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The Real People Behind War/The Real Costs Of a Syria Strike

I follow as much analysis out there as I can when it comes to this war nonsense and I think it's time more Daily-Paulers open their eyes and see the REAL PEOPLE BEHIND WAR.

Sure there are war mongers like Mccain, Graham, Liebermann , Eliot Engel, John Kerry, and so on. Alot of people would say, Yeah these people need to be stopped, but would that really change anything ?

I have a theory that the real enemy to our liberties and the real people that provoke these ALLIANCES and ENTANGLEMENTS are the Washington based Think-Tanks and NGOs (NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORANIZATIONS ).

Let's dive in here , see the link below:

http://www.understandingwar.org/who-we-are

Please notice their tax exempt status, The Institute for the Study of War is a U.S. 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.

Interesting group of folks to say the least, I saw a name that struck me Kimberley KAGAN!

See her pro-syria intervention article titled "The Smart and Right Thing in Syria" here:
http://tinyurl.com/nhhojzz

Quite revealing !

She appears to be Married into the Kagan family by way of Frederick KAGAN.
http://tinyurl.com/ntbesq5
Who appears to be the brother of Robert KAGAN
http://tinyurl.com/onzba4e

Everyone remember this doozy?

PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY ( WASHINGTON BASED THINK TANK )
The PNAC published a controversial 90-page report entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century".

The report, which lists as Project Chairmen Donald KAGAN (father of Robert and Frederick) and Gary Schmitt and as Principal Authors.

I believe most of you know what that Report called for ,
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

AND THEY SURE DID HAVE THIER NEW PEARL HARBOR, DIDN'T THEY !

Read the wiki here if you have time ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C... )

These people want RACE SPECIFIC BIO-WEAPONS to use in the middle east and elsewhere. Sure they can deny it, but with people like William Kristol who makes appearances on tv to this day , I wouldn't doubt it.

Now these type of Yale educated intellectuals would never abdicate for something of the sort, would they ?

From their Site:
"Research Integrity Policy"
"The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) is a 501(c)(3) organization and produces strictly non-partisan, non-ideological, fact-based research. ISW seeks to promote an informed understanding of national security through comprehensive, independent, and accessible unclassified research and analysis. ISW’s research is made available free of charge to the general public, military practitioners, policy makers, and members of the media."

Oh so they are non-partisan ... YEAAH !
If you ask me it has always been non-partisan to bomb the hell out of places, It fills their Coffers.

The fact is our goverment Hires and employs these types of people to plan and strategize acts of PRE-EMPTIVE WAR and FALSE FLAG AGGRESSIONS.

"In 2009 Kimberly Kagan served on Afghanistan commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal's strategic assessment team. "

I believe these intellecual types are the True Harbingers of doom and its our politicians who do the round about in and out of these think tanks all the whilst getting paid enourmous sums of money for thier ideas of how to kill and maim civilians.

Take a glimpse through this PDF ,

http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Required...

I am sure many intellectuals at this institute spent months compiling this comphrensive STRIKE PLAN.

After looking through and adding up things,

Each TOMAHAWK COST per MISSLE $650,000 !!!

They are calling for a expenditure of $44,400,000.00 for an initial strike !!!!
(bombardment material only)

This is what the warhawks like MCCAIN are calling for !!!!

Then they go on to call for Maintenance Strikes totaling half of that $22,200,000.00!!
(bombardment material only)

Think about how much fuel and man-hours this will total up being.
(any guess-timates 100's of millions?)

America has really gone off the deep end with people like these and our media in control, not to mention the money for this will be borrowed from somewhere or printed out of thin air.

Now something to add here in the end that I came across accidentally.
I reviewed Gordon's Video assessment of the TERRORISTS in syria launching chemical weapons:

Watch here if you haven't already
http://tinyurl.com/nq5x4sz

He states that the weapons were DEPLOYED to the Terrorists from a Jack Kemp Research facility.
Now either you believe what Gordon says or you don't that is not the point of this post,
I can't seem to find much on this research facility (maybe someone can help here?)

Now that name Jack Kemp popped out at me on Robert Kagan's Wiki Bio: (http://tinyurl.com/onzba4e )

"In 1983, Robert Kagan was foreign policy advisor to New York Representative Jack Kemp."
So the Kagan's and the Kemp institute could possibly be linked and if chem weapons or the precursor chemicals were funnelled through proxies to the terrorists this would be heinous on so many levels.

These people have been manipulating our Foreign Policy for DECADES and they are not going to ever stop.

I am sure thier offspring will be brought up and given the privelege of attending YALE and moving into lucrative positions in government and non-governmenal agencies/organizations that breed the foundations of WAR AND TERRORISM.

Will our bureaucracies ever be wiped of this meddlesome scourge ?
I doubt it. Not with the way academia is being run and the traitorous media shills that repeat the given talking points.

Keep your mind open Daily Paulers and use discernment!

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Bump for drudge headline relevancy

current drudge headline
CURVEBALL: WOMAN BEHIND CASE FOR SYRIA STRIKE FIRED FOR LYING

Please read the two articles : if you only have time for one read the 2nd article:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/09/who-funds-syrian-rebel-adv...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/wall-street-journal-el...

I think this is another point here proving my claim that the appointed/elected puppets need the think tanks to move their zionist agendas forward.

Here we have zio-Kerry/Kohn and bomb iran MCCAIN citing this O'BAGY's op-eds , not anyting kerry or mccain came up with on their own but a think tanks employee's op-ed and who knows she is probably CIA for all we know as well.

Another factor proving my point, earlier this week on c-span SUSAN RICE gave a speech about syria at New America Foundation think tank.
The new CEO of the think tank Anne-Marie Slaughter introduced SUSAN to the audience.

you can find a crappy article by her here:

http://weeklywonk.newamerica.net/

Now something near the end of her article popped out at me.
QUOTE:
"I wouldn’t have returned to Washington for a big government job;
nor would I have left Princeton for another university. The singular appeal of my new job as president and CEO of the New America foundation, an independent think tank and solutions platform, is the chance to inhabit that crucial space between academic research and applied policy, the transmission belt that moves ideas to action."

did ya'll get that ... " the transmission belt that moves ideas to action"

so think tanks in this CEO's opinion are the crucial space between academic research and applied policy.

the think-tanks research , obama, kerry, hagel , are supposed to be the people to sell it to the people/congress and then the military/state dept. applies the adopted policies

In the end they are all evil and most if not all outcomes are equally as evil.

do not bomb syria... nuff said.

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Thanks for putting that together ghostdog...

...and I agree with you about the influence of the NGOs. However, as you say we should look behind the politicians to the NGOs, I suggest looking behind the NGOs to see who created them and who continues to fund them. They're the true rulers, the NGOs are just their bureaucracy.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Typical

Instead of naming real humans or real supremist teriorist groups he blames the NGO's other blame the multi national corps, some the central bank corporations, yet others hollywood propagandists. Seldom do I see anyone name the real zionist Rothschild's and their mafia being behind this unwilling to point out that the Zionist occupation of Palistine is a Rothschild plot.

So much safer and distracts from the real guilty culprits to name these non human business entities as responsible as the origination of these genocidle crimes against humanity.

sovereign

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Syria: War of Deception

Ken O'Keefe minces no words as usual in this recent interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p19zE6fRMA

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

agreed

ken o'keefe is pure badass !

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Typical not so much - "by deception thou shall wage war"

Thanks for the input soveriegn! I do agree with you and upvoted

I tried to thinly veil this thread as much as possible and maybe i did too much, Lets face it, the kagans are HIRELINGS as a poster down below stated for the Rothschild criminal zio-cabal empire.

The reason why I went with the NGO angle is because I wanted to get as much input on this as possible from the DPaulers and to not have the thread die so quickly from the neo-conish libertarian factions on here, afterall the point is to get this information out to the open minds.

Dr. Duke referred to obama as a Zio-toad on his wednesday broadcast and I would have to agree, they are all working for the complete domination of the entire human species starting with the entire middle-east or maybe they are ending with the middle east considering much of our government is already dominated.

The bolsheviks revolutionaries are alive and well here in america today.

Lets face it obama was groomed since birth and axelrod has done a swell job of hoodwinking most americans.
Proof here on how the zionists feel about obama
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-12-12/news/081211015...

Naming names , the hollandes , camerons , and obamas of the world are all zio-puppets.
People like richard perle , the kagans , the kristols , they are far more nefarious in my opinion.
As we currently sit here in our armchairs the Zionist dominate our policy and media exclusively , just flip on fox, cnn or msnbc. The war drums our pounding ever so mighty today with Kerry's new friday speech.

The Salesman Kerry " we know that the assad regime has the largest chemcial weapons supply in the middle east " that would be a lie folks considering more than likey it is Israel with the largest stockpile of anything and everything.

Kerry also invoked the imagery of dead children once again claiming over 400+ killed minus the adults.
We will see that number thrown about heavily for the following weeks.

http://www.c-span.org/uploadedFiles/Content/Documents/USGass...
From the pdf assessment report:
"We assess that the opposition has not used chemical weapons."
That would be a lie as we all on the daily paul know and have seen videos showing quite the opposite.

From the pdf assessment report:
"We assess the Syrian opposition does not have the capability to fabricate all of the videos, physical symptoms verified by medical personnel and NGOs,"

Now this is interesting because the label NGO falls at the end of this sentence, which is ultimately the point I have been harping on , the NGOS of the world act as an arm for the agendas and talking points to be created, blustered and dissemenated !

The so called red-line is a bibi nuttinyahoo term given to obama for its purposes of propaganda and look at how it is working so well for them now.

I think the key of my thread should now reflect think-tanks all around the world especially in washington are dominated by zionists that put whats right for israel/rotshchild criminal state first and what emboldens their military contractors coffers.

Here is proof of such FACTS that our govermnert is no longer american in nature.
"Delegation headed by National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror in Washington as US plans its response to Damascus attack"
see webpage here: http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-team-talks-egypt-syria-...

for those interested I would look up jeff gates work on this
http://www.amazon.com/Guilt-Association-Deception-Self-Decei...

interesting fellow, open minds only!

Thanks for the reads and inputs yall!

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

I think they already have dominion over humanity

witnessed by their wealth compared to the rest of humanity. By the fact that they control the money issue in almost every if not every central counterfeit false debt bank.

I think they are now hell bent on the depopulation agenda of murdering 7.5 billion humans. I think Fukashima will do the trick but just to make sure the puppet show will have a war for IzUnReal. It will be a grand trick played upon those who have become the zionists of this new left right paradigm. To think that any real person would have such strong feelings about their religion to murder for it. Just seems like dark ages thinking and not normal comon every day life.

The problem is not about the religons but about those who control the religions. The chain of command leads from the pulpet to the government to the central bank to the Rothschild family and their front men and women and front organizations/NGO's/Corps/think tanks oh lets not forget their illuminati/free mason and other bilderberger/bohemen grove type of fronts.

Every road on the yellow brick road lead to the OZ family.

PS thanks for the above explaination its encouraging to know that more and more people are on to the scam. Leaderless revolt, enlightened disengagement, no is my final answer.

If everyone names names we all have numbers and safety but if everyone uses stealth terms and tactics for fear those who speak out will be made examples of and everyone will have a more difficult time getting rid of this parasite upon humanity. So everyone I come in contact with if they like it or not get a dose of my truths.

sovereign

The Dalai Lama is likely the real power behind the throne.

Since the rulers of the counterfeit world kingdom are all probably acolytes of the esoteric Babylonian religion, including the top echelons of the world's religions, then the Dalai Lama, the leader of Tantric Buddhism, who is the most senior esotericist in the world is in all likelihood the one that all the others answer to. It is noteworthy that the Muslims are the Buddhists' historic enemies and the latter seek the destruction of Islam.

http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Index.htm

The world leaders, whether visible or hidden behind the scenes, are all in symbiosis with the spiritual powers and principalities whose principal function under God is deception and who are leading these men to their own destruction. Their destiny is assured and they have been blinded to this by their own ambitions and lusts seeking as they do the ultimate hegemony and immortality.

P.S. The Supreme Court building in Jerusalem that was funded and built by the Rothschild family is entirely designed with occult symbolism and imagery. My understanding is that this is planned to be the World Supreme Court in due time. This will never happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_Israel

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

A good source.

One of the best sources I have come across for this kind of research is Tony Cartalucci's Land Destroyer blog. He is clear about the chain of command in the shadow government and has laid it out quite quite succinctly in a graphic way in a number of perceptive articles. Here is a link:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk

On the right hand side you will see a list of articles headed Essential Resources. That is a good place to start.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Thanks for the input

I will dig into his research when I have some time.
its been Firestorm of news today! uggh

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

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Naming Names: Your Real Government

*Thanks for the reminder about the landdestroyer site, here is an excellent article:

When dark deeds unfold, point the finger in this direction.
by Tony Cartalucci

This is your real government; they transcend elected administrations, they permeate every political party, and they are responsible for nearly every aspect of the average American and European's way of life. When the "left" is carrying the torch for two "Neo-Con" wars, starting yet another based on the same lies, peddled by the same media outlets that told of Iraqi WMD's, the world has no choice, beyond profound cognitive dissonance, but to realize something is wrong.

see list:
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/naming-names-your-...

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

these people are hirelings--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Yup all

Rothschild controlled yet remarkable dont see that name as owning or controling any of the afor mentioned groups,banks, corps or board members.

The hidden hand.

sovereign

my opinion is that it is the Vatican

making these people believe they are following God and doing God's work, when in reality they are following the wrong God. The Roman Empire is well alive in the Vatican. If they feel they have the Pope's blessing they feel it is justified. The Vatican is pulling all the strings everywhere around the world, notice their silence on all this killing.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Ok then tell me why

The Vat banker is a zionist jew, Rothschild.

http://www.nwdisorder.com/nw_disorder_catholic_vatican_relat...

From this we see that the Vatican owed it's existence to the Rothschild's from this point on.

The fiat compounding debt issue money can be created out of thin air (digitaly on a keyboard) in vast amounts. Enough to own any and everything that can be bought. What cant be bought can be contract removed (the blue or red pill)

These are all fronts to hide ownership. If you had the unlimited power of money createion your problem would not be having enough money to buy anything. The problem would be how to own it without everyone knowing and how to controll it without everyone knowing.

Thats the reason for these organizations many simply created for the purpose to hide ownership and deflect responsibility from the true owners.
Other organizations like the vatican can be purchased bribed or threatened.

The power of money creation needs to be taken from the Rothschild family or humanity may end up extinct from them and their minions.

sovereign

The Papal See is likely a part of the command function.

I believe there are a number of nexuses in the network of control of the world. The Vatican is I believe the religious nexus or more properly, in an operational sense, the Society of Jesus, the Jesuits, who are the Pope's soldiers.

It is interesting that the present Pope Francis is the first Jesuit Pope although he has taken the name of the founder of the Franciscans, possibly as a distraction, or perhaps because the co-founder of the Jesuits was St. Francis Xavier, or perhaps it is a double distraction since many have mentioned the link with St. Francis of Assisi. Although he was born in Buenos Aires both of his parents were of Italian extraction from the Piedmont region of Italy. So the Pope is genealogically from Piedmont.

Piedmont means the foot or Feet of the Mountain. A Mountain is the Biblical symbol of a Kingdom so the Pope represents in symbol the Feet of the Kingdom of the World. [Francis is also very aware of the importance of symbology as witnessed by his statements and actions since becoming Pope.]

In the prophecies of Daniel the final act in the successive world empires is the advent of "the Stone" cut without the aid of hands from a Mountain (the Kingdom of God). This Stone strikes the Feet of the Kingdom of the World and the entire image of the World Kingdom(s) dissolves into dust and like chaff it is carried away by the Wind.

The present continuous Kingdom(s) of the World began with the Babylonian Empire in 607 B.C. This in turn represents the original Babylonian kingdom of Nimrod who built the Tower of Babel. (There is another line in this story linking Nimrod with Esau, who killed Nimrod and stole his ruler's mantle that Ham had stolen from Noah. Esau's descendants in Edom became part of the Jewish nation in 126 B.C. and so part of the modern Jewish State in Palestine. This Jewish State, centred on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv axis, is I believe another nexus in the network of control of the world.)

The word Babel means "confusion" in Hebrew and is the root of our word babble. In the Babylonian tongue however it means the Gate to God. It represents the efforts of men to reach godhood in their own way, to open a portal into the dimensions of spirit by their own efforts. With the cooperation of certain spiritual powers and principalities they have built a counterfeit kingdom to rival the kingdom of God and their plans are now reaching completion. (The true Gate to God, provided by God Himself for us to enter into His Presence, is the Cross and the Empty Tomb of the Lord Jesus Christ.)

However, just as happened at the original Tower of Babel the ambitions of men will be frustrated and the God of Heaven, the Lord Jesus Christ, the one and only Son of God, in his corporate Body of sons, represented by the Stone cut without hands from the Mountain, will utterly destroy all the philosophies, religions and doctrines that underpin the World Kingdom all at the same time together, without distinction, and like chaff they will be carried away by the Wind representing the Holy Spirit and the irresistible power of the Word of God imparted by the immortal, incorruptible sons of God.

I believe this will be a peaceful event, unlike the violence of the World Kingdom(s), since violence only begets violence. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace and His Kingdom is righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit. His Kingdom will never be established by violence.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

The vatican - ?

i will not downvote you because you are entitled to your opinion ,
but really , How many warmongers in congress and in american think tanks are following the preachings of the vatican right now ?

and actually i could have sworn i heard the pope say something recently.

here i did a short search "POPE SYRIA"

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pope-meets-pri...

"Pope Francis and Jordan's king stressed Thursday that dialogue and negotiations are the only way for ending Syria's civil war, the Vatican said."

sounds pretty level headed to me , i will be downvoting you now due to your non-research.

thanks for the comment.

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

SELF BUMP

I would like to add after analyzing the strike plan pdf more thouroughly concocted by Christopher Harmer Senior Naval Analyst Institute for the Study of War,

it appears he calls for at least 370 tomahawks to be used on 6 different airfields,

that cost in bombardment material alone is a whopping

$222,000,000.00
(minus fuel for aircraft, personnel and additional sortie munitions dropped by plane which is not feasible considering the whole of syria is pretty much protected by 500+ S300 MISSILES, not sure how many platforms that is but I am sure they are widely dispersed to prevent any fly over.)

Again if you hear fox news or other reputable(snicker) news sources claim warplanes over SYRIA, it is most likely bunk news.

thanks yall

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

$222,000,000.00

They simply type that amount into the keyboard at the FRB (out of thin air) send a compounding debt note for $222,000,000.00 (compounding) @ x% to the IRS for collection by taxation. Pay or we will put you into a corporate work prison.

Its a win win win for them. They purchase anything anytime and they keep the pupulation in survitude to a false compounding multi trillion FRN debt.

They get to identify the opposition and put them into prison where they can work them as slaves and make more profits.

win win win means to the average honest sovereign human, loose loose loose, or to those few who are aware it means a system of false debt slavery.

sovereign

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A primer. "BBC- Panorama: The war party" in case anyone missed it.


http://youtu.be/jilA-ZeBUI4

buck stops here

every bomb dropped, cell & PC spied, gun sold rebels, tank given terrorist states, dollar given to warlord and backed coup is the sole responsibility of the POTUS. Obama can't pass the buck on this one.

There is only one banker family in complete control

So why do we blame the bankers and hide the identy of the real human owners.

Banks are only one of their many tools of distruction.

Its like blaming the CEO's of multi national corps. Or blaming the FRB. These are not humans. These are tools. Unless you name the real person or persons its meaningless.

If all bankers cause wars. Do these bankers have anything else in comon. A religion a ethnic background. Perhaps all these bankers are from the same Nation or family.
Is there an agenda other than banking occuring through these bankers?

Is there a general of all these bankers controlling and shot calling?

sovereign

Syrian overthrow is not the real goal.

The real goal here is to provoke Iran into a confrontation with Israel so they can take out Iran's nuclear facilities.

The war profiteers have been salivating for an Iran/Israel showdown for some time but the U.S. government didn't want to start a conflict with a sovereign nation to prevent them from obtaining nuclear weapons because that could give legitimate cause for Russia and China to become involved.

The backdoor to that conflict is to provoke Iran to throw the first punch on Israel.

Under it all is a genocidle depopulation agenda of

1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

http://thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

HOw bold to put this in our land, in our face. Lets do the math. 7 billion to under 500,000,000. So 6.5 billion humans must go according to those who promote this agenda.

Its one huge evil puppet show run by Rothschilds using counterfeit money digitized in central banks world wide to create false national debts.

Using claims of debt (false national debts) they institute debt collection.. they frame as tax. Now they can justify any immoral action on the basis of debt collection.

example i hit somone.... everyone says thats agressive attack and I am wrong

example I hit somone and cry out that he owes me and wont pay..everyone says hit him again.

So by claims of debt I justified the immoral action of hitting somone and everyone supported me. Exactly on a grand scale what the Rothshcild family has done to humanity.

sovereign

A couple of other documents to add to the narrative

"A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties" The Yinon Plan.

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article000...

"A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

After these came PNAC...

Bump

Bump & thank you for the deep-dive.

Next step: who is funding and/or sponsoring these think tanks?

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

more than likely not soros

more than likely , likudists gangsters and other war profiteers, with a hawkish agenda, for all we know the drug money romney launders could go to the peoples salaries.

where is romney lately ? , oh yeah he crawled back under his rock.

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL