of the Dead Sea at least three centuries before the emergence of Israel (the Kenite hypothesis).

In the oldest biblical literature (12th–11th centuries BCE) Yahweh is a typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior" who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies; he and Israel are bound by a covenant (a feature unique in ancient Near Eastern religion) under which Yahweh will protect Israel, and Israel in turn will not worship other gods.[3] At a later period Yahweh functioned as the dynastic cult (the god of the royal house),[4] the royal courts promoting him as the supreme god over all others in the pantheon, notably Baal, El, and Asherah (the last of whom may have been his consort).[5] Over time Yahwism became increasingly intolerant of rivals, and the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as God of the entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to the other gods and goddesses.[4][5] With the work of Second Isaiah (the theoretical author of the second part of the Book of Isaiah) towards the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and true God of all the world.[5]