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Back from the edge: A world-wide peace plan.

with permission
http://digitaljournal.com/article/357514

The decision by Obama to put off bombing Syria pending congressional approval gives the world a much needed breathing space, as we hurl toward Armageddon and possibly World War III. Vital interests are being threatened, not least the Russians', who are determined to protect their only warm water port.

The insanity of launching cruise missiles, indiscriminate weapons of mass destruction, in order to punish the use of other weapons of mass destruction, has brought into sharp relief the utter insanity of war. If Syria is attacked by the US, as always, many civilians will die, as death rains down from the sky on innocent women, children, and noncombatants. This is not just a byproduct of war. It is war itself. it is the cruel heart of war, then and now, one hundred percent of the time.

But when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Syria's allies Iran, Russia and China getting dragged into a wider conflict would be disastrous. Iran alone has hundreds of small boats armed with Russian made anti-ship missiles designed to sink American aircraft carriers, the N-22 Sunburn (Mach 2.1) and the N-26 Onyx (Mach 3). They also have the Chinese made C-802 which has a 364 pound warhead.

What is the silver lining to be grasped? Where can we go now from here? It is axiomatic that for great change to take place, we must be shaken from our ordinary complacency. We must take pause, look up, and see the train wreck taking shape in the distance.

The events of the last months in the Middle East may serve as such a wake-up call. We might say that, before the respite now granted, when just a week ago we were being told that "bombing might begin as soon as Thursday," the world managed to scare itself half to death.

The world has seen this before, with the Cuban Missile Crisis. We did not fall off the edge for one reason: the strong, sure grasp of one of our greatest presidents, United States President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. We have no Jack to look to now. Obama is no Jack Kennedy.

Would Jack Kennedy have bombed Syria, to stop violence? Somehow I think the answer to that question is no. Jack Kennedy stopped the invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs, stopped a plan to draw the US into war with that country by attacking our own citizens, Operation Northwoods. Jack knew that everything is not a nail, and that hammers solve precious few problems.

Therefore the people of the world themselves must lead.

Now that we are all paying attention, it may be time to propose grand solutions, of the kind which might take hold only when everyone is frightened of the future. It's time for some creative thinking.

For one set of possibilities, I humbly submit my first draft:

- For Syria, urge the parties to declare an immediate ceasefire, and launch an international investigation into the use of the chemical weapons. It is not at all clear where the weapons came from, or who used them, with some reports tracing them back to Saudi intelligence and use by the rebels. Wherever the chips fall, that is who should be charged to eventually face justice for international war crimes.

- Arrange safe haven for non-combatants in Syria, either in the country protected by a no-fly zone, or through international aid to neighboring countries which agree to shelter them. The amount of money which would be spent on million dollar cruise missiles and other munitions would probably easily cover a good chunk of this.

- Guarantee Russia's access to its warm water port, a vital economic lifeline in which it has a firm national interest. It is incredibly dangerous to back a nuclear-armed state into a desperate corner. With Russia's own ports frozen solid a good part of the year, its already shaky economy could never withstand such a blow. This would assure Putin that no one is interested in taking his queen, a dangerous ploy.

- Call for elections in Syria at the earliest date possible. In return for supporting Russia's treaty with the Syrian government over its warm water port, demand Russia stop the flow of weapons to the regime, while using US influence to pressure Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states and Turkey into stopping arms to the rebels.

- Turning to the region, call on Israel to honor its 1967 borders and begin dismantling all illegal settlements, which so far have fomented the impression in the Arab world that Israel is not interested in peaceful co-existence, but expansion. All further US aid should be conditioned on this requirement, and should have been long ago.

- The US should apologize for its illegal invasion of Iraq, and as a sign of good faith begin the clean-up of the tons of depleted uranium dust which is now causing horrific levels of birth deformities among Iraqi newborns.

- Pressure the US government, and its allies, to renounce the principle of "humanitarian aggression," which has shown itself to be thoroughly bankrupt, and nothing more than a cover for the destruction of the infrastructures and populations of Muslim, Middle Eastern countries. The words of Wes Clark are thundering with a new resonance, when he related the story of a top Pentagon staffer telling him that the decision had been made by Neoconservatives to attack "seven countries in five years."

- Call for the arrest of Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski , George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice as the kind of international war criminals the world will no longer tolerate, to show that the United States has begun to clean up it's own house. Brzezinski for driving the CIA's meddling in Afghanistan in the Seventies, so that he could give the Russians "their own Vietnam," a crime which kicked off a chain of events which has caused unimaginable suffering for millions of Afghans. Kissinger for the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam and the carpet bombing of Cambodia. It is time to take these characters off the Sunday morning talk shows and to put them on a dock at The Hague.

- Conduct worldwide vigils and demonstrations across the globe in support of this set of principles, The Cambridge Plan for my lack of imagination, since I am sitting and writing this in Cambridge, MA.

Am I dreaming? Perhaps. Of course it is an understatement to say there are many details to be worked out. But perhaps by envisioning what the world could be, we bring it one small step closer to reality. JFK dreamed of world peace too. But the world was not ready for him. Perhaps it is more so now, almost exactly 50 years after his death.

We might not be able to accomplish all of these or even most of them, but perhaps there is power in humanity, collectively, imagining something different from what we now face. As Obama begins work persuading Congress to allow him to bomb Syria, perhaps the time has come for a Great Awakening.


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If the US and allies would just stop supplying the rebels....

....the war would end almost immediately.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

The "solutions" in this article are Globalist propaganda- read..

My opinion is that this entire scenario being played out between East & West is exactly what the NWO designed. "Both sides", "East vs. West", is really just an illusion put forth by the NWO to start WW3 as a means to an end. The end being Global Government, aka the NWO. They control "both sides" at the top.
Remember when Obama met with Medyedev, and Obama whispered to him about how he would have more leeway after the rigged election, and to relay that message to Vladimir Putin? Remember when Obama met with Chinese President in Santa Monica, the same day as that shooting rampage? Before that Obama sent 70% of bailed-out GM to China, and now China is buying up Detroit. These guys have been plotting together for years. This is their big plan. Institute global government via the threat of WW3 and "the bomb".
This article, with it's proposed "solutions", basically tells you that Global government is the only solution and is inevitable...

above article:
"- For Syria, urge the parties to declare an immediate ceasefire, and launch an international investigation into the use of the chemical weapons. It is not at all clear where the weapons came from, or who used them, with some reports tracing them back to Saudi intelligence and use by the rebels. Wherever the chips fall, that is who should be charged to eventually face justice for international war crimes."

My question / critique:
Who is going to "urge the parties", and who will launch this "international investigation"? A globalist government, like the UN, that's who. That's their solution, their true goal.

above article:
"- Arrange safe haven for non-combatants in Syria, either in the country protected by a no-fly zone, or through international aid to neighboring countries which agree to shelter them. The amount of money which would be spent on million dollar cruise missiles and other munitions would probably easily cover a good chunk of this."

My question / critique:
Who is going to arrange this "safe haven"? A global entity? Now we are promoting foreign aid on DP? Is it private aid, or government aid? Some international body is going to round up all civilians, make a terror target out of them, and keep them safe and away from their homes while TPTB get to have their war, carefree? And we have to pay for, through a Global government? Clearly that's what is being proposed here.

above article
"- Guarantee Russia's access to its warm water port, a vital economic lifeline in which it has a firm national interest. It is incredibly dangerous to back a nuclear-armed state into a desperate corner. With Russia's own ports frozen solid a good part of the year, its already shaky economy could never withstand such a blow. This would assure Putin that no one is interested in taking his queen, a dangerous ploy."

My question / critique:
Again, who exactly, other than Russia itself, is going to guarantee Russia "it's" (must mean Syria's) warm water port? They are talking about a very powerful world government to accomplish this. Because if not they say, The Bomb(s) will drop. Fear the Bomb.

above article:
"Call for elections in Syria at the earliest date possible. In return for supporting Russia's treaty with the Syrian government over its warm water port, demand Russia stop the flow of weapons to the regime, while using US influence to pressure Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states and Turkey into stopping arms to the rebels."

My question / critique:
So, this implied World Governing body would be dictating the election process in Syria. Imposing it's will over Russia, the US, and the entire ME region. Who is going to have the power to accomplish this?!

above article:
"- Turning to the region, call on Israel to honor its 1967 borders and begin dismantling all illegal settlements, which so far have fomented the impression in the Arab world that Israel is not interested in peaceful co-existence, but expansion. All further US aid should be conditioned on this requirement, and should have been long ago."

My critique:
This idea shows you right here that the NWO is hostile towards Israel. 1967 borders reduces Israel to a very small, indefensible shell of itself. It is equivalent to Hitler annexing the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, leaving it militarily vulnerable. And, again, what happened to national sovereignty? This 'solution' implies that the International body has determined Israeli borders for itself, and has dubbed Israeli settlement on their own land, "illegal". Also, this entire plan is very one-sided, appearing to sympathize with the Islamic states and Russia, while having no respect for the sovereignty or the needs of the US and it's allies.

above article:
" The US should apologize for its illegal invasion of Iraq, and as a sign of good faith begin the clean-up of the tons of depleted uranium dust which is now causing horrific levels of birth deformities among Iraqi newborns."

My question / critique:
While the US invasion of Iraq was a travesty and justice should be served, it is not the job of the World Government implied by this article to be the mediator between all nations, to do that. It is up to the American people to restore our Republic and to set right as many of the wrongs as we possibly can.

above article:
"- Pressure the US government, and its allies, to renounce the principle of "humanitarian aggression," which has shown itself to be thoroughly bankrupt, and nothing more than a cover for the destruction of the infrastructures and populations of Muslim, Middle Eastern countries. The words of Wes Clark are thundering with a new resonance, when he related the story of a top Pentagon staffer telling him that the decision had been made by Neoconservatives to attack "seven countries in five years."

My question / critique:
Again, while this needs to be done, it is a job for the American people, to restore our Republic to the principles of liberty and justice. It is not the job of a world government to do it for us.
There are already forces in American (the Liberty Movement) who are pushing for non-intervention and promote the non-aggression principle. The American Liberty Movement rejects the notion of a World Governing body!
Besides, whoever wrote this article is the biggest hypocrite because everything he just listed as "solutions" are all examples of INTERVENTIONISM. He just doesn't want America intervening in anyone's business (neither do I) but he is fine with a global government doing it.

above article:
"- Call for the arrest of Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski , George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice as the kind of international war criminals the world will no longer tolerate, to show that the United States has begun to clean up it's own house. Brzezinski for driving the CIA's meddling in Afghanistan in the Seventies, so that he could give the Russians "their own Vietnam," a crime which kicked off a chain of events which has caused unimaginable suffering for millions of Afghans. Kissinger for the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam and the carpet bombing of Cambodia. It is time to take these characters off the Sunday morning talk shows and to put them on a dock at The Hague.
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My question / critique:
LOL! So the solution is to create a NWO to put on trial the proponents of the NWO? Yeah, right! Nice try!

The next phase of infiltration and subversion is here. They are trying very hard to co-opt the Liberty movement based on some of the foothold principles they have successfully injected into the liberty movement... such as resentment of Israel, the USA, and a desire for peace at any cost.

I personally fear a FEMA camp, and a Socialist America, more than I fear "The Bomb".

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

The movie "Satan's New World Order" (not about satanism)...

Explains exactly what is happening... Combine the information in this recent DP post by 'TommyPaine'.....:

http://www.dailypaul.com/297562/stormcloudsgathering-could-b...

.....with this 6 part movie on the actual New World Order...:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jjQzh-1MQA&feature=player_de...

...and you have the pieces to put together a complete picture of what exactly the NWO is, what they're doing, and how they are doing it...

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Nice thought but how did Dorothy win in the Wizard of Oz?

She didn't focus on a mass awareness or on debating with or fighting the flying monkeys. She went after the wizard. She went to the top and all she had to do was expose him for what he was.

Granted that today, just exposing the top echelon probably wouldn't stop them but there are other 'vays of making them talk'. Since they actually number very small as compared to the masses, the most obvious that people think of is by force. But that still doesn't change the events they have already put in motion. There is one other way that's rarely discussed.

We relegate them to insignificance or in short, we become prosperous without them or their influence. Without the masses clamoring to them for support, livelihood and guidance, their half baked cons on the world would sound like irate rantings of a bunch of 5 year olds. All we have to do is solve all the people's level of problems ourselves.

WE should end terrorism. Sounds hard but with social media and the cooperation it enables, surely we could create our own surveylance state back on them.

WE should end wars and politics for energy. Sounds just as hard but with this being my field, I can say it is going to happen very soon and very completely. Just be sure to support things that break the monopoly now held by big energy when it comes along.

WE should end hunger. We here all know that more than enough food is grown to feed the world and that it's politics that stop it from reaching the hungry. We here know how the food industries have corrupted the very sustenance that the world relies on. We do have the power to change that, just like we have the techniques to bring abundant harvests to even the most desolate agrarian areas.

WE should end debt. We have the knowledge of exactly how a bank should operate so why don't we create one? We know what money should act like and we even have a first generation experiment running well on it. Why don't we create an online network that's both secure and full of the real features that people might want and do both with the ease of use that attracts virility.

WE should end surveillance. We all know about mesh networks and now we're seeing how small communities that adopted them have less to no ongoing costs while enjoying 30 times the traditional bandwidth. We also know that global surveillance only works because of the centralization of internet services. So, we simply distribute it.

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All these, and more, are coming. They're inevitable and many are nearing completion now. By using these tools, we win first which empowers more people to jump on board. The iPhone model of selling enormous product in insanely short time frames can then take each of these global in no time. We just have to build those tools.

A quote from "brother" Karl...

"Peace is the absence of opposition to socialism." ~ Karl Marx

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

You got it.

And that's is exactly what this article is calling for, as I'm sure you're aware.

Pretty sad this kind of thing is getting traction on DP, masquerading as a 'libertarian' supported issue.

This article was pure, globalist-collectivist propaganda. It implies the destruction of national sovereignty.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

1967 borders will not work

As Islam advances globally, Jews are being forced out of their nativie countries. Over 1.2 million are now desperately seeking manesty in israel. This desperation has been going on for decades, and where the illegal settlements come in, desperate people seeking desperately a place to live in the world.

Israel should expand as long as there are global regimes working to anhilate the Jewish population globally.

zionist delusions and precise reversal of reality, as always

Palestinians are the ones getting bombed out of their homes but somehow it is the side with the F-16s who are the victims. Israel will do whatever it wants but it should be without American dollars and weapons.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Please, you just posted PURE GLOBALIST PROPAGANDA

on the DP with your OP, and you expect to be taken seriously?

Clearly, even on DP, some people are lazy and don't read, and/or they don't fully comprehend the consistent principles of liberty.

There are many people here who just see the liberty movement as a means to a personal goal, that goal not being restoring liberty to the USA, but usually involves eliminating Israel, blaming the USA, and apologizing for Russia and radical Islam's wrong doings.

Once again, the article you posted is pure globalist, world government aka new world order propaganda.

I have explained this, and broken down this article, piece by piece, in my comment above. No true American liberty person can support this article. You cannot support it, and be consistent with Ron Paul's principles. It's entirely inconsistent. Ron Paul's goal was not to harp on the US and Israel, but to just point out the hypocrisy in our government. He doesn't want to surrender US sovereignty to some global governing body!

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Please, will the person who downvoted this explain themselves?

I mean how can you justify promoting globalism and interventionism on DP?

Did I hurt your feelings because I pointed out the hypocrisy and inconsistency with the liberty principles in your post?

Are you trying to anonymously sway individuals who don't necessarily understand the ideals themselves either, but who are swayed by 'popularity' aka 'peer pressure'?

What's the deal? Defend your point. I put the work in to read this garbage propaganda piece article and then take it apart line-by-line. If you are going to down vote then at least put the work in to refute my argument. This is supposed to be an intelligent comment board to discuss these things right?

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

You are incorrect

Israeli does not do whatever it wants.. as Islam grows more Jews are seeking Amnesty in Israel everyday.. 1.2 million because of global Jew hatred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWIYIok2WQo

I don't have a problem with Islam growing, if it in fact is

...and Muslims are not my enemy. "Jew hatred" is a paranoid delusion used by Zionists to justify land-stealing and apartheid.

And if the behavior of Israel makes it an unpoplar country, then it should modify that behavior. Here is a lovely little example of IDF cutting down a Palestinina farmer's olive trees to make way for Israeli settlements. The filthy bastards.


http://youtu.be/FnVwKimPPdI

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Jews hatered is not about loving Muslims

The behavior of Israel is RIGHT ON, and the4 behavior of the International Communist working to propegandize the west with lies about Palestine are not against Israel at all.. they are against the Jews in Israel.

There is a lovely example where the land has been sold, and Israel is taking what they bought, and they need much more.

Islam is not consitutional law.. with 32 states being challanged to adopt Sharia Law, I think it's you want to restore the US Repoublic to constitutional government, going global with communists and Islamicists isn't going to accomplish that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNRgafTyT7M

Agree with all points fully...

with the exception of one. (Do we really want Israel left with borders that are not conventionally defensible? The 1973 armistice borders are the least amount of territory needed to ensure conventional means would be sufficient. Intelligence suggests to force Israel back to 1967 borders would be a surefire way to set off a nuclear war {and yes, pun fully intended!})

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

You agree with all points? Then you support Globalism...

This article calls for a globalist governing body. It never actually says it, but it implies it, because there must be a power structure, a powerful, global organized force to enforce these "solutions".

Not to mention these "solutions" are completely sympathetic to Russia and the Islamic nations while having no respect or sympathy for the US &/or Israel's situation.

This is pure globalist propaganda.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Actually, looking at the post again, I see your point

I was thinking of it from a negotiated treaty with the various parties. It would have been wise for me to consider who would likely be the mediating party: The UN, with whomever sitting on the security council. You are right. We should only intervene if an ally requests, however, and should weigh the decision carefully if we do.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I am American not Israeli so I could care less if Israel's

...borders are defensible. Nation-states rise and fall on the wisdom of its leaders and its people, and if a country has spent 50 years pissing everybody off, not my problem.

With respect to Israel I'm more interested in a re-investigation and honest history of the USS Liberty. Remember that boat?

Release the Sandy Hook video.

I agree entirely, the USS Liberty needs to be re-investigated!!

However, conventionally defensible borders are a world away from mutually assured destruction borders! Israel makes it no secret:

IF it is attacked with chemical or nuclear weapons, or has no other way out, it will use the 'Samson Option' and 'and turn the Middle East to glass!'

If we care about the existence of Syria, Egypt, and the other nations nearby, we don't want Israel to carry out that threat! So we need to encourage Israel and her neighbors to find a solution that works for everyone. That said, Israel has never threatened to be the first to 'nuke' anyone, it remains as a 'veiled threat'. OTOH, at least one other Middle Eastern nation's leader has spoken, using veiled threats to use WMD's in the past, and one actually invaded Kuwait. From an Arabic Perspective: (Saddam has actually used chemical weapons against his own people...DYOC about his character!)

www.arabic-media.com/saddam.htm

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I wish we could add

I wish we could add mainstream media news reporters to the list of criminals for using their platform to incite war. FOX news put the war drums into overdrive today.

Show that some of the biggest war criminals can go down,

then it gets more realistic to go after smaller fry. I am in agreement with you but seeing Henry Kissinger at the Hague would already allow me to die a happy person.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Amen to

that!!

I just realized it's almost 50 exact since JFK death

...the last man to try to reign in the military-ind. complex. Let us have evolved, and do it for him...

Release the Sandy Hook video.