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Between 2005-2011 49,000 vets committed suicide while maybe 10 people have died from "terrorism"

In six-year period, 49,000 vets took their own lives. (No time for this, we have another war to fight to protect Israel.)

Veterans are killing themselves at more than double the rate of the civilian population with about 49,000 taking their own lives between 2005 and 2011, according to data collected over eight months by News21.

Records from 48 states show the annual suicide rate among veterans is about 30 for every 100,000 of the population, compared to a civilian rate of about 14 per 100,000. The suicide rate among veterans increased an average 2.6 percent a year from 2005 to 2011, or more than double that of the 1.1 percent civilian rate, according to News21’s analysis of states’ mortality data.

Nearly one in every five suicides nationally is a veteran — 18 to 20 percent annually — compared with Census data that shows veterans make up about 10 percent of the U.S. adult population.

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/in-six-year-period...

How Scared of Terrorism Should You Be?

Not very. You are four times more likely to be killed by a lightning bolt than by a terror attack.

September 07, 2011 "Reason" -- How many Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks inside the United States since the September 11, 2001, atrocities? Arguably 16. Egyptian Hesham Mohamed Hadayet killed two Israelis at the El Al ticket counter at the Los Angeles airport on July 4, 2002. On June 1, 2009, Abdulhakim Muhammed killed one soldier at a recruiting center in Little Rock, Arkansas, and Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan killed 13 soldiers during a shooting rampage in at Fort Hood, Texas in November 2009.
Checking the Global Terrorism Database, one finds that an additional 14 Americans were killed in broadly defined domestic terrorism incidents since September 2001. Five died from anthrax attacks (2001); two died in an attack on a Knoxville church (2008); two are suspected to have been killed by members of the Minutemen American Defense group in Arizona (2009); an abortion provider was killed in Wichita, Kansas (2009); a guard was stabbed to death at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., (2009); two died in Austin when a man crashed his light plane into a government building over a dispute with the IRS (2009); and a neo-Malthusian terrorist was shot by police during a hostage incident at the Discovery Channel in Silver Spring, Maryland (2009). That adds up to a grand total of 30 Americans killed in terrorist incidents inside the United States in the last 10 years.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29062.htm




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Your right. Our military is

Your right. Our military is not that large. If 49,000 is correct then the ratio is much higher.Example ...there are only 319,000 active duty Navy....another 100,000 navy reserves......total military is 1.6 million active duty......if 49000 is right then that is a scary big number.

Truth before all else.....it is what will allow us to emerge with dignity and honor.

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If you consider unnecessary deaths, then add these to the total.

According to CNSNews.com’s comprehensive database on Afghan war casualties, at least 1,275 of the 1,844 U.S. troops killed in the Afghanistan conflict have been killed since Jan. 20, 2009, when Barack Obama was inaugurated as president. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-s-watch-39-months-69-p...

So tragic. So sad.

"All of those young lives we trade..."

Let's define our terms ...

... because a failure to define terms has lead to sloppy thinking (or no thinking at all).

"Terrorism" has always been defined as an act of violence against civilians to promote a political purpose. If it is not an act of violence, it is not terrorism. If it is not against civilians, it is not terrorism (government military personnel and government employees are presumed to be competent to fight against violence). If it is not to promote a political purpose, it is not terrorism (promoting religion if it is to get a society to adopt that religion universally would be a political purpose, but we have to know this is why the act of violence was done).

If a gang member from the Crips attacks a gang member from the Bloods, it is not for a political purpose and is not terrorism. Today, people have "dropped context" in that they no longer think about what terrorism really is versus other acts of violence. Much of what people claim to be terrorism isn't even terrorism.

Let's look at the OP examples:

"Egyptian Hesham Mohamed Hadayet killed two Israelis at the El Al ticket counter at the Los Angeles airport..."

Is this terrorism or murder? Might be terrorism, let's give it the benefit of the doubt. That's 1 (maybe).

"Abdulhakim Muhammed killed one soldier at a recruiting center in Little Rock, Arkansas, and Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan killed 13 soldiers during a shooting rampage in at Fort Hood, Texas in November 2009."

These attacks were against military personnel. Not terrorism.

"Five died from anthrax attacks (2001)..."

Might be terrorism, but who did it and for what purpose? Unknown. We are up to a grand total of 6 (maybe, or maybe 0 since we don't know details).

"two died in an attack on a Knoxville church (2008); two are suspected to have been killed by members of the Minutemen American Defense group in Arizona (2009); an abortion provider was killed in Wichita, Kansas (2009); a guard was stabbed to death at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., (2009)..."

These may have been murders, but where they terrorism?

"two died in Austin when a man crashed his light plane into a government building over a dispute with the IRS (2009)..."

Violence against government is not terrorism, because they presumably can defend themselves (even the EPA has a swat team).

"and a neo-Malthusian terrorist was shot by police during a hostage incident at the Discovery Channel in Silver Spring, Maryland (2009)."

That's police killing a kidnapper, not an act of terrorism.

"That adds up to a grand total of 30 Americans killed in terrorist incidents inside the United States in the last 10 years."

It's really far less. And if we take a look at the incidents we are told were terrorist plots that were stopped, virtually all of them were conducted by the FBI, except for the Boston Bombing which was conducted by the CIA (or both FBI and CIA).

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/fbi-sting-operation-nabs-an...

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/terrorist-plot-or-entrapment/

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/terrorist-plot-or-homeland-...

http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/302967.html

The reality is there is virtually NO threat of terrorism, other than by rogue elements of various governments (including the United States federal government), while men and women are being put in harm's way through military intervention with the psychological toll that takes, and they return depressed or mentally dangerous to society, not to mention the corrupting influence it is having on government employees everywhere (police acting like military, TSA agents acting like sex offenders, politicians acting like tyrants), and freedom being destroyed ... in the name of "defending freedom."

It is time to stop the bullsh&t and to call a spade a spade. We have to start by defining terms, such as "terrorist," and "national interest," and "constitutional powers," among others. Otherwise, it's just one emotional whim followed by another emotional whim, which is what tyrants thrive on.

With some of the strongest support for Ron Paul coming from

military or formerly military families, we have reason for concern. These young idealists are taught from childhood that: America stands for what is right in the world, and freedom. They are now seeing the ugly side of our foreign policy, and what they are really being called on to do in America's name. One either becomes hardened with disillusion, or falls in the pit of despair when one's ideal view is shattered. These men and women need our support.

Thank you, Go 213 for this post. We have had our interesting encounters with each other, but I respect your point of view.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Soldiers get distilled water without minerals.

Sixty minerals are essential for normal body functions.

Our soils and foods are mineral deficient. To save your soldier get them mineral supplements at least.

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I am not sure why you got

I am not sure why you got downvoted for that as you bring up a good point. RO and distilled water is actually very unhealthy without mineral supplements. While there are other factors involved in the suicides of soldiers, a lack of essential minerals may be a factor that influences brain activity. If anything, it is an interesting point to bring up.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Im not the best at math, but something seems off to me.

49,000 is a huge number. When it says 30 out of a population of 100,000, is that population only counting veterans?
If it is, then that would mean that there's a shit ton of veterans out there. Correct my math if I am wrong as that is a strong possibility:

30 out of every 100,000 = 1 out of every 3,333.

If 49,000 have committed suicide, then we can multiply that number by 3,333 to get a total veteran population of 163,317,000. That's roughly half of the entire us population which Im pretty positive is not the case.

Again, if I am wrong, please correct me. In any event, it's clear that suicide is a way bigger threat to the US than terrorism.

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19.16 suicides/day X 2557 days = 49,000

That number of days includes seven years worth plus 2 extra days for leap-years over that seven year span. The number of suicides is probably even more than 49,000.

22 veterans commit suicide each day: VA report
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/01/16811249-22-veter...

Thanks.

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Prooves the war on terrorism is working

Boston Marathon was a Mossad acting stunt not terrorism and no one died.. it was fake blood. There are no terrorists only the US tyranny that needs to be takin down and replaced with nothing because everyone in America is smart enough to just get along without military, police, NSA and this illegal war on terrorism, destroying the lives of innocent people who never hurt anyone.

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You are looking at the wrong number. We are the terrorists.

The terrorism has been and continues to be directed against the 49,000 veterans.

"WE" are not

There are terrorists amongst "we", and I am not one.

The terrorists attack American civilians for actions they oppose by our government.

I did not support Obama's campaign, nor did I vote for him; However, I accept the fact, that because I am an American, Obama won the selection, and is MY president. I have the right to not agree with him, and prefer doing that in my participation in the GOP, even though I have my differences with them as well.. it's still a constructive way to stand for my rights rather than harm innocent people as the terrorists do.

We have a legitimate right to 'vet' our presidents if none of...

the other branches of government bothers to do so. Jerome Corsi has done one of the best jobs of 'vetting' this 'Occupant of the White House', a job neither Congress nor the Supreme Court took seriously. So no, I cannot say Obama is my president, since there is substantial evidence that he obtained the office illegitimately. Even if he had obtained it legitimately, there are plenty of just grounds for impeachment, and so that would make Biden the acting president.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

To me

By hook or crook, he is the president of the US and recognozed as such globally.. so even though I rarely agree with him, I am not going to allow him to take my country, by my saying he is not my president.. that puts you in a position of not having a country.

It is better to have the country and legally disagree with the selected president, than to denouce your country by denouncing the president. If you love your country, don't fall for semantics that plant seeds that it's not your country or that you have a country but no president.. you do have a president, even if you don't agree with him.

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Obama is not my president. He is the president.

The GOP is not my party. The GOP is a party. I have no vested interest in Obama or the GOP as they also could care less about what happens to me. I am not in the military, so I do not take orders from Obama. I am not a stooge of the GOP, so their words are meaningless to me also. I listen to and watch what both Obama and the GOP say and do, respectively, but that is all.

Finally, not my government, but the government has been directly involved with the deaths of 49,000 veterans. They have done nothing to stop these people from offing themselves. This government is committing crimes against not the people, by MY people.

Obama is MY president because I AM and American

And I support Obama's position of talking about what can be done to help the Syrians rebelling from a dictator who cut off the internat, forced military police state, put them on curfew and tortured them,, and when they cried out, it upset people who don't like seeing dictators torture and kill their own population..

And then Putin starts sending WMD for Assad to use on his own people, or who Israel? Think Putin wants another war with Israel? Why is it OK for Putin to secure his base, but America needs to leave theirs? Isn't it obvious that this is Putin's opportunity to SHOW THE US how to not entangle yourself in other nations.. or is that restriction just for the US?

As far you're caring less.. unless you are a caring person, then of course, but if you are a caring person, then you need to care more and concern yourself with those cares rather than being concerned about who is concerned about you. NO ONE should be concerned about you but the people you LOVE.

If you really care about suicides in troops, work a hot line.. see if there is something YOU can do to help than expect the government to do it. They won't. It takes someone who cares about those they call MY people.

Wow Granger, have you not

Wow Granger, have you not followed the events leading up to this? The CIA backing of the 'rebels', the atrocities they have committed, the fact there is NO evidence Assad used chemical weapons and it is a completely illogical thing for him to do to given the geopolitical climate, the fact Congress is not debating this, the fact Britain is not even supporting us.

Putin is giving Assad weapons as a counterweight to our constant war mongering and Obama/Bush have financially and militarily weakened this nation to the point that Russia can openly defy us. This is the ME country (bridge) too far.

There are people I love that are deployed right now, if Obama goes through with this they could be on the front lines of WWIII. This isnt some joke, this is serious shit and we could even have mass casualty events here on the US mainland.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Wow, I have followed this from more than your perspective

Even if your perspective is the majority (could be programming).

The CIA atrocities that they are commiting, according to who? Sources that gained your trust by dissing the US and Israel? While you may have your own reasons, is their reasons now more important than your own?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08-22/opinion/ct-edi...

The rebels say they've received no weapons or ammunition. Why don't you believe them? Why are you good but they are bad? Why is Obama bad but Putin and Assad good?

//The rebel groups battling Assad are increasingly fractured and jihadists are flooding the country.//

Do not confuse the rebels, who are rebelling against a dictator far worse than Obama, with Jihadists who are taking the opportunity to slaughter the rebels for Assad and Islam.

Wow, you have it twisted. The

Wow, you have it twisted. The rebels in Syria ARE the Jihadists that have been given weapons by our own government. Remember when McCain had his photo op with some guys that kidnapped 11 religious pilgrims.

http://www.juancole.com/2013/05/mccains-questions-syrian.html

Do the 'good' rebels have special ID cards so our gov. knows to give them weapons? No. Our government has an agenda to overthrow the Assad regime and will attempt to do so using clandestine means despite the consequences. Why would Assad be tolerant of Christians living in the country then suddenly when he is in the geopolitical spotlight decide to bring in gangs of religious extremists to run amok in his country?

Putin and Assad are not saints, but if you count how many countries that have been bombed by Syria, Russia and US the scale will tip heavily in the US side under Obama.

Further, Syria is a flashpoint due to treaties they have with Iran and this is in Russia's backyard. If China was funding rebels and then wanted to bomb Vancouver, BC you know damn well we would be involved and act as a counter balance.

If Syria was important to US interests and we had a valid reason for military action we should have Congress debate it and declare war per the US Constitution, not a unilateral action by our president. WWI started with a flash point which quickly escalated, today world politics is far more intertwined and the weapons capabilities far more devastating, even reaching the US mainland.

Granger, tell me right now that you support Obama despite him circumventing our Constitution and that you think removing Assad is worth possibly starting WWIII and mass casualties of Americans because that is what you are implying.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

No they are not the Jihidists

If you know the history, when Assad came into power, he became a police state, he shut don the internet, he was worse the the YouTubes you see of what's happening here, and he was killing his own people who rebelled against his crackdown (selling out Syria to the NWO).. At first, people who saw the crackdown and don't want a NWO for Syria, joined them, there are refugees, mained, disabled and people killed Assad started with killing protesters. How would you like it if Obama started killing protesters.

Because of the dynamics, the religious aspects, the Christians have seen governments come and go, so they will appease Assad, other Christian Churches who appease Assad, small churches with natice communities, comparible to Baptists Churches in the South, standing with the government, it's like me standing with Obama on this.. He is my president.. Assad is their president, we enter the new enslavement without rebellion..

This pissed some rebellion groups off because the Churches were not standing for the people, as they thought they would, they are standing with the government, which has hurt them. Where is God for the people? The sheep come running from the slaughter, the Church says, I will pray for you...

Jihadists are from all over coming to Syria to fight for Islam, which Churches are a target also.

Obama does not want to go to war. Israel is not asking Obama for help. The UN is not asking Obama for help. Obama is testing the people of America? Do they want me or Assad? You are standing for Assad over Obama.. Assad is worse than Obama. So really, MSM and YouTube have programed you to trick you into siding with the "devil" you don't know than with the "devil" you have.

Iran, Russia, the UN, America, France, need to let go and let Israel. Syria needs to work out the problem.. the NWO does not need to work out the people who hoped for a better Syria, but instead got ASSAD HELL. If the Jihadists are killing rebels then isn't that like Assad having two fists against his people? One from the military and the other from Islam Authority. Is this any way to run a country?

You think it is.. beats what's Obama doing. What's that? What's Obama doing? He's talking. MSM says WWIII.. MSM is FOS.. lesten to what Obama and Kerry say for yourself.. neither has said they would attack.. just crossed a line.. Is MSM setting you up for ASSAD HELL?

About my supporting Obama.. ever see a list of acts and bills? Ron paul was known as Dr. KNOW, but he had his "Yeses" (especially when it came to pork for his district).

My suuport for Obama's issues are mostly NO's, I have my yes's, like this one, believe I have a say because this is my country, I didn't vote for him, but, he is my preident, and I agree that the innocent Syrians abused by the NWO under ASSAD HELL needs help, if not.. so goes Syria, so goes America.

You really are clueless

You really are clueless aren't you? Obama is a treasonous, lying criminal. He is not MY president, not should he be anyone's who has more than two brain cells to rub together.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

You wish, don't you?

Obama is my president and while I do not agree with him on all issues, despite your unproven claims aginst him, in this case, he is for once representing the interests of the American people caring for people, not US Inc, in the name of the people.. but people are so made at all his representing US Inc., they can not see him now, as he is not.. but being a presient who is stipping up to defend the rights of those who rebel a crule dictatorship that did and does to Syrians, FAR WORSE than anything done by president Obama and US Inc, here.

To call yourself an American and not respect the president under any terms, despite disagreements, is unamerican.. You think about Obama, the way the Syrian rebels think about Assad, yet, Assad has done far worse than Obama.. and you cheer Assad? Talk about being short on braincells.. rub them on that.

Granger...

Sometimes I love you and sometimes I'm speechless.

It's ALWAYS one extreme or the other.

This time I'm speechless (and yes I know you are being sarcastic).

I don't buy into the whole Boston marathon bombing was fake, but seriously?? This PROVES that the "war on terrorism" is working? I don't buy into that, either...

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

AngieDfromAL

I'm not selling you anything. I'm sharing my perspective, which I am open to constructive criticism, I just don't see any.

The war on terrorism's ,easure is the proof of lack if attacks. You may not see it that way, but the MIC who is more powerful than you and me, and has the ability to control MSM, does see it that way. To disreguard how your opposition operates is not their fault.

PS, I hope that the eulogy you gave recently succeeded in helping put into perspect of someone who was deeply loved by all there, peace in this time of mourning.

Granger

I don't necessarily think you are trying to sell me anything, but you can not prove a negative... that's like saying that I haven't been struck by lightning because of the NSA snooping (I know... that's a bit extreme).

They haven't actually provided any proof that they have thwarted any potential terrorist attacks with this "war on terror" that the FBI wasn't all up in the middle of, actually providing the means necessary for said attack, anyway, have they? Have I missed something?

Do you not think that our intervention breeds future terrorists? How long do you think we can continue down this road without some incredible financial repercussions? We are almost $17 TRILLION in debt, with our military interventionism/war on terror being the biggest cost to the taxpayer, both from a financial and freedom standpoint, by a really wide margin.

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ETA: I don't think that the war on terrorism easing is proof of a lack of potential attacks... I think it's proof that it doesn't have the support they would like to see or the funding to keep it going at it's current rate. I also do not necessarily think it's easing up... I think they are just changing their tactics to give that appearance due to public outcry, in other words, I think it's just political theatre. JMO

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

AngieDfromAL

Neither Kerry or Obama have said anything about attacking Syria. They have both reported how they see the situation, civilians being tortured, murdered, gassed, civil war for over two years, with Putin making thermo nuclear threats.. and MSM twist that into the US is going to attack.. that's not what Obama or Kerry have said, that's what MSM YouTube propeganda, sensationalism, entertainment, for those who don't actually get past the headline. Alot of people don't get past the headline.

The proof is the lack of numbers of deaths due to terrorism.. it works.. there's far fewer deaths.. people are in prison indefinately and it's worth it to keep up what you might want to think as an illusion.. as long as they have the power, their illusion is going to continue to have the helm in the control room, no matter what you, me or anyone says.

I think we're about to meet the NWO, and I wish as a nation we would be headed in the same direction as Israel, who has stayed OUT of the Syrian civil war, rather than become like Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Syria.

Before I respond...

Did you happen to see Obama's speech on what's happening in Syria and the action he plans to take from earlier today?

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

The one where Obama asks for a strike?

Only if congress approves?

it's pretty apparent congress won't pass, which is wrong.. what they should do is take that opprtunity by laying out plans, alternatives for Obama to sign.. be great if we could work on restoring the constitution and let Israel handle it, don't do anything unless they bomb Israeal.. Israel can take care of its self.. so they should show that we care about the rebels because they have better reasons against Assad than anyone has against Obama.

Obama should write up US emancipation from the UN..

I've been searching here's a good vid about what Syria is like.. would you want this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yazHyaqRcQ

Another perspective.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsM1nO9PVkg

Looks to me, most the YouTubes and anti-rebel