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My 15 Year Old Son Wants To Join The Airforce

My husband served in the Marine Corp. during and after the Gulf War. I am a proud wife. Semper Fi. I have much respect for our men and women in uniform.

My son wishes to follow suite and make daddy proud. He would like to go through ROTC and become an Airforce pilot. While I am proud, I am also scared to death of my son fighting in these unconstitutional wars and one day being sent home in a box.

I wish for some insight. Is anyone on the DP currently in the AF?



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Would it make mommy proud for

Would it make mommy proud for little Timmy to join the banker military? How awful.

I'm sorry to tell you, but you have nothing to be proud of. Your husband was used by evil men, and now your son wants to follow him. Where is the honor in that?

Semper Fi? Bullshit. If the Marines were anything but gun toting government thugs, they'd be guarding Obama in his jail cell. Do you remember the oath; "foreign and domestic"?

What do you think of all

What do you think of all those Ron Paul supporters who are in the service? Is there not a need for them going up in the ranks?

I think they are kidding

I think they are kidding themselves. You can't effect a change of policy by being a member of the military. There is no need for them to serve in the military, except their own personal need. If they need the check that is their business, but they must accept that they are serving in a tyrannical NWO banker force.

I ain't scared for your son, but for his would-be victims

You taught him that is was somehow "honorable" to be be a mercenary for an evil empire.
The poor kid believed you.

I fully intend on helping my

I fully intend on helping my son along before he makes the biggest decision of his life. I came here for help.

Nice ASSumption, there

It just wouldn't be the DP if people didn't take every opportunity to be condescending, finger-waving twits, now would it? You know next to nothing about this person or their kid, yet you're so quick to judge them both.

But no haha, totally different from 'establishment' way of doing things.

I'm not a fan of the military either, but there's no reason to be an asshole to someone who *dared* to ask a question. Honey, vinegar, flies, etc.

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so sorry if my concern for the lives of innocents . . .

. . . makes me a "finger-waving twit".
But at least I ain't an honorable/proud mercenary for an evil empire.

There's that snark again...

You really don't get it, do you? You made several assumptions about a person and their kid (and still are). How do you know she "taught" him that's it's "honorable" and yadda yadda? Did she say that...or did you put those words in her mouth? That's the point.

It's not about what opinion one holds, it's about exercising critical thought and (God forbid) using a bit of tact.

Keep on preaching from that pedestal though, I'm sure you'll go far that way.

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what am i supposed to "assume" ?

that she's a "proud" marine wife, spouts "Semper Fi", and has a son that wants to enlist.
But she did *not* teach him that such "service" was honorable ?

Re tact:
Sorry - but when addressing those who take pride in killing/maiming/terrorizing for psychopaths, tact is not very high on my agenda.

What you should "assume"....

Is you SHOULDN'T ASSUME.
There are many folks who served in our armed forces and were/are proud of that service. Perhaps they weren't awake to what was going on...perhaps they truly thought they were protecting you and me. Never fault someone for their willingness to die protecting you.
I'm sure you weren't born awake...and so at one point you too were on the other side..thinking the things that were going on were just fine.
This Woman is now awake. Does she have to condemn her Husband's service just to prove to you that she "gets it"? Or can she respect the fact that he was serving with the best of intentions and now understands how he was used? She obviously doesn't want her Son to go through that same torment.
This is our chance to educate folks..wake them all up. If her Son is the catalyst she uses to do that in her small circle of influence why slam her for it?
We are all here for the purpose to wake up as many folks as possible right? I don't see how you feel you can accomplish that by slamming her or making her feel guilty for what she can not change. The point is she is trying to stop the cycle from going forward.

Much Luv and Respect...
Jan

Thank you JanBrennan. I

Thank you JanBrennan. I posted this question fully aware of the blowback I would receive. This is a touchy subject at home. I get sick to my stomach thinking about my son coming home in a box like all the others who have fought for something they thought was an honorable cause. I don't want to join those grieving mothers.

Perhaps I am a bad mother for trying to teach my son duty, honor, love, and respect...something most kids his age lack. My son does not want to join the service to be a killing machine, he simply wants to fulfill his drive for honor and duty. There was a time when it was honorable to serve your country.

But he is my only son and after many attempts at trying for another sibling for him we now know he is my miracle child.

This subject does not sit lightly with me. I am in tears reading some of these comments.

I was enlisted in the Air

I was enlisted in the Air Force from 2000-2005. I was not an officer, and that is a different mind frame than the enlisted troops, and a pilot is a different mindset than a general paper pushing officer.

I won't tell you what to do, but I was a 20 year old on 9/11, and a 22 year old that fueled fighter jets in Kuwait to "shock and awe" Iraq for imaginary links to Al Qaeda and WMDs.

I am still trying to come to terms with self loathing over what I was a part of. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. When it came to Iraq, I know those planes I fueled were terrorizing innocent men, women, and children, along with turning them into chunks of meat splattered on walls. I personally wouldn't recommend joining the military, I would recommend sending your kid to medical school or something else that would be a benefit to humanity. If the U.S. is invaded, he can always pick up a rifle and go to work as a patriot providing actual defense. With the pilots it is basically like high school cliques, if you want to be popular and earn rank, you have to be a cocky jerk that likes lording over people. Kinda like jocks in High School.

Thank you for your reply.

Thank you for your reply.

He sounds like my father.

My father was on a destroyer in Tokyo Harbor when the armistice agreement was signed in 1945. Twice he learned of my lofty notions to join the military. Twice he talked me down from such notions and helped adjust my sights back toward medical school.

My father didn't speak much of his time in the service. In retrospect [my father passed away in 1992] I oddly remember that my father almost seemed actively conscious to never speak ill of the Japanese or Germans. I got the sense that he sought forgiveness in some way for having been part of a machine that eventually slaughtered so many innocents.

His service in the war certainly humbled him, and I never in my lifetime saw pride get the better of him. It makes me wonder what else he might have done had he been so humbled prior to his volunteering on that last day before his eighteenth birthday.

You are "a proud wife". I suggest pondering the source and nature of your pride.

sethr11's comment made me think of this...
http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2013/02/06/2513-will-grigg/

"Kinda like jocks in High School"

...or Cops on the street...

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Former USN service member here

I spent 8 years in the United States Navy. I decided not to re-enlist after I woke up. No way I could continue to serve this leviathan of global oppression.

Do whatever you have to to show him that this military is NOT the military that has been told to him in school and on television. I bought all that bullshit too when I was a kid. As an adult you see it for what it is. A machine, you do what your told even if it goes against your moral compass.

Do whatever you have too to keep him from joining and pointing out other life paths. He can still be a pilot without the military experience. I've known plenty of pilots who never set foot in a military aircraft.

With the information out there now, I can't honestly see why anyone would willingly join this military or let their kids do it.

I've known plenty of pilots who never set foot in...

a military aircraft...

DITTO. My best friend is a captain for USAIR...path...Notre Dame Tennis Team....

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

you would be remiss in your duties as a parent...

...if you let him. Just my opinion as a war veteran

Ron Paul was an Air Force officer

Particularly as an officer, a service member has some say in his career path. As a civilian, I work with USAF and USA people on a mission having nothing to do with spying or drones or illicit wars of aggression. I would never work on an activity that was inconsistent with my libertarian values. I think national defense is a legitimate Constitutional role of the government.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

I cry extremely soft, wet and fresh...BullSh*t

You obviously have never worn the uniform as that statement is pure bullish*t known to ANYONE who ever has. You WILL follow orders...if you don't want to...you don't wear the uniform...PERIOD.

The military is not a democracy...it is NOT a place to exercise any individual thought what-so-ever. Automatons only need apply...consciences not allowed under pain of imprisonment or death. YOU WILL do whatever your MOS is directed to do by the scrambled eggs and the minions that direct them.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

What the hell?

I'm a Navy veteran and now a civilian electrical engineer, and there's zero bullshit to my story. Most of the soldiers I interact with have done multiple tours in the ME and are not brain-addled, though some are bitter and glad to be on a CONUS mission. And nearly all the airmen have never left CONUS and have never worked on any weird, rogue bullsh*t programs, either. Yes, they follow orders, but they're not getting insane, illegal orders. They're defending the country against attack.

The idea that the US military is entirely rogue, doing nothing but fighting illicit wars and training to enslave America is ludicrous. The US military is not inherently unrighteous and evil.

The OP's son could be proud to be a career USAF officer, to lead by example in keeping activities under his command ethical, lawful and constitutional as he moves up the ranks. Or he could serve his required term, feel like he paid his dues, and then resign to return to civilian life.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

I stand corrected on your "service"..

...and you were "lucky" as to an MOS that kept from ever being canon fodder or forced to do anything that personally considered immoral...however, as you well know...we were all cogs in the same machine and "brain-addled" has not a thing in world to do with anything. And weird rogue...WTF are you talking about? The mission itself is rogue in every case of the last 60 years! Ludicrous my ass.

Tell me please which "un-rogue" action of the last 60 years would have had you lay your own child on the alter of. For which "cause" would you have "proudly" handed the sacrificial knife to your government? Which action could have righteously claimed his/her blood?

Also, we could talk for hours and hours of the non-combat hazards of military duty ...I have a nephew who, given his flight crew job, has been incredibly disabled from exposure to constant jet fuel spills. F*cked his brain up for good. Apparently the skin ain't an umbrella. But lets just stick to this...

"The OP's son could be proud to be a career USAF officer, to lead by example in keeping activities under his command ethical, lawful and constitutional as he moves up the ranks. Or he could serve his required term, feel like he paid his dues, and then resign to return to civilian life."

Or he could open his eyes to the reality of what he would be a part of and what his CONUS job enabled and instead refuse vehemently.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

An Asinine Proposition

Here is Laurence Vance's latest, for tomorrow's LewRockwell.com

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/09/laurence-m-vance/hands-of...

Have your son read that.

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

Probably quite safe; bad karma; guilty conscience

I read a story about one of the drone pilots who had killed some enormous numbers of people.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/20/304420/xdrone-pilot...

Maybe the above is the link, I don't recall, precisely. Kids that age are very impressionable and they have the need to make the transition to 'manhood', and get the approval of parents and peers. They have no information base to make informed decisions and need guidance from their parents.

If my son wanted to do this, I would break his kneecaps to prevent him from going. Your son will come back safe physically, but I do believe that killing people has bad psychological/spiritual/karma effects on the person responsible, and these stay with you as long as you live. I would never put a son of mine in that position. Our first duty is to protect our children.

I am trying to go over other

I am trying to go over other options with him. I will have him watch some informative movies.

If you haven't heard of it,

If you haven't heard of it, you have to show him the documentary "Restrepo". I can't watch it without wanting to cry.

It could always be worse. He might have wanted to be a lawyer.

Or a politician. Or even... ( gulp }.... a progressive that works for the Federal Reserve Bank!

I spent 21-years in the USAF.

I spent 21-years in the USAF. As a young man I loved it. But by the time I retired, I didn't like it much, although I am appreciative of the opportunities to travel and meet people (and NOT kill them) from all over the world. I also enjoyed working with the types of people that joined the AF; typically young kids who want to do something good with their life. I left the AF in 2002 but I didn't "wake up" until 2011, thanks to Dr. Ron Paul. I have three adult boys and I thank God that none of them have any desire whatsoever to join the military. If they did I would do everything in my power to convince them otherwise. The military used to be an honorable profession, but it really is true that it is nothing more than a well-funded mercenary organization now. I have always said that the military sucks at everything except for two things: breaking things and killing people. They/we did that so well. If your child joins, prepare yourself to feel this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5XBFChpIJ0&list=PLI8aNwdP24K...

You used the word proud 3 times.

That's got me wondering.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I am proud...of his

I am proud...of his ambitions. He wants to be a hero. He wants to serve our country. He wants to work hard and to provide for a family some day. There are not a lot of kids his age who think big. He originally want to joint the Marine Corp but has decided on the AF. I am talking with him about other options. He wants to be a pilot. There is going to be a big shortage of pilots and he thinks he can get a lot of flying time in the AF.