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My 15 Year Old Son Wants To Join The Airforce

My husband served in the Marine Corp. during and after the Gulf War. I am a proud wife. Semper Fi. I have much respect for our men and women in uniform.

My son wishes to follow suite and make daddy proud. He would like to go through ROTC and become an Airforce pilot. While I am proud, I am also scared to death of my son fighting in these unconstitutional wars and one day being sent home in a box.

I wish for some insight. Is anyone on the DP currently in the AF?

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Actually I think we more or

Actually I think we more or less screwed up as a society.


That was harsh. Must be wonderful being so perfect that you can sit as judge over people you don't even know.

Gotta love that about this

Gotta love that about this place. Theres a small bunch of trolls here that do nothing but insult others here. It is rather annoying. While I look to the DP as a place of learning others come here to be in your face. It's quite bazar.

Hardly perfect, but

my children know better than to be some of the cannon fodder to enforce the empire and be instrumental in destroying freedom.

We are on the road to social upheaval and people will have no choice but to pick sides. The government side may or may not be the winner, but why choose now to be part of it. The air force is part of the government, you know.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

The sky is fucking falling!

The sky is fucking falling! Holy shit! People assume a lot here. I obviously was asking those who have been there for their input so that I could hear their stories and facts. Isn't that what we do here? That's why I come here anyway. You come here to just insult people. Why not take some of that negativity and do some good with it. Why does it have to be all about who can come up with the best insult? Jesus Christ are you fucking people for real?


Where was this insult?

The part on the comment above

The part on the comment above where he/she said

"Sounds like you have screwed up as parents."


That was crass

Oh it gets better! Read

Oh it gets better! Read through some of the other comments. I was called a whore and told to keep my legs shut. Same person told me to kill my son before he has a chance to kill anyone else. Yeah...I usually take those with a grain or two but I have to admit I lost my cool and said some "un Christian" things to him. I probably should have just left it alone cause it doesn't do any good. Just makes you mad. They try to bring you down to their level. We must learn not to.

Glad that I didn't read that far

I was months away from signing when the draft was ended and war and the military were not popular. I took a job offer.

I have raised two sons that both considered the military. Luckily, other opportunities arose. The youngest called last night to unload about mid-term exams in engineering.

Give your son the best advice you can, then just believe in him.

Best advice on here!

Best advice on here!

Read this - by General Smedley Butler


War Is A Racket

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few -- the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

It can never hurt anyone to read Maj. Gen. Butler... Only 14 pgs

Here a link where various file formats of War is a Racket can be downloaded (PDF, HTML, Kindle, etc):


General Butler and General Patton

I offer my salute.

The most decorated Marine in History.

He did his job and did it well. When he retired he realized he was being used.

Free includes debt-free!

Take him through the PSYCOPS of basic training at home for a day

or two. Then show him the reason that they will break him down physicaly and mentaly is because they will try to order him to kill other humans.

Hopfully he will understand that he does not want to be the person that is sent out to kill others (just following orders)

Genocide nore being a paid mercinary is somthing for a child to look at as a potential job or a career.


See...he's not interested in

See...he's not interested in toting around a gun. He wants to fly a plane. But as of recent he has been talking about the Coast Guard.

Seems like redirecting his excitement into somting flying

Maybe start flying model RC airplanes, start pilot training for him. There are alot of good paths that can come of this if directed from the military airforce to flying airplanes.


planes kill people

Just ask Japan.
or just about any Middle Eastern Country right now.

He might want to look at what the Coast Guard actually does before he decides. There seems to be an idealized view of all the services. All for the good and all that.

I hope he enjoys whatever he decides to do. Do you have praise and respect for others (non serviceman) for what they do? If not, that might be why your son isn't pursuing other careers.

"Do you have praise and

"Do you have praise and respect for others (non serviceman) for what they do? If not, that might be why your son isn't pursuing other careers."

I was walking past a cemetery this afternoon and I noted all the white headstones separated from the rest of the cemetery. Evidently, the local people revere their servicemen. We already know the state uses the death of servicemen to promote a nefarious agenda so apparently this tactic works well to advance that agenda. I was looking at the other headstones and wondered if anybody remembered their sacrifices and lives apart from being KIA as well. Unfortunately, far too many people don't promote or remember noblemen as much as servicemen.

Just tell him about the

Just tell him about the mandatory (experimental) anthrax vaccine he will have to take. It's a series of six shots, not just one.

The only government ever known to use anthrax as a weapon came straight out of Ft. Detrick, Maryland.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Take him by the hand

and bring him down to your nearest VA hospital and let him take a look, a good long look and maybe even talk with a few of these men and let them tell him what they think.

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

This is truth. I'd also like

This is truth. I'd also like to talk to some of the parents myself.

Why not me?

I had a brother who became a C-3 quadriplegic while in the Army. He died last year, had been a quad 27 years. The only feeling he had was on his chest. He had no mobility below his neck. I have spent many years in VAs (GO STANFORD PALO ALTO VA!!!!!) as from time to time, one thing or anther he spent months in ICUs and wards.

My brother had a monkey for awhile to feed him.. He was Independent, lived on his own, everything was hoojked up to voice command, door, phone, TV, lights, fan. He had genuinely caring aides to feed him (after Max his monkey passed).

He used to go to the VAs and give pep taks to those who became disabled. He opened a consession stand and worked with Reno River rafting teaching new rafters the ropes.

He many beautiful girlfriends, was very popular, in all the parades flying his MIA and POW and USA flag.

Through him I met many dsabled vets.. young men who lost limbs and some who were so badly burned they had years of grafts..

What I learned from my long experience with my brother is, when you are loved, you are not disabled. Those men and women I met at the VA usually had a smile, a joke, willing to sahre a meal or a beer.. they were FUN to be with, funny, smart and they didn't sit on their asses crying and blaming everyone and America and the military for what happened to them.

Personally, I think it's harder on the family. My Mother, God BLESS her, stood by him and supported him.. and so did my Dad.. it was HARD.

My brother, before his accident, was 6'2 185#s and very very handsome.. Chippendale kind of very handsome.. growing up the phone rand off the hook from girls wanting to date him. He played ball, he was very popular.. adn when his accident happend.. he was shot in the head the bullet severed his spinal cord in the neck C3, deep sigh.. it's very hard on the family.. he had no clue what was going on for months.. for hours we would talk to him.. no response.

At one point, I admit, I lost it.

He was in ICU, they had him paralyzed for weeks.. he was hooked up on so much equipment.. you could watch his body fluids being pumped through machines completely surrounding him.. and when the doctor came in.. I told the doctor that he was keeping my brother alive for his own profit, and then the doctor let me have it.. told me that my attitude was not going to help my brither and shape up or stop comming.

I got some help.. I had to because I was having such a hard time inderstanding how this beautiful man could possible have any life aftetr his accident..

But, as you can read above.. my brother created a life for himself that beats many able bodied people, and he's NOT alone.

To me the poster who told you to go to VA hospitals has some gall. How many hospitals do they go to helping vets?

Yeah.. go to a VA, and while you're at it, bring some cookies and a smile.. because you'll meet some of the bravest, most wonderful Amricans ever.

I have supported this group for nearly 30 years https://secure.pva.org/site/c.ajIRK9NJLcJ2E/b.7809713/k.42EC...

Granger my dear friend

My comment to take the lad to a VA hospital was so that he could see, with his very own eyes, what happens to people when they are sent "Over There" to fight for big business.

It took no gall but truth and honesty to say tbat!

It has NOTHING to do with the vets nor their attitude!

It's one thing to give your limb or even your life for something worth giving, but when it's for some DAMNED businessmen back here in the US it's sickening to say the very least! SICKENING!

Sometimes the glory of seeing John Wayne and others on the big screen and all those glorifying commercials of the men in uniform are brought to reality when they go to a place like the VA!

I too know someone very close to me that is still in a 80% state of paralysis from the 91 Gulf War.

I know that if he had a choice to do it all again, he would say hell no!

My brother who was killed in the jungles of Viet Nam is now in his eternal home and yet I KNOW if he were to have it all to do again especially if he knew what that damned war was really about, he would say HELL NO!

Granger, there is NO glory in war!

Let's be truthful here!


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~


I think you know I come from a traditional military FAMILY.

Being I grew up on military bases.. I feel at home.. with FAMILY.

It is not for glory, but for duty, service.

My dad was a three war vet.. two of his brothers served.. one received a silver star (When he retired, he lead POW/MIA hunts in Nam, Cambodia, brought home information and men). My uncle John returned from Nam and shot himself. We have several cases of PTS syndrom.. very sad.. what a hell. My Dad wound up with Mantal Cell Lymphoma from Agent Orange..

I know my Dad, his MIA.POW brother, my brothers, miost ion my family would do it again.

I'm really sorry about what happend to the person very close to you, and I'm sorry that they are bitter.

And that's where I found the gall.. because to me.. A VA you have seriously wounded troops.. they NEED support. They need HOPE. They NEED help, though many would never ask.. they NEED positive energy.. so to go with the idea that "I'm going to look at this so I can see where I don't want to be".. If I was in a VA trying to get well.. and you caqme in with the idea that you were looking at me becasue you didn'ty want to be me.. I would wish you didn't come see me.

But that's me. Maybe there are troops who would feel healed by that.. but it's beyond me how.

((((((((Holbrook)))))))) I love you.


Hope comes with being truly honest to yourself!
My friend is not bitter, just honest to the truth of what really has been going on all these years of unjust, corrupt and abominable wars.

I respect you and your family and your thoughts that are so well written out Granger.

When kids hang around with thugs, the best thing that could happen to them is for someone to take them down to the nearest prison and go inside to take a good look!

Have you ever seen something called "scared stiff"
I believe it is a documentary.

It tells volumes to those who are on the road to crime and their end. It has kept many away from that kind of life by seeing "reality".

There are consequences for everything we do in life and there is nothing more profitable than for someone to lead another away from something evil and deadly and direct them lovingly to something better.

Our nation has become a devil to the world and unto it's people and the main tool they use is the military!

I would want NO part of that wickedness!

Peace sister!


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Peace.. wouldn't that be nice?

Yes.. I saw "scared Stiff"..

You know, day to day accidents happen too. USN oil tanker.. my Dad was very upset.. a sailor was looking down an elevator/dumb waiter shaft when the elevator was headed down.. he didn't see the elevator floor above him.. Decapitated him. He never saw a day of war.

Couple of guys who were off duty.. guy has a new motorcycle.. had one of his friends from the base on the back.. Truck hit them.. threw the guy off the back and a pole empaled his head, the other died on impact. They never even got a tour of duty out of the states.

The vast majority of troops never see war.

My Dad introduced me to Grace Hopper back in the 70s. She was talking about computers.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper no one knew what computers were.. not like today.

I was engaged once to a Lt Cmdr.. he was the XO of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pegasus_(PHM-1).. at the time, 1981, he spoke 7 computer languages.. never saw a day of war.

My point here is that one of the good things, IMO, military does is experiment with things like computers.. cell phones, engines, alternatives .. now we all have computers and cell phones.

I see the future of the military working on things like Fukashima.. military.. the good, bad and the ugly.

The military is NOT for everyone. I didn't serve.. I'm the only one in my family (and why I got engaged to make my parents happy.. but I couldn't do it. I love a lot about the military.. and I would have been a good Navy wife -why he engaged me.. while I may not be very popular on DP.. I have always been popular and I throw great parties, and that's part of how you climb in the military.. good organized parties. I learned from my Mom.. she was really something).

But I couldn't, so I don't look down on others who can't.. I'm just sensitive to the VA.. while some are in there because of accidents, to me.. it's really important to have a good attitude when visiting a VA.. No one wants to be in the VA.

I don't agree about our military being "the Devil".. I think the mistake our military is making is trying to stop the Devil, and I'm no fan of the Devil.. I just don't think sending troops to Hell to stop the devil is the solution (after all.. appears we have our own devil that needs to be dealt with).

I am sorry for your lose granger

Yea it is sad what our boys go trough. How we treat our vets is the greatest sin our government makes. It sad that they don't even get proper care. Your brother is in a better place now and he is not suffering anymore. Peace on to you

That is an incredible story!

That is an incredible story! Absolutely beautiful! I am so glad to have learned this about you Granger. Thank you for sharing.

I am so sorry for your loss. Your brother was an HONORABLE man and did not die in vain.

I capitalized honorable to attract the trolls. May as well have fun on here.