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My 15 Year Old Son Wants To Join The Airforce

My husband served in the Marine Corp. during and after the Gulf War. I am a proud wife. Semper Fi. I have much respect for our men and women in uniform.

My son wishes to follow suite and make daddy proud. He would like to go through ROTC and become an Airforce pilot. While I am proud, I am also scared to death of my son fighting in these unconstitutional wars and one day being sent home in a box.

I wish for some insight. Is anyone on the DP currently in the AF?

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make daddy proud

I admire that but I would advise him to give some thought as to other paths in which to accomplish this.

I fear our military is not performing its intended duties and once you are in it you must live with this reality. You do as your told. That can be emotionally, mentally, and spiritually devastating.

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He is an adult ...

or he will be when he finally decides.

Offer your opinion and then tell him that you are his mother and you love him unconditionally.

Give him a big hug, shed a few tears, and then let him open his wings.

You gave him those wings along with the strong roots and foundation with which he will enter life.

That is about all that needs to be said.

God Bless.

"Adults"

The human brain is not fully formed until well into the mid-twenties. One of the last regions to develop is the part that says, "Woe, hold on!" to rash impulses. That is why auto insurance for young men costs so much. It is also why the armed forces prefer the young ones.

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If you have a 20 year old son ...

I feel sorry for him.

And for you.

No wonder why family members become estranged.

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Enough of you rhino, for the last time

It is no wonder why DPers become estranged, either.

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Not a smart nor an ethical decision


Does your son want to used (or abused) as cannon fodder for the purpose of enriching Big Bankers and War Profiteers?

Does your son wish to see innocent civilians, children, women get slaughtered and tortured (who had nothing to do with the 2001 event), and have blood on his own hands?

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Why would anyone choose to be a participant (or a victim) in the insanity, treachery, and mass murder of our U.S. Foreign Policy (after Vietnam, CIA disclosures of the 1970s, Iran-Contra, Iraq I, Iarq II, Afghanistan, Abu Grahib, Libya, Drones, NSA, etc.)?

There is no honor in taking part in these horrible lies, and War Crimes.
There is no victory at hand.
There are no finite and worthwhile goals involved.
There is no true self defense at stake.

It is unethical, and also quite damaging to oneself either psychologically, or physically (or both), and also spiritually.

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What if they held another WAR and nobody showed up?
This is the way that all Americans need to finally start thinking.


REJECT U.S. Foreign Policy.
Just Say NO!




You know what? He's a 15 year

You know what? He's a 15 year old boy. You wanna trash a grown man...fine. But he's 15. How about cut him some slack as I'm sure somebody once did for you.

I was not trashing your boy...


I was not "trashing" your boy, (so you can relax). I was trashing U.S. Foreign Policy, and the perpetual, Worldwide, 24/7 War Crimes it orchestrates. It is out of love that I am trying to warn and steer him clear of this. Hopefully, you can understand the difference.

But it doesn't matter what age someone is.

Why would they (or you also) ever accept or agree to participation in this insanity, deceit, and mass murder of U.S. Foreign Policy -- at any age?

If you care about him, you'll do everything you can to try and stop him from being yet another victim, or yet another brainwashed puppet.

The only way we will ever get to having a peaceful World, is if all Americans finally wake up one day, and recognize that this Military system is just not healthy (or honest), and stop willfully participating in the corrupt Institutions of the U.S. Empire (which is really a globally managed Empire designed by profiteering Bankers and Corporate War Profiteers).

What's wrong with a positive (civilian) career for your son instead?



"If you care about him,

"If you care about him, you'll do everything you can to try and stop him from being yet another victim, or yet another brainwashed puppet."

Precisely the reason I posted this thread...back in September.

I came here to gather facts from people who have served.

Amen.

Amen.

You acknowledge that our wars

You acknowledge that our wars are unconstitutional. Unconstitutional means illegal.

Based on reading some of your other comments it seems that you are educated about our constitution but at the same time a bit confused. How could you have the understanding that some action is illegal/unconstitutional but be supportive of it at the same time?

Our soldiers take an oath to uphold and defend our Constitution. They also have a legal obligation to disobey unlawful orders as per the military code of justice (that part established after the Nuremberg trials where soldiers said they were not responsible for their actions, because they were "just following orders.") Even so, people join the military anyhow and still obey orders to carry out unconstitutional / illegal wars. Nearly all of them do not know better. I speak to many, with the vast majority not having a clue about any of this. You do know better. You know the wars are illegal/unconstitutional.

You mention in another comment that you "spend a lot of time teaching your son about the Constitution." What are you teaching him by being supportive of his potential future involvement in wars that you yourself admit are unconstitutional/illegal?

I realize you are in quite a difficult position and want to do right by your son. Hopefully you posted your question here to the DP with the understanding that you might receive honest answers which you might not agree with.

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I need to clarify something

I need to clarify something here. When I say I am proud of my husband I am proud of him as a person. What kind of wife would I be if I were not? I would never shame a man who vows to die for another. And while some here will spit at our men and woman in uniform...I have nothing but love.

There are a lot of assumptions going on today. I'm not sure if anybody really read what I was saying. Rather I think people here enjoy every opportunity to trash others. I came here with a question and received a bunch of flack. It's quite sad if you ask me. I was ridiculed and called a whore and told I am a failure as a parent.These people are no better than my local GOP....in fact they are worse.

Wanna know what's going to kill the Liberty movement? All of the hatred these people spew.

Wow! I never saw that movie

What a hell of a scene. Would make a good topic post.. very profound message. I'm going to have to watch the movie.

THANK YOU John Robb. wow.

As an Air Force pilot

He would probably be the one sending people home in a box. Air Force pilots haven't had any real competition in the air since the Cold War and even then it was still pretty likely that the US Air Force was way more bad ass than the Russian Air Force.

Just educate him on everything you can about the constitution and about the wars that we are fighting that are undeclared and let him join. Who knows maybe he'll be a John Connor type figure. Instead he would be trained with liberty and recognize tyranny among the ranks.

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    So true. I would rather have

    So true. I would rather have a bunch of Liberty folks in the ranks of the military than anyone else!

    I had a childhood friend...

    who went through officer training in college and flew for the AF. His ultimate goal was to be an airline pilot, and at the time airlines didn't want jet-jockies...they wanted pilots who flew big lumbering cargo planes. So, that's where my friend steered his flying career...he traveled the world flying C141s, did a couple years flying a Lear or something taking Generals and Senators around...and has been a Captain with Delta for over 20 years.
    Perhaps your boy should do some research on Emery Riddle in FL...perhaps his interest in planes isn't just flying.

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    Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

    "The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

    Educate him in whatever way you can

    but allow him to make his own decisions.

    Here's a great documentary I can recommend to show just what it means to "serve" today.

    War On Our World


    http://youtu.be/X37lKBENIgw

    "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

    Cooler heads will prevail.

    Cooler heads will prevail. Thank you for your input.

    Very true.

    Don't kids tend to do what they are told not to do? They are coming into their own sense of freedom and making their own life decisions. The best we can do is set an example for what educated and well informed decisions look like regardless of the topic at hand.

    "You know, fighting for your country today may not be what it was when your dad served. Let's watch a movie about what many people see it as today. Maybe it'll help you decide with more clarity."

    No pushing, no freaking out, just one human being communicating with another. Perhaps he'll see that there is a bigger fight happening off the battlefield and in the hearts and minds of humanity that he'd feel more moved to participate in? Or not.

    You are very welcome. Godspeed.

    "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

    Ya. At 15 I don't think he

    Ya. At 15 I don't think he sees the whole picture yet. He does get bits and pieces of it though.

    During the elections I bought some Ron Paul bracelets. He "stole" them from me and wore them to school. Gave one to a friend. I was very proud of him. For a kid who didn't seem all that interested in politics...he surprised me.

    Also, after the rash of mass shootings my son was telling me that they were discussing guns in one of his classes. The teacher kept repeating talking points about the AR 15. My son set him straight. The teacher actually emailed me and thanked me for keeping an open discussion at home. He said he enjoyed the debate and was glad to see my son speak up. Good teacher.. Unfortunately not all teachers are as open as this one and it could have gone the other way.

    Anyway, I do my best as a parent. I'm far from perfect. While I want my son to understand the world....I also have the tendency to want to protect him from the evil within. Unfortunately the world we live in is a very depressing place. He is still a child and I don't want to take away all of his joy. I don't want him to end up an angry 30 year old posting hateful things on the DP.

    I spend a lot of time teaching him about the Constitution. I think this is a good start. The rest will hopefully fall into place. You know...there is still a lot of great things about our country. Isn't that why we are fighting for it?

    At 15, he sounds quite bright for his age already.

    Also remember, kids are growing up with the internet and free-flow of information unlike previous generations. That's what gives birth to healthy debates and conversations.

    The world can be depressing if that's the majority of what we're focused on whether by our own will or what the media spoon feeds us repeatedly. We've got a built up momentum of negativity which makes the negatives far more vivid to us than the subtle yet abundant beauty the world is waiting for all of us to rediscover. Today's youth is doing just that.

    If you don't want him to see the depression, show him the joy. If you don't want him to be an angry 30-year-old poster on the DP, set the example of the opposite. You're influence on him has more to do with what you do for yourself than what you can do for him. He'll make up his mind and he'll make his mistakes and experience the lessons this gift of life has to offer us all.

    As much time as you spend teaching him, allow him to teach you as well. Kids are "hitting the ground running" in areas many parents feel they are falling behind. They won't have the same overwhelming mechanisms of propaganda and lies previous generations have grown up with and are now trying to sort through. No matter the age, we are all going through this time of "revelation" together.

    I'm not just fighting for the US—I am Canadian after all—but I am fighting for our mutual planetary home. I believe Chris Hedges was quoted as saying something along the lines of, "We cannot achieve Homeland Security until we realize the entire planet is our Home Land." I can resonate deeply with that sentiment, however difficult of a perspective that may be at this time. But, nonetheless, it is True. Invisible lines drawn on pictures of this planet are blurring more and more and we are beginning to see a Global community emerging driven by Truth and Love for this place we all call Home.

    "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

    Perhaps your husband could help convince him...

    Also, he doesn't have to be convinced quickly. You a couple of years at least to work on him.

    The glory needs to be removed from it. A commenter below suggested reading War is a Racket. That would be a good start. Everyone should read that book anyway.

    My husband actually loved the

    My husband actually loved the Marine Corp. he worked on the harrier on the ship. But he doesn't support the wars we are in.

    This letter I read here in the past seems relevant here.

    This letter seem relevant here in your situation.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/305389/lettter-to-my-co

    Make it clear

    to him that he is NOT fighting for his country, and only fighting for the government. Make sure he understands the difference between the two. Love him unconditionally.

    If family friendly classic

    If family friendly classic shows like the Waltons are any guide, the best thing when a 15 year old wants to join the airforce is to make him fly a whole fleet of airplanes and bomb multiple villages, and then see if he still wants to do it. It worked with smoking cigarettes.

    My sympathies.

    Sounds like you have screwed up as parents.

    "Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

    social grace

    google't

    Actually I think we more or

    Actually I think we more or less screwed up as a society.