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Obama Speech on Syria 8-31-13: No Congressional Approval Needed for War He Claims

Link thanks to goldenequity:

http://youtu.be/uL-ugOSbAjg
My jaw literally dropped. I know he thinks that, but I can't believe he actually said it so bluntly. He said he had the authority to go to war without the approval of Congress (never mind an actual war declaration), but he would humor them and ask their opinion anyway. At the end of the speech, when a reporter asked if he would still go to war if Congress's opinion was in the negative, he just walked away from the podium and went back into his palace.




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Except if he does it anyway

Except if he does it anyway after congress refused to approve it, it will look very bad. In fact, something has to be done at that point or it sets a dangerous precedent that can not ever be taken back.
Before now, the presidents have kinda skirted around the edges in many cases without directly doing something congress wouldnt approve.(to put it simply) If he does something that is directly in opposition to congress, that will just force the issue to the front for something to either be done about it, or god help us, nothing done.

Really, the problem here is that it falls to the top generals to either obey the president, or obey congress. If the generals wont listen to the president, he cant order anything to happen. As of now, the top military brass seem to be soley following what the president says and thats it. Thats actually kinda scary.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Yeah, well put Obama in with

Yeah, well put Obama in with the best of them that did that already; Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt...

This is what happens when you grant a group of people power over others. You want the constitution back? Then get used to this happening.. Wake the fuck up...

'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

Einstein-

The "constitutional scholar"

The "constitutional scholar" thinks he's an emperor, a dictator, and unfortunately the GOP leadership does not have the guts to do anything about it. They're too afraid of being branded racists by the lapdog media, thus ending their own careers.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

Exactly, they are spineless

Exactly, they are spineless cowards that won't or have the balls to confront a dictatorial president.

No congressional approval is needed

for millions of americans to surround the white house and drag Obomba and his goons out and string them up from trees.

Well said, they should of

Well said, they should of done that a long time ago.

It literally says right there in the discription

"A 3 Tonne bomb explodes at Meng air-field base inside Syria. The FSA carried out the attack on a government controlled area."

So that's not really Assad's army's doing, is it?

Yes

The way I see it, when Assad began open season on Syrians who were not willing to be completely under his control.. he has the heaviest equipment and he's using it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m48s4CDiHvA

granger you are so full of

granger you are so full of shit, you are stinking up DP!

Ron Paul 2016

And....

First of all, not even sure that is Syria. But, more importantly, it is evidence that it is a civil war. We have not part in it.

You have Asaad who is not exactly a peach of a man, but at least he is modern and secular in his rule. Versus a bunch of religious nutballs that aren't even from Syria, are beheading and committing massacres against Christians, and are backed by US.

Oh... I forgot. You don't care. You only care about Jesus' landing pad in Jerusalem.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Why does Russia have part in it?

Russia's freedom to occupy and trade is better than US, even though Russia is supplying WMD to use on rebels,, you know, people like Obama haters, but they are rebelling Assad, who is worse than Obama.

Assad murdered protesters, shut down the net, turned off electricty, had military and police brutality.. Assad created this rebellion by his dictatorship. Apparently, he really wanted to blow Syria up, and he is, and what CORPORATE BUSINESS makes Russia so much better than the US, or China being in the US if Obama killed protesters this weekend, shut down the internet and started a police state FEMA campas, right over there---->FEMA Assad Style (blame it on the people).

I care very much and understand that Christians have it the hardest, first, Assd doesn't want them there, but they hoped that sucking up to Assad and kissing his dictatoship foot in the rears of Syrians, the Syrians might not notice or care, that they could not run to the Church for help.. the Church had an affair going on.. so the rebels attacks those they felt betrayed the people, and the secind whammy is the Church attracts Jihadists, who believe blowing up a Christian Church is a great honor.., and for Assad, he lets the rebels and jihadists do what he wanted to do himself.

I'm not worried about Israel, it's the only country that can focus on it's mission to her people and work to THRIVE while the rest of the world burns in hell and blames each other, wishing Israel would do something, so they can blame Israel instead of face reality and take responsibility.

Not saying you're wrong, Granger,

but I must know where you get your information. I have to understand why people on this website hate you that much.

I honestly would like to know.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

My LOVE for Israel brings out HATE in people.

I find it beneficial researching and exploring Israel, gives me a new perspective, which many here do not appreciate..

When I thought zionists and israel were the problem, they loved me.. when I found out that Israel is the hope.. many don't get it, and others have their personal issues and pet peeves, and others have their own agendas.. and the world turns.

Which parts of Israel specifically?

Do you support Netenyahu/Likud party's foreign policy?

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Yes, I do

I'm impressed with it, and don't buy a lot of conspiracy about it, but rather, look at it objectiviely.

Israel is thriving.

The rest of the world is wondering if we're about to see WWIII.

Is Israel policing the world?
Is Israel threatening to bomb anyone?
Is Israel at war?
Is Israel declining?
Are Israelis blowing up places and people?

I see allot of accusations, but I also see that Israel is thriving, and people don't thrive when they are in termoil.

So we want to thrive or sustain turmoil and tyranny??

Do we want to be like Israel or Syria? Who is Israel passing out tax dollars to? How is it they are freeer than we are?

Alright, so we're getting somewhere.

Do you believe Israel has a right to own nuclear weapons without signing the NPT?

I really don't want to get into Pakistan vs Israel with you, but it's almost going to be inevitable. We can try, though.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Yes

Yes, I believe Israel has the right because Israel has so many genius that could figure out how to build one, they have more then enough to discourage anyone from building another nuke and doing something constructive.

Pakistan is another issue,, and I've watched some interesting movies from Pakistan about the life and culture there.. it was estabished the same year as Israel.. and has had far more turmoil.

I don't understand that logic:

"they [Israel] have more [nukes] then enough to discourage anyone from building another nuke and doing something constructive."

So you're saying it's okay for Israel to have a nuke because it will encourage others in the region to do "something constructive" instead of building a nuclear weapon?

Not trying to sound rude, I just need to be very clear with you before I respond.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

OK

Israel has many geniuses and the state provides a many opportunities for inventors, producers, .. Israel wouldn't have to steal anything from anyone, they would make their own nukes.. to use in defense.

"Israel has many geniuses"

Alright, I can't disprove that.

If Iran has any "geniuses" like they do in Israel, according to your logic, wouldn't it be okay for Iran to develop nuclear energy to provide more efficient power to their people if the Iranians elect to do so as a Country?

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Yes

Yes, because like Israel, Iran would be unable to stop it coming from a grassroot level.. and here's the thing.. for Israel and the US, I think especially since Fukashima, they are closing down nuclear power plants (Israel has come up with creamic solar, much better than silicon,, so I think Iran will get nuclear power. Israel bombed Iran's nuclear plans once before..now they'll be able to target it from space with lasors.

And what's more... I think there's going to be an exapnsion of Israel.. I think the wars being played are going to wind up being an expansion of Israel, because at this point, so many people in the ME have seen what Israel is doing, and it's inspiring, and they want that.. they want to advance, and those who do not, religious and people who have it made as it is, that's the basis for the conflicts.. 1.2 million Jews seeking Amnesty in Israel.. so I think Israel is going to get Golan Hightes. I think Syria will be divided, free Syria by Israel, and police state Syria that will protect the pipeline from Iran to Syria for Russia.

They'll get the pipeline.. and Iran will get nukes, and Israel will expand, if not become the new hub of the world because it has so much coming out of it that advances humanity. I think, to advance the US and get to thriving, we need to be adopting some of the innovative based economic structure Israel has.. it's working.. thriving.. shows us how to rebuild a better detroit.

Hang on a second though. Bomb Iranian nuke plants? Why?

"Now they'll [Israel] be able to target it [nuke plants] from space with lazers [sic]."

Why would Israel bomb a nuclear power plant in Iran if the sole purpose is to make power and not bombs?

Further, why is it Israel's concern if the Iranian's and Syrian's want to build a pipeline to compete with BP/Exxon and all of the other oil companies? Isn't it the Syrian's right, along with Iran's, to build whatever they want in other Countries, so long as they follow International Law?

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

OK

Israel has many geniuses and the state provides a many opportunities for inventors, producers, .. Israel wouldn't have to steal anything from anyone, they would make their own nukes.. to use in defense.

My LOVE for Israel brings out HATE in people.

I find it beneficial researching and exploring Israel, gives me a new perspective, which many here do not appreciate..

When I thought zionists and israel was the problem, they loved me.. when I found out that Israel is the hope.. many don't get it, and others have their personal issues and pet peeves, and others have their own agendas.. and the world turns.

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"Assad murdered protesters, shut down the net,....

"turned off electricty, had military and police brutality.. Assad created this rebellion by his dictatorship. Apparently, he really wanted to blow Syria up"

Replace the name Assad with Obama and those sentences become pretty close to reality. Why do we have 900 bases in a 130 countries?

OK?

First of all, not sure I got all that. Read a little like gibberish. But, I can see your point about Russia's relationship with Syria.

But, what you seem to be saying is that since Asaad is a bad guy, and trades with Russia and China, that we should pick sides in a civil war (even though AlCIAda isn't even Syrians), bomb them and kill civilians and burn the skin off those nasty little brown Mooslim babies.

Got it.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

No

The US should make an issue about Putin and Assad to the UN ICC, and demand peace or prepare to leave the UN. Take Israel's lead, they have the power and tech, people to defend themselves.

What jmake Assad a bad buy is not who, but what he trades with and what for.. rockets to take out who, his people or Israel?

Shouldn't Russia stay out of the war, and if not, why should America stay out of places where they ahve an investment?

What makes Russia so special?

You still haven't answered.....

"Take Israel's lead, they have the power and tech, people to defend themselves." -- So does Russia, the US, England, India......You point?

"What jmake Assad a bad buy is not who, but what he trades with and what for.. rockets to take out who, his people or Israel?" --- Again, and??? What business is it of ours? You just said Israel can defend itself, so why are we there?
(so Jesus has a landing strip)

"Shouldn't Russia stay out of the war" -- That is their problem

"and if not, why should America stay out of places where they ahve an investment?" -- America does NOT have an "investment" in Syria. American Corporations have investments. That is a huge difference. I couldn't give two sh!ts what corporations lose from their investments. If you are talking about installing dictators and foreign aid - that is the interventionist BS that got us here. That is not "investing", that is "controlling" so the corporations make money off of the military industrial complex.

So....still.....why are we supposed to drop bombs on little brown children? (Other than their parents believe in a different magic sky-daddy)

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Russia is entangled is wars

IDF focuses on defending Isrel, not the world.

Russia is supposted to drop bombs on little brown people and that's their problem? Why, are they doing a favor for you?