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I long for the day when Christians are free in the USA

I had a vision.

One day, the Christian religion would be built into the founding law of this land.

I had a vision that said bibles would be in every hotel room across this land.

I had a dream that one day, houses or worship of the Christian god would be erected across this land and steeples full of bells would be installed therein.

I had this idea that Christian values promulgated by some person I just made up, maybe his name is Martin Luther or Weseley or some other pasty white dude would one day come to this shore, to America and make it the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And I just wish for once this persectuted people might open up their annual congressional schedule with prayer and I long for the day when people are required to lay their hands on a holy bible, like when they are sworn into congress, thereby to insure that they tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

And I would be so radical as to call for Christian radior stations and netwrok programming and truly massive, multi-million dollar enterprises Oh God I have a vision of Christian broadcasting 24x7x365 in this land of my ancestors and please Oh great and triune God,

One day,

make it safe to be a white Christian on this land that your peopel stole fair and square.

Oh and by the way, beat up the Muslims because they are mud people.

many thanks!

Smudge Pot

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Fine piece

Worthy of Twain.

Saki

The British writer Saki (H.H. Munro) once described a lady of the sort you're mocking thusly:

"She was the sort of Christian who made one yearn for the good old days when Christians were looked down upon, and the looking down was done from the bleachers of the Coliseum." (quoted from memory; I don't recall the title of the story where it appeared.)

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Trying to figure out

Your point with this stupid post .. Seemed like we were a lot more free back then

Granger, I have been following your posts for a long time

Frankly, this is the only one that I actually agree with. You are possibly the most down-voted member on the DP. So, as unlikely as it is for me, I am actually going to give you a big bump on this one. Congrats!

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

I think Dr. Paul would not be happy that you beg for

freedom for just one group and not the rest of the population.

Why don't you long for freedom for everyone?

It looks to me like what you long for is to be able to impose your religious views on everyone else.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Smudge was being sarcastic

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bump--

I have to agree. As a Christian. I suppose I'm a self-hater.

But Christians who want the form without the substance are behind most of the problems in this country.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Powerful piece Smudge Pot.

Amazing how much death stems from the religious everywhere... As always, polar opposite from it's actual teachings and "beliefs".

Killing in the name of... Crazy how "Thou shall not kill" can be twisted by the evil into "Thou shall not kill" unless it enlarges pocket books, increases power or "spreads democracy"... Sad world with an ignored karmic volcano swelling daily underfoot.

Seriously speaking

We do have a vision and a dream, and it's the city that we are waiting for. The incorruptible city, the New Jerusalem, the City of God. And judging by the circumstances, it is coming real soon!

I strongly disagree...

I just don't agree with ANY religion, and particularly Christianity.
As an atheist, I long for the day when ALL religion is gone and logic guides the lives of the people.

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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Really??

Are you freakin joking .. by suggesting that Atheism isn't a reliigon .. It is the worst Religion propagated by idiots

As a fellow human being

I wish you to see the light before it is too late. Before the door of mercy closes on you. Because even now your life and your every breath is supported and uphold by the mercy of the Lord God Almighty.

There was a story about a rabbi took in an old traveler for the night. When they sat down and talked, the rabbi ask him what was his religion. The 100 year old man said I am an atheists and hates things of religion. Then the rabbi said, if that's the case, then you can't stay here, you have to go, and he turned him out. But after the rabbi sat down, God spoke to him, "why did you turn that 100 year old man out?" The rabbi answer, "I can't bear that atheist even for one night!" God answered, "I have bear him for 100 years and you can't bear him for one night?" Then he realized the truth can rushed out and got the old man back and treated him like a brother.

So while there's breath, there's hope and mercy for you! But don't wait till the door closes on this side of eternity and then it's too late. Don't want you to end up on the wrong side of eternity!

tyranny in religion

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst; every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in; but this attempts to stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into eternity."
Thomas Paine

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I could have also taken the time

to correct the spelling but sometimes I just like to wing it out there. Warts and all.

Christian brothers and sisters I didn't mean that to hurt a lot but I surely meant it to hurt you a little.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

To be honest

Most true Christians would laugh at this (I know I did).

In America, we have the right to believe what we want, even the watered down Christianity of America. But the difference between true Christianity and those against it is, we never have to write pieces like this to make ourselves feel better about what we believe (or don't believe) in.

Remember,everyone that says that they are a Christian isn't.

Awesome!

But....but.....Christians need to be persecuted! They insist on being persecuted!

One day, an overwhelming majority of religious people in the USA (over 95%) in the most religious nation on the entire Earth (the USA) will run out of persecution because of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights from the American Enlightenment of old and will need invent new, fun things like the "War on Christmas" and "Because gay people are allowed to live because of the Constitution, we are calling that persecution because it makes us angry" and "If everyone has equal rights to life and liberty then we can't burn witches and atheists anymore and we are going to pretend that hurts our feelwings", or, "Because we can't force your child to acknowledge our imaginary sky-daddy in school we are calling that persecution"

Yes, someday we will live in a nation where finding false ways to be persecuted is an art form.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Actually...

a homosexual couple looking for a Christian photographer sounds more like others are looking to play the "martyr" but that's neither here nor there. (well, it's in New Mexico)

Anyway, I don't think anyone wants to be persecuted, especially the true definition of such. See, you have other countries where it is against the law to be a Christian and people are dying for their Faith.

I find 2 things funny; most that think they know (anything) really have no clue and how the most believe that just because a person say they are Christians, that they really are.

Do true Christians hate gays? No, we don't agree with their lifestyle but we love the person regardless. (sidenote, Christianity has never taught tolerance, but love, which is way more powerful)

Are Christians protected under the Constitution? Yes, just like those that practice Judaism, Muslims, Atheist, etc. etc. What I find amazing is how people use the term "Separation of Church and State" without having a clue of what Jefferson was talking about or talking to. If most people really looked into that, they would use that term with a little more caution.

Are Christians persecuted in the US? In the grand scheme of things, no, but funny how we get grief from those that don't believe, just because. lol.

What I read throughout your post was a lot of assumption that kinda made me chuckle (War of Christmas and force your child to acknowledge God in school), but that's the problem; we get too much of that.

Several disagreements, but of degrees

"most that think they know (anything) really have no clue and how the most believe that just because a person say they are Christians, that they really are"
---That is the "not a real Christian" fallacy. Interpretations of the Bible are just that, interpretations. I fully respect you and everyone else that thinks they have it figured out. My family thinks they are the real Christians. There is just no way to know, at least not objectively. For every reason you might claim supports your claim, there is an equal opposite. Maybe if Jesus had actually learned to read and write it would be less confusing.

It is difficult to address your comment about gay people, but it is clear you don't see reality. There are dozens of Christian groups that treat homosexuality as an addiction or a crime. Anyone that disagrees that two, or more, people that want to share life in marriage and raise children, etc... are against freedom.

The big one is this: NO! "Christians" are not protected by the Constitution. Remember that Ron Paul guy? Individuals are protected by the Constitution. I, like Ron Paul, do not see people as a collective. Saying Christians are protected by the Constitution is claiming the Constitution gives preferred treatment to a certain "type" of person.

"In the grand scheme of things, no, but funny how we get grief from those that don't believe, just because. lol."
--- There is nothing in the enlightenment/libertarian philosophy that protects you from "grief". Making fun of someone or not giving them special treatment is not persecution. You can believe anything you want. But, your belief should not influence me, the laws that effect me, or my government. We live in the most religious nation on Earth and overwhelmingly Christian. Luckily we have the wisdom of the founders like Paine and Jefferson (not "real" Christians) to lead the way.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

How are you doing?

There is no fallacy in saying real Christian. Believe it or not, but as it relates to how a Christian should act, the Bible is pretty cut and dry regarding it, and it leaves little room for interpretation. It's not that I "think I figured it out" but I apply what the Bible say to my life. It has only got muddied through the intellectualizing of it, always looking for the grey between the black and white (and sometimes red). And not trying to put it out there like that, but if you are coming strictly from Scripture with me, it is hard to have a legitimate "equal opposite." Really, if you really read the Bible, it is really that straight to the point about how to live.

How do I not see reality regarding my comment towards homosexuality? Here is the thing, as a Christian, I look at homosexuality as a sin, the same way that I look at getting drunk as a sin, lying, cheating, killing, etc. etc., but (going back to the true Christian thing), I understand that everyone makes their own decisions and I still love the individual regardless. But in this generation of sensitivity, most can't grasp the concept of disagreeing with lifestyle doesn't mean hate. How is disagreeing with an act bigoted? I guess I'm a crackaphobe because I hate what crack has done to the community? *shrugs*

I could have worded the point about Christians being protected under the Constitution a little better, but if you read my whole point, you could have clearly saw where I was going with that. The Constitution gives me the right to practice whatever religion I want (well, it states it because I would live a Christian life even if outlawed). And lol @ "that Ron Paul guy." One quick note on that, Ron Paul did not change my life nor political views. I supported and voted for Ron Paul because he aligned with the view that I've had since a child. (1992, at age 9, is when I began to wanted to learn more about politics and I started by picking up the Constitution but that is another story for another day.). I don't take everything that Ron Paul say as gospel. I agree 100% with the Constitution protecting the individual though, because that was the intent.

Never said that there was anything in the enlightenment/libertarian philosophy that stops people from having nothing better to do..lol. Honestly, I'm not into the enlightenment/libertarian movement. I'm a Constitutionalist who believes in common sense. That being said, no one is asking for special treatment AND how does "making fun" of someone benefits anyone? If people truly believed in live and let live and I can believe what I want, the what was the purpose of this post? You see how that works out? Also, I never said that it was persecution. I understand the fact that Christians can't openly worship in many countries, even dying for the faith. Now that is persecution. As far as being overwhelmingly Christian, saying it doesn't always make it so. Words and actions go hand and hand (think about all of the warmongering "Christian conservative" always promoting war when Christianity speaks of peace.)

On a final note, Paine and Jefferson were Theist (lol) but they understood that each one of us has the right believe what and how we want to.

You left out the best part ...

In the name of Jesus, your beloved son who rejected violence and loved the world so much, he sacrificed himself for me personally, I pray this vision become divine will. Amen!

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