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Ron Paul To Keynote Catholic Conference

Anyone know anything about this Fatima group?? And why would Paul, whether the allegations are true or not, even want to do this?

http://freebeacon.com/fatima-center-head-denies-anti-semitis...
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well....

if you only speak to people who agree with you, you will have a hard time changing the minds of those who don't.

The more obscene you think their thinking is the more you should speak to them.

He's not going there

to speak against being anti-jew, he's going there to speak about his foreign policy and the economy. This is a BAD choice all the way around, unless, like I said, he agrees with them.

Has anyone who calls themselves a Protestant

Bothered to research what their denominations founding fathers wrote about whom the Vatican was according to their study of scripture? It was unanimous throughout all of the reformations greats, Calvin, Wesley, Tyndall, Wycliffe,, Luther, Huss, Jerome, Miller: every major denominations founders held the Vatican in the EXACT same light. Our Nations Forefathers held the Jesuits in particular disdain, now the Pope is both Black ( Jesuit's Pope ) and White....sounds prophetic.
Yet today, the Protestant church's have gone VERY FAR astray from what their founders said: they no longer teach the scriptural LIGHT that they are founded upon. If not that LIGHT, then what manner of light do they teach? They are HER ( Jezebels ) daughters, just as scripture said: having like the fallen angels left their first estate and compromised truth for false peace and security.
That being said, they GOD FEARING men and women within the Catholic church, are ALSO GODS children who will be called out of her. Despise the seat of Satan, not those who are deceived by her: there are FAR MORE who love God with all their hearts in the Catholic Church at present than there are in my church ( the Remnant Church of God, the LAST Church ); bear this in mind when addressing whom the Vatican is to those who are entrapped as I once was. LOVE combined with Scriptural truth, patience and steadfast persuit of another's salvation.

God is, love.

Stēkō Parrēsia

Ecumanicism is the devils bargin: as for me and my house we don't serve ( as in LOVE ) a CHURCH, we serve Jesus Christ, first, foremost, and God so willing always..

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Whatever...but Sept. 11 would be a great day

for Dr. Paul to continue his narrative of false flags that shaped our world. as he did with the Syria chemical attacks, Emphasis on 9/11.

It's time.

what a bunch of propaganda crap

Fatima was and still is a Miracle, Virgin Mary appeared to three children and gave them 3 prophecies, the final one not to be revealed, one was when Pope John Paul was to be shot.

There is absolutely no anti-semitic connection to the group.

You obviously

haven't done your homework. The leader of the group has gone on record saying the holocaust was b.s.

The Third Secret

Was to be revealed upon Sister Lucy's death, the oldest of the 3 shepherd children or in 1960. John XXIII was Pope in 1960 and literally disobeyed the mother of God, choosing not to reveal the secret, called a council, Vatican II, where the Mass was changed and the church has been on the decline since. The secret still remains hidden waiting for a pope to reveal the secret to the world and make the consecration.

Babs

Our Lady of Fatima

Appeared to 3 shepherd children in 1917 in Portugal beginning on May 13 and for the next 5 months on the 13th of the successive months culminating on her final visit on October 13th where the miracle of the sun took place witnessed by 70,000 people. Google it. Our Lady predicted that the entire world would be slaves under communism, even the United States, unless the Pope in union with all the bishops of the world consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart. Once that is done peace would come to the entire world. There is much confusion regarding the consecration. Many believe the consecration was done by John Paul II, but he consecrated the world, never mentioning Russia and not in union with all the bishops. The clock is ticking because Our Lady predicted terrible chastisements if this was delayed. We are living through these chastisements. Father Gruner is a faithful, holy humble priest who has devoted his entire ministry to spreading the Fatima message of peace. He is holding the conference where Dr. Paul is the keynote speaker. Where there is confusion there is the demon. Literally the future of our world and our civilization depends on this consecration. God bless Father Gruner, Dr. Paul and all the participants. The bible says that she will crush his head. Pray the time is near.

Babs

Because Ron Paul

is a message spreader, and he has a message to spread. To everyone.
Why so surprised? This is what he DOES!

Will an admin please edit this title?

We don't need to be parroting idiocy from the SPLC. It's not even worth responding to. That said, the title is slanderous. Please edit it.

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I agree , please revise the vile SPLC title.

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If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Catholic = Anti-Semitic?

For decades Neocons and Pro-Zionist organizations have tried to tag Catholicism with Anti-Semitism:

New York Times Promotes Religious Hatred

By Patrick J. Buchanan
April 4, 1998

“The document doesn’t even mention Pius XII’s failure to speak out against Nazi atrocities,” said a disgusted New York Times — as it dismissed Rome’s recent statement on the Vatican and the Jews in World War II. “It now falls to John Paul and his successors to take the next step toward full acceptance of the Vatican’s failure to stand squarely against the evil that swept across Europe.”

Yet, here is the same New York Times on December 25th, 1941: “The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas. … He is about the only ruler left on the continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all.”

How can the Times damn for silence during World War II the same pope it hailed for courage in speaking out during World War II? Answer: The Times’ revisionism has nothing to do with the truth but everything to do with anti-Catholicism and moral blackmail.

As Newsweek’s Ken Woodward writes, Pius XII was once hailed by all mankind for helping rescue 700,000 Jews from certain death. “That Pius XII was silent in the face of the Holocaust; that he was in fact pro-German if not pro-Nazi; that … he was anti-Semitic; all are monstrous calumnies that now seem to pass for conventional wisdom,” he writes.

Yet, the Times has collaborators in its campaign of defamation. No sooner had the Vatican document appeared than Israel’s Chief Rabbi Meir Lau declared: “It is too little, too late. … I have no doubt that the Church did not do everything it could have to save people. (Pius’) silence cost millions of lives.”

But the rabbi who knew best what Pius XII did was the chief rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli. On February 13, 1945, Zolli and his wife converted to Roman Catholicism. As Thomas Craughwell writes in Sursum Corda, “At the (baptismal) font, Zolli took the name `Eugenio’ — the Christian name of Pius XII. “Would Rabbi Zolli have become Roman Catholic if he suspected papal complicity in the slaughter of his kinsmen?

And if Pius XII was complicit in Nazi crimes, why did Hitler’s henchmen hate him so? “We should not forget that in the long run, the pope in Rome is a greater enemy of National Socialism than Churchill or Roosevelt,” said Reinhard Heydrich of the SS. When Pius XI died, the Nazi organ Das Reich reviled both him and the new pope, Pius XII: “Pius XI was a half-Jew, for his mother was a Dutch Jewess; but Cardinal Pacelli is a full Jew.”

Israel’s chief rabbi may despise Pius XII, but the chief rabbi of Palestine revered him. “The people of Israel,” wrote Isaac Herzog in 1945, “will never forget what his holiness and his illustrious delegates … are doing for our unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history.” Gratitude was not out of fashion then. The chief rabbi of Bucharest, Alexander Safron, had earlier written to the papal nuncio to Romania, “In the most difficult hours which we Jews of Romania have passed through, the generous assistance of the Holy See was decisive and salutary.”

On Pius XII’s death in 1958, Golda Meir cabled Rome: “When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims.” Was the greatest woman in modern Jewish history truckling to a church she believed was complicit in the death of millions of Jews? Yet, today, the New Republic feels free to smear the dead pope as a “horrible man.”

What happened to create such animus against Pius XII within a community that almost universally mourned his passing in 1958? Read more...

I connected the dots of slant for someone on this about a week

Ago on another forum.

Basically, SPLC's stance on Fatima starts with this.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/br...

The quotes that they say were from Fatima Crusader 40 page 10.

http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr40/cr40pg10.asp

The parts they quote are actually from the closing paragraph of chapter 13 in Jewish writer Bernard Lazare's "Antisemitism: Its History and Causes" from 1894.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/lazare-anti.asp

So SPLC's page saying "The publication has carried anti-Semitic articles such as the 1992 piece, "The Program of Christ Against the Plans of Satan," which denounced what it saw as Jewish "naturalism" and blamed Jews for putting "the Christian state in danger."" is partially inaccurate. But that's what groups like the SPLC does, they twist words to fit narratives.

i thought splc was the one pointing the finger here

Thanks. Cleared that up quickly.

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Alana Goodman -Foaming at the mouth Zionist propagandist

The writer, she is nasty.
The Editor in Chief of the Washington Free BeaCON is Matthew Continetti, who is married to the daughter of war monger extraordinaire Bill Kristol.

Senior Editor Bill Gertz is a rare animal as a Moonie, foaming-at-the-mouth Zionist warmonger propagandist.

Alana Goodman is fond of quoting warmonger Jamie Fly, Zionist enemy of truth and director of the Foreign Policy Institute of which ......... wait for it.........Bill Kristol is on the all Jewish board of directors which includes such Zionist warmonger luminaries as Eric Edelman, Robert Kagan, and Dan Senor.

Every one of those people hate Doctor Captain Congressman Ron Paul.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

I don't know anything about this conference...

...but I do know that the "free beacon" is a neocon rag of the worst sort.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

GOOD GRIEF!!!

I am not Catholic. I have family and friends who are, but that's beside the point. I have family who are many different things, including Jewish--

(oops! Not supposed to use that word, am I? Well, I said that after I posted this--forgive)

I am sure there are 'rotters' who are members of the Catholic Church.

But this Fatima group has absolutely nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

Where is this misinformation coming from?

Dr. Paul is speaking to Catholics who believe that Mary appeared to three shepherd children in Fatima, Portugal in 1917.

There are political aspects to this group, because of the time in which this happened (during a world war)--

but it has nothing to do with racism.

Nor is the group 'against' anything or anyone.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

So what

So what do we call the zionists that are against our views?

Anti-gentiles?

And so the next phase of the infiltration begins...

And DP is painted as racist, most likely by the trolls on here who actually do push racial & religious division, non-stop.

Of course, they are completely out-of-line with libertarian, and liberty movement principles. But that won't be discussed, because most people (especially the racist trolls) don't understand libertarian philosophy / principles.

Make no mistake.

There are trolls who push racist stuff on here, But they are NOT allies of the liberty movement!!! In fact, in all likelihood, they are government or corporatist paid trolls trying to make the liberty movement look bad.

Please do your part to not allow these racists to take over DP. Their goal is to undermine liberty. And those who are these trolls... from stormfront, or some government alphabet agency, or some corporation being paid by an alphabet agency... you know who you are.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

yes, there are--

and there are people who 'bully' and call names.

I won't even have anything to do with any discussion that has anyone whose religion starts with a "J" (though I have family members in that religion), whether devout or secular--

or with a country that starts with "I" (except for Iraq; I feel fairly safe mentioning that hundreds of thousands of innocent people were killed there, even though some of them were members of a major world religion that starts with a "C" and others of a major world religion that starts with an "J", not to mention the major world religion that starts with an "I"--

I have felt bullied to the point of silence. Can't question anything. If a particular country is behaving in a bullying manner towards anyone--

and members of that country's community speak out against it, I can't show solidarity either--

or I will be called names--

and told I am a troll and a paid misinformation agent. If you could see me sitting here at my ancient computer--

and see the huge garden that the window from my computer overlooks and see me working in that garden and see how impossible it is that I could have any connections of that sort, you would feel ashamed.

But I can no longer participate in those discussions. If I admire someone for speaking up, I have to make certain they are not of a particular religious persuasion before I choose whether or not to applaud them--

or I will be called a troll.

You and at least one other person on here has succeeded in silencing me--

so there is one less person to fight these trolls, whoever they are--

who are involved with some alphabet agency--

I will speak up on black and white (racial) issues. We'll see how long it is before I'm called a troll for saying that blacks have as much right to be treated with dignity as whites--

So far I haven't been bullied on that front.

I'm too old, too sick and too short on resources to fight all these battles--

but I haven't left, yet. As long as there is life in me, I will continue to try to speak up for the truth--as I am continuing to seek it--

as long as a nation (except for Iraq) that starts with an "I" is not mentioned--

I assume I can criticize other Christians. Maybe. I guess we'll see--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I up-voted your above post, and up-vote you all the time...

You are claiming I have silenced you? Really? You don't think you're maybe giving me to much credit?

I have certainly not called you, personally a disinfo agent.

What I did say about the disinfo agents that are definitely real, is that "you know who you are". And immediately your post pops up... so maybe this is a Freudian slip?

I don't know.

I do know, that the goal of many who constantly harp on the "Zionist" angle, is to get Israel "wiped off the map".

That will result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, Muslims and Christians. But in particular, Jews will have no place left to call, "a country of their own".
The USA is a Christian Nation. Many European nations have long been Christian nations. Most of the Middle-East and North African countries are Muslim nations. There is only Jewish nation in history. It goes back 5000+ years. It is a tiny strip of desert in the middle-east off the shores of the eastern Mediterranean. Israel. It gets blamed for the faults of all sides. Jews are scapegoats for Pharoah. Nothing has changed.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I added

you as a friend I think we see eye to eye

According to SPLC, TNR, and others, The Daily Paul is Racist.

That is right, according to these firebrand progressives, just to hold our political positions makes us "racist, anti-semitic, and homophobic".

Want to abolish the minimum wage? -- you're racist.
Want to stop helping Israel? -- you're anti-semitic.
Want to get government out to the marriage business? -- Its cause you're homophobic.

You see, they have turned the PC tables, that is, if you DO NOT share their policy positions, you guessed it, you're "racist, anti-semitic, and homophobic".

Furthermore, notice that critics of Ron Paul love to do this move. Who Ron Paul speaks TO = Means/translates into/= Ron Paul thinks like the crowd he is talking too! But notice how selective they are with this little trick.

If Ron Paul talks to CNN's Piers Morgan, is Ron now a raving liberal? NO.
If Ron Paul talks to MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell, is he now a raving socialist? NO.
If Ron Paul talks to a bunch of rightwing republican Cuban-Americans, is Ron now a raving Castro Hater? NO.

Oh but notice that if Ron Paul talks to Alex Jones, is Ron now a raving Conspiracy guy? YES.
If he talks to the 10Th Amendment center, is Ron suddenly a Southern Racist pining for the South rising again? YES.
If he talks to a bunch of Catholic Priest who are questioning the 6 million jews killed" number, is Ron suddenly a holocaust denier? YES.

This type of demagoguery is the TNR's favorite tool against Ron Paul. They used it against his newsletters and singled out 33 out of context quotes and demagogued it. (Cato and Reason Mag did not come to the aid and help by placing it all into context, no, they joined in. This too will not be forgotten)

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I can testify that people . . .

can be bullied into silence.

If you are old and sick, and you can't sleep at night, because someone said you were a disinformation agent--

you find that it's better to stop fighting that particular battle--

Words can hurt--

the pen is mightier than the sword--

I've been fighting for decades; I knew about Ron Paul before I voted for him in 1988--

and before that I was fighting--

long before that--

I have been places and met people and lived as non-military in a country far from here--

I have had friends of most major religions--

I think I have things to share.

But a person has to make a choice whether or not to continue to be bullied--

there are people who will bully others with no remorse--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Southern Poverty Law Center Strikes Again (Yawn)

Southern Poverty Law Center Strikes Again (Yawn)
Calls Upcoming Fatima Conference “Anti-Semitic”

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), in an article republished by the left-liberal Salon magazine, has issued another of its breathless alarms about “radical Traditionalist Catholics.” This one concerns an upcoming Fatima conference in Niagara Falls (September 8-13) featuring some 27 speakers, including Congressman Ron Paul, which will address, among other topics, the growing tyranny of the modern nation-state and the urgency of the Fatima message for both civic and Church leaders who are seeking peace and social order.

“Another day, another amusingly hysterical bulletin from SPLC,” said Christopher A. Ferrara, one of the conference speakers. “Ron Paul is not even Catholic, but rather is speaking on secular themes related to the current political and economic crisis. Not every speaker at this conference is my cup of tea, but that is the whole point of the conference: to bring together people from Church and State, from all over the world, to discuss from different perspectives the moral, spiritual, political and economic crises threatening Western civilization.”

“This story is a perfect example of why SPLC has zero credibility, and why a condemnation by that far-Left group of loons has become a badge of honor among the growing number of decent people and groups SPLC has smeared,” Ferrara concluded.

http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/oc/perspective670.asp

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

I Support Ron Paul with all of his decisions

This is good news.

Are you saying it is good news because the conference is

said to be anti-Semitic?

The conference isn't anti-Semitic by the way. The SPLC is just spreading more disinformation which is pretty much their SOP.

If only there would be a

If only there would be a great awakening on proper language usage.

Only 2% of Jews are Semites.

Very disturbing

The best that can be said about this is that Ron Paul lacks the sense to stay the hell away from any organization whose head is capable of questioning the holocaust.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Minarchism
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which one?

The Armenian holocaust?
Or the 60 millions Christians murdered by the Communists?