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Christians under siege

"In Egypt churches are being burned again. This happens there from time to time when there is a national crisis or when a member of the Coptic minority is in a dispute with someone from the Muslim majority. Why? Because being a “true” Arab means being Muslim...

Until the 20th century a Christian who lived in an Islamic country was far better off than a Muslim who lived in a Christian land. All this changed in the modern age. The West adopted a standpoint of religious tolerance and blurred its Christian identity. The Muslim world, on the other hand, tightened the bond between nationalism and Islamism...

The Christian population in Muslim states is gradually declining. The majority in these countries does not seem to mind, on the contrary. But what’s surprising is the fact that this situation is acceptable to the “Christian” West." Full Article

While being forced to accept millions of third world immigrants, Christian populations are declining in their own countries, as well as the countries of others. Stop the Genocide




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It's clear you aren't Jewish and not getting any of your...

..."information" from any Jewish or academic sources. Literally every single word you just said abut Judaism and paganism is complete and total bullShit.

You quote Wikipedia, which is lousy source, but even so, it does not support your non-sense idea at all. How does CIA owned Wikipedia know things nobody else knows?

I would love to see a Rabbi and/or religious scholars tear that ridiculous non-sense Wikipedia "definition" of Yahweh, meaning G-d. So Wikipedia knows the history and indentificattion / definition of G-d!? What a joke you, and Wikipedia are.

Ridiculous.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

So let me get this straight.

So let me get this straight. Do you actually believe that a CIA agent wrote this article on wikipedia on Yaweh, and littered it with fake sources? Or are the sources also CIA? Let us hear your thoughts.

Here were the first 5 references. The page numbers are even noted. If you believe these academics are wrong, or were misrepresented, you are free to make an argument to that effect.

McDermott, John J. (2002). Reading the Pentateuch: A Historical Introduction. Paulist Press.

Grabbe, Lester (2010). "'Many nations will be joined to YHWH in that day': The question of YHWH outside Judah". In Stavrakopoulou, Francesca; Barton, John. Religious diversity in Ancient Israel and Judah. Continuum International Publishing Group.

Hackett, Jo Anne (2001). ""There Was No King In Israel": The era of the Judges". In Coogan, Michael David. The Oxford History of the Biblical World. Oxford University Press.

Wyatt, Nicolas (2010). "Royal Religion in Ancient Judah". In Stavrakopoulou, Francesca; Barton, John. Religious diversity in Ancient Israel and Judah. Continuum International Publishing Group.

Sommer, Benjamin D. (2011). "God, names of". In Berlin, Adele; Grossman, Maxine L. The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion. Oxford University Press.

Master Pretzel Twister
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CIA edits wikipedia

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/216965

And I can tell you that everything in that Wikipedia "definition" of 'Yahweh' (G-d), is from an atheistic, pseudo-science/conjecture, point of view based on an entirely incomplete picture of history.

In other words... It's non-sense.

Yes, I do believe the CIA &/or their partners, own the global corporation that owns Wikipedia... and they or one of their proxies, is responsible for this ridiculous false definition masquerading as fact, when it is clearly just conjecture on proposed plausible historical origins for the ancient biblical name of G-d, Yahweh.

Nowhere, and in no way, does your little Wikipedia reference directly counter the fact that Judaism & Christianity share the same theology, and the same story. If you are specifically talking about Roman Catholicism, there is a distinct diference, but still, they share the same roots, the same G-d, and same story. Rome just changed Scripture around a bit. Still, that does not nullify any legitimate historical conjecture, based on biblical and other recorded historical accounts that Jesus did exist, in Judea, and was a Jew. There are no texts, or any evidence of Jesus being anything other than Jewish.

So, not only is the Wikipedia 'definition' or whatever it is supposed to be, NOT factual, but you have misapplied it as evidence of your point. Which claims that Judeo-Christian is a BS term. Also, you claim that while they share some similar roots, you claim it is NOT one story and can not truly be interpreted as such. Your claim is false, and I believe I have demonstrated that thoroughly.

If not, oh well. I know what I know and you may learn you may not. I question your faith in any version of any Judeo-or-Christian text. So ends this debate. Because I have my piece, and stated my points clearly enough.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

So you list a bunch of sources but don't try to interpret them?

As if that makes a point.

Do you expect me to read all those books before I respond? I have a book for you, it's called the Bible, read it.

Your books will likely have nothing to do with the point anyway, because...

Just because there are differences between modern Judaism and modern Christianity, differences which were forcefully implemented by the Roman empire over 500 years after the Crucifixion, specifically to "de-Jew" and paganize the Story of the Messiah... Doesn't nullify the origins and over-lapping theology.

In fact, because the Roman Empire made pagan changes and omissions to the Old Testament and what would become New Testament Scriptures, it can (and I believe should) be argued that those changes were invalid. They were lies and deception, designed to co-opt an individualist, non-aggression, libertarian-type philosophy/religion, and hand it over to be steered by the powers of Rome.
And the true story, being the story of Yeshua, Him being a Jew, and the Messiah to the Jewish people. He fulfilled the Jewish prophesy of the Messiah. The Messiah is a Jewish concept. The Messiah will bring gentiles into the fold, into Israel. That is Scripture. That is the Bible. I am a Messianic Jew, as were all Jesus' disciples, all his followers, the "early church", it all Messianic Jewish.

Here is one source for the CIA editing Wikipedia - found it ten seconds -

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/216965

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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yeah?

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
https://www.youtube.com/user/dasruda

Way Too Long

For me to explain.

If this makes you feel better. I am a Christian.

I actually would like to hear

I actually would like to hear the explanation, as I've never asked anyone before. But if it is too much trouble it's cool.

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Short terms

It simply means Jewish and and Christian beliefs together as a whole.

Remember Jesus was King Of Jews. The old testament is from Judaism.

Study the Tanach.

As long as you accept Jesus in your heart, you will be fine. Evangelical, Born again, etc. It really doesn't matter.

I am Christian... sorry to offend others.

Yah but there are no such

Yah but there are no such beliefs as a whole. No two books could be more dissimilar. I realize Christianity views Judaism as a parent tradition in some respects, but they have no doctrinal similarity. Islam and Christianity are like peas in a pod, when either is compared against Judaism.

And, however American Christians (the word not being known elsewhere, as a purely new coinage and American vulgarity) may regard Judaism, Judaism, the parent religion, has no such mutual regard. Every major strain of Judaism regards the offshoot, Christianity, as a shameful episode, and the figure of Jesus with contempt, as despicable.

It's such a bizarre coinage and expresses such historical and theological ignorance, as well as ignorance of present reality, as to be comical. Which comic relief partially redeems it.

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Their

is so much to talk about. I see what you are saying but this would be much better if I was face to face talking with you.

I think explaining the entire Judeo-Christian theology to you...

is a bit too daunting a task for anyone to want to bother with.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Yeah, why would explaining

Yeah, why would explaining your religion to others who were willing to listen be a worthwhile use of your time. It's not as if spreading the good news to others were a duty the faithful. You're saved, and that's all that matters.

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I sense Sarcasm

and I assumed you were already saved.

it could be worse

imagine the hate you would get if you were an atheist....In America.

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the kosher mafia must be enjoying this.

lets go back.

Lets look at the holy wars the christians waged war against islam. Religious wars have been waged for years. But, not all of islam is bad. Its more like a very few. There's over a billion muslims in this world if they where all so evil. It would be hell on earth. There's bad in all religions..

Christians: two types- true and false

'Christians' who engaged in 'holy wars' were not abiding by the basic tenants of Christianity. Even Simon Peter fell for that lie, and Jesus healed the soldier whose ear Peter cut off. Then he warned Peter, "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword!" (Remember, Peter had started the aggression by slicing off the ear of the guard). So the idea is: any faith that claims exclusivity will divide people: some will agree, others will not. The true believer in Jesus will abide by his words: "Love your enemies, do good to those who persecute you ...(Matthew 5:38 - 48)

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

www.dailypaul.com/280083/jesus-christ-vic

I beg to differ with your interpretation of one verse

Mat 26:52 Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

He was not warning Simon Peter - he was reassuring him. He did not tell Simon Peter to drop his sword, to forsake his sword, he command him to put it away.

Jesus was telling Simon Peter that the men who came for Jesus, these men who live by the sword and serve tyranny, they will die by the sword.

That is how I read the verse, I agree with your post as far as what Jesus commands regarding enemies.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

Ok, I can see that he certainly was not

negating the right to self-defense...and you do have a good point, they were 'taking up the sword' unjustly.

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

www.dailypaul.com/280083/jesus-christ-vic

You'll get no argument from me on this.

The, linked, article says exactly the same thing.
Does bad in any religion, now or in the past, justify further evil and persecution?

No doubt

And brought to us by our good friends the Zionists.

Once more, with feeling

for my brothers and sisters under fire. (And thanks to whomever voted this and my original response up! :)

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

www.dailypaul.com/280083/jesus-christ-vic

if you want to see how long its been going on

read http://www.amazon.com/Tortured-Christ-Richard-Wurmbrand/dp/0... The muslem countries aint got nothing on the communist ones.

Why did this get voted down?

and why has no one else cared to either bump or vote up?

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

www.dailypaul.com/280083/jesus-christ-vic