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My 15 Year Old Son Wants To Join The Airforce

My husband served in the Marine Corp. during and after the Gulf War. I am a proud wife. Semper Fi. I have much respect for our men and women in uniform.

My son wishes to follow suite and make daddy proud. He would like to go through ROTC and become an Airforce pilot. While I am proud, I am also scared to death of my son fighting in these unconstitutional wars and one day being sent home in a box.

I wish for some insight. Is anyone on the DP currently in the AF?



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"You look like you're barely

"You look like you're barely 15. What the fuck do you know? Why don't you come back when you grow some you little know it all dweeb."

Thanks for the compliment I will be 30 in a few months. I am also over 6 foot I didn't realize this classified me as little. butt im the know it all?

"I'll bet you never confront a Marine in person. Only on message boards."

You would lose that bet. Are you admitting that marines aka murderers are violent people? I agree with you. The problem is stupid patriotic whores breeding these monsters. Keep your legs closed or grow a brain for the better of the human race.

To clarify the difference between say RonP joining a government hit squad and say your "family" is the access to information on the internet. There is no excuse to justify murdering innocent people that you don't know that I have come across, do you care to enlighten me? Do you truly believe they are "defending our freedom"?

Did I say that I believe they

Did I say that I believe they were fighting for our freedom fuck tard? If you weren't such a little ignorant bitch you would have read what my post actually says.
I would still make that bet cause your a little pussy on a chat board. What the fuck have you ever done? I was a delegate for Ron Paul all the way to state where we proudly nominated our guy while you sat in your parents basement spewing your idiotic bullshit all over the Internet. Get a life loser. You could die and nobody would give a shit.

It's been fun. Seriously...where did all these idiots come from?

I stopped reading what you

I stopped reading what you said once I realized you don't know what a question mark is. Stupid people breeding. Here is why America fails.

Funny...I don't think my

Funny...I don't think my husband nor my son has ever killed another person. Get a life loser...there are lots of vets and men and woman in the service who support Ron Paul here. Are you going to call all them names too? Ron Paul himself was in the AF and has never condemned anyone else who's ever served.

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Believe me when I say this

There are a lot of loving people here also. I promise you.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Jrd3820...thank you for your

Jrd3820...thank you for your kind and level headed remarks. I am glad I had the opportunity for a friendly debate with you n the past. You are a pretty cool person even when we disagree. I'd like to call you a friend but that might be weird as I've never met you...only exchanged words on a public forum. Anyway, thank you.

same here

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When I was in high school I

When I was in high school I very seriously considered going into the Air Force Academy. I had a great transcript and also through personal connections was able to get an informal "yes" on the congressional nomination, informal only until I formally applied for it. Basically had everything in line for it to happen. Decided not to, part of the reason was a conversation I had with an AF Sergeant who gave me some advice which I will sum up as him telling me "basically, they will own you and to join if I wanted to be owned in that way."

Then in my last year of college the Marine recruiters were pushing hard trying to get me to go to officer candidate school. They had quite a pitch, made it seem so exciting, see the world, etc, etc. Plus, they were "The Marines."

I am SO GLAD that I decided not to join and instead follow my true passion. Of course, when I was in HS and college I was still a gung-ho 'the US can do no wrong' conservative republican. In short, I was still asleep.

If I had joined either branch and "woke up" while still serving, I do not believe I could, in good conscience, continue obeying orders that I knew and understood to be unconstitutional. Soldiers, by the way, are obligated to disobey unlawful orders (and anything unconstitutional is unlawful). The very few who do disobey orders due to unconstitutionality, things usually get quite messy for them, so not many others even consider doing the same.

Anyhow, that's my opinion on some of that.

This is what Albert Einstein had to say about it: "The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service."

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I am currently in the AF

I've read through all the comments, not to base my comments/advice, but to see where everyone is coming from. I've noticed most have not served in the AF, I won't pass judgement nor can I blame them for not wanting to join any branch of the military at all. You can down vote my comment if you guys feel the need. But the OP asked a question I can relate to very well, and that's the beauty of this community. I like my job and have got to see different parts of the country and world otherwise I would have never got to do.. Hell, this weekend I even got my picture next to the Philly Fed reserve (with the bird of course:), liberty bell, independence hall, etc.
My job is a mechanic on PaveHawks (also known as BlackHawks). If you've seen Inside Combat Rescue on NatGeo, that is our mission, without the Hollywood flair.. Our mission in the AF is to pick up wounded soldiers/marines/airmen/brits/children/etc from the field and take them to a nearby hospital...in under an hour. A lot of EMT services in our country can't even do that. Saving a life makes it worth it to me, even though I hold a lot of the same views as most of the commenters. So it's a hard pill to swallow. After all, if they survive, a lot become awakened and question our foreign policy, hence the reason Dr Paul got so many donations from military and veterans.
From what I've been told, to be a fighter pilot is very hard to get into. It's even harder to make the prerequisites and in most cases unless he goes to the AF academy and is in the top of his class, he'll be put in cargo aircraft pilot or helicopter pilot school. They only offer a few spots to ROTC candidates. (I'm not saying he can't do it, I'm just saying its really tough). Even if he goes to helicopters, he'll still get his fixed wing 'license'. They learn to fly Cessna's and such before they'll fly helicopters (helicopters are harder to fly).
Now, all that being said I have to agree to an extent with some of the comments. After being awakened in 2009, after my 6th deployment, thanks to Dr Paul and liberty-minded communities such as this, I can't go back to sleep. It's obviously clear that our nation is headed down a questionable path. To give you an idea, I'm in training to go over for a year to advise the Afghan Air Force on my/their job. A deployment I'm very reluctant to go on but hopefully a job that may get us outta there sooner.
Let him hear both sides. There are pros and cons of either choice. Let him know there will be consequences with his decision. I've only been home 3 of the last 7 Christmases. Missing birthdays, anniversaries, little Johnny's soccer game,etc are the norm. Ultimately it'll be his decision.
I hope this helps, Unknownuser and wish everyone the best!

Our military has become a tool of evil

They are being used for everything except defending us. Have your son read "War is a Racket" by General Smedley Butler and see if he still feels the same.

If he understands how all the patriotic BS from our "leaders" is nothing more than hype to do their dirty work and still wants to go then at least he will go with his eyes open.

But being a pilot would be an exciting career, so I don't fault him for wanting to do it.

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I am sorry for some of these comments I read below. You

do not really deserve them. I also was in the Marine Corp. I learned much that may help in the near future so it was not all bad. My son decided with the help of an obnoxious recruiter that he wanted to join the Army. This child was 16 years old. I told him he could do what ever he wanted once he finished college or turned 18.

I then met with the commanding officer at the recruiting station and told him that the recruiter contacting my son will halt immediately. He understood my seriousness when I said I would shoot my own son in the knee to keep him out. I also let him know the recruiter would be next.

Needless to say my son is now a geologist and environmental engineer. He tells me quite often how much he appreciates what I did to get him where he is now.

Encourage the education first, whether college or life experience. A father is proud of his child no matter what direction they decide to take. Your child must be told this.

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

It's a job

Unless the US is under attack, working in the military is just a job.

I don't buy the pride argument at all. I am proud of people who do a hard days work, or hire employees or care for their family.

The false pride of the US military is used as a hammer to silence those who speak out against unjust wars.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

That line refers to "men" NOT Americans. If we believe these truths then we have no right to interfere in the lives of Syrians or to kill one group of people because we "pick" another group.

If your son wants to be a pilot and a good one, that is well and good, but don't confuse what Obama and Bush have been doing with our young soldiers as "defending this country". As far as I can tell, your husband and your son are good people who have taken a job to defend the ego and arrogance of congress and the president.

I'm sorry if this is cold, but the same can be said of people who take jobs with companies that cast aside their goal of making a great product and change to bilking people with cheap products. Any honor in a job is tarnished if the goals are immoral/unjust.

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You may want to take the time to watch this

You may want to take the time to watch this, with your husband and son :

"Deception was my job."

http://www.dailypaul.com/294984

... then skim again thru the main american "news" of THE LAST TWO decades, and finally all together give a second thought to WHAT, EXACTLY, his enlistment would be serving.

'HTH, &

Sincerely,

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Here are the actual people your son would be serving as of today

Here are the actual people your son would be serving, as of today :

http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html

I'm sorry for you, America.

:(

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Excellent find Cyril. I noticed AARP is on there.

Those rats must be war-mongers too.

When I turned 50 I started getting lots of their crap in the mail.

But I've ignored it to the point where it finally went away.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Interesting list. i wish to

Interesting list. i wish to share this but i dont know much about the subject. So...I don't understand what it is they exactly do.

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If you can stomach their arrogance and bragging IN PLAIN SIGHT :

If you can stomach their arrogance and bragging IN PLAIN SIGHT :

The Dangers of Warmongering on Syria, Iran (March, 2012)

http://www.cfr.org/middle-east-and-north-africa/dangers-warm...

This article will likely make angry a lot of people who had missed it thus far.

Full text on "The Daily Beast", of course :

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/09/leslie-h-ge...

Along with, the "classic" by now :


http://youtu.be/Ba9wxl1Dmas

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Related, also...

Related, also...

Agenda = Grinding America Down (trailer; 6 mins 40 secs) :

http://vimeo.com/52009124

And finally :

Chris Savvinidis, speaking his mind out (6 mins 34 secs) :

(pay careful attention to the very points he makes, even before the eloquence)


http://youtu.be/yfHWChrsYfk

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Holy cow! That dude made me

Holy cow! That dude made me cry.

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^^^ BUMP.

^^^ BUMP.

He got me, too, once...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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That's the sort of people STANDING FOR YOU, AMERICA

That's the sort of people STANDING FOR YOU, AMERICA, few among the OWS crowds...

... THAT ***THEY DID NOT WANT YOU*** TO NOTICE, TO HEAR.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

And it seems to simple to me

Especially this one.

Obama proposes to go to war on behalf of our avowed enemy, Al-Queda. This entity is deemed a terrorist organization and an enemy of the USA.

By joining this war effort, all public officials and soldiers, all who have taken the oath are guilty of offering support and comfort to an enemy in time of war, and all would thus be guilty of court-martial and the penalty for such treason, as it's legally defined, like BLACK LETTER LAW is death.

Now you notice I have made no moral case here, I trust it's been made by others but here you stand telling us how PROUD you are and how this is a good way for your son to learn how to fly airplanes.

Momma, bless you. I'm sure you are a great mom with a great husband and a great kid but you and me aren't even close to the same wavelength.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Smudge Pot. I appreciate your

Smudge Pot. I appreciate your brutal truthfulness. I came here with a question and I appreciate all who take the time to comment.

But what I really need is to connect with people who have been or are currently "there". That's what I need at this time. What is your experience?

My experience with war is those who have fought them.

and driving them to the VA hospital and getting them signed up for EBT cards and getting them to Catholic Social Services for stop-gap measures and getting them electric blankets in the winter because they cannot afford heat and visiting with them and counseling.

The ones you don't see much on television hon.

Though I am a warrior myself. This is my battle and these are my people. And this is our land.

Might I recommend Embry Riddle, an aeronautical college in Arizona? Overstressed military pilots are out there but perhaps a grounding in avionics tech combined with a pilot's license....like if you can fix a helicopter...and fly it, you can still go anyplace in the world.

Beyond that I thank you for speaking to me, I can tell that you are sincere. I appreciate that. I would gently ask you the following: what is the basis for pride for a man?

I think it has to do with prowess and honor and the two can be totally separate as motives. Prowess is simply being better than everybody else at whatever game is being played.

What is the basis of honor?

-with respect,
Smudge

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I think the need for "duty

I think the need for "duty and honor" is hard wired in a man. That is why you will always see young boys sword fighting or dressing like super heroes. As you will see young girls playing with dolls...because they are hard wired for nurturing.

My husband is not as far along as I am at realizing the truth. He's getting there. He is a proud American and strongly believes he served to protect you and possibly die for you. How can you dishonor a man who says he would die for you?

Our son wants so badly to be like him...a hero. And it breaks my heart.

THEN YOU WILL SUFFER

My woman says that i will sacrifice anything we have for them.

If your son wants to fight on the side of right it will not come with multimillion dollar aircraft.

But you have a harder job to do. You must support your husband and son no matter what they do.

And how much did you consider being the wife of a soldier or an airman or a marine?

You already made that decision. You make the decision my family made.

Upon reduction, woman, support your men.

It's a mistake and a bad idea but they will never be men without your support.

They will never be men to us. They have the mark of blood money on them. And that, darling, is the way it is.

Cost blood money to get your son honor?

A pilot's license?

You know what you are to us.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Go To Those

Who have just come out..Who know the truth..Who would have never gone in if they did...Have them talk to your son

I believe in Hope & Change..I Hope the government will Change
Spindale-Rutherford County-North Carolina

This is good. Thanks.

This is good. Thanks.

You SHOULD be scared. I talked 2 of my nephews who were...

...all gung-ho on joining the military OUT of it by telling them that they are NOT joining to defend the United States but rather they would be defending the profiteers of war.

This includes bankers, "defense" contractors, weapons manufactureres and the politicians who propagate these wars, attacks, invasions and occupations.

If you drive this point home with him he probably won't join.

And remember, when you join the military YOU CONCUR WITH THE POLICIES because once you sign on that line, YOUR OPINIONS DO NOT MATTER ANYMORE!

You are to take orders without question and you are the tip of the spear - not the decisions and policies which sent you to do their bidding.

I hope you can talk him out if it.

I worked for a major airline during the Iraq debaucle and I can't tell you how many young men in coffins I unloaded from bellies of airplanes.

That is until that rotted Bush stopped the practice of shipping home dead American soldiers on commercial aircraft - where the country could see it.

Now it's COMPLETELY out of the news when a servicemember dies over there, and they still ARE dying over there.

It's utterly criminal of the press to ignore this.

Good luck in your efforts to keep your son from becoming a PAWN for the central bankers of the world.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul