40 votes

2 Policemen knocked on my door tonight for a "welfare check" UPDATED

So I was sitting peacefully surfing the web on my computer around 11 this evening when they came.

I live in a large apartment complex and keep to myself mostly as the majority of my neighbors are not really folks I care to associate with as there is much fighting and (so I've heard) a few druggies so it's not unusual for folks to call the cops around here. But I was rather alarmed when the cops came and knocked on MY door asking me if I was ok and that someone had called and said they heard people fighting and yelling in MY apartment.

I live alone and the last person I let in was my maintenance guy (who turns out to be a RP guy :) but that's another story). I really have no visitors and am a very peaceful and quiet person, so to hear that they had been called to check on me had me stunned.

I tried telling them they had the wrong apartment to no avail and they told me they were "concerned about my behavior" (but what single woman who has cops at her door at 11 at night for no apparent good reason be a bit perturbed??) and that they did not need a warrant to enter and see if anyone was bleeding to death in MY home.Anyhow, they refused to go away until they saw for themselves no one else was here, so against my great moral wishes, I allowed them to see for themselves to make them leave.

I was in no mood to debate them as I have had a long day and they totally caught me off guard. So I guess my question for you guys here is do cops really have a "right" to enter one's home if they suspect someone is being abused or mistreated and do I have any sort of recourse?

----------------------------------------------

9/5 update

First off, I just wanted to personally thank all of you for your helpful comments and suggestions, you guys are AWESOME!! :)
I will probably need more help with this as I have now learned whose apartment they really should have been at. They had the right building but were given the wrong apartment number and I had told them I had heard fighting over there earlier in the day (but that was like 12 hours before they showed up). I have filed a complaint but have heard nothing as of yet about it and not quite sure what to do next. I guess wait and see?



Trending on the Web

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

Yes, they do, and no

not much.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Dirty Cops

Dirty cops use this excuse, the "looking for a lost child" or "a fugitive might have snuck/sneaked into your home" excuse.

There are very limited circumstances by which the police can enter without a warrant and I agree with the smart advice...

Say no thank you. If they bust down your door, they will be investigated and put under review.

I'm betting if you say no, firmly and repeatedly - they will go away.

they were just attracted to you!

Besides not opening the door in the first place (very dangerous at 11pm), I have three words I use with the jack boots: No thank you. No thank you. No thank you. No thank you. Repeat and rinse. They will leave.

When did common sense become a super power?

LOL! I hope not but they probably were a bit

I can't seem to get guys to leave me alone anytime, anywhere, anyplace, period!

And yes, I was stupid that night and guess I checked my brain at the door. Never again!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

I see cops at my door I will

I see cops at my door I will not open it.

Just don't open the door. You

Just don't open the door. You have every right to be sleeping at that time.

Engage in Secure Exchange

Is there a final update from

Is there a final update from the OP? Saw this old post resurrected, was hoping to read your complaint resulted in something positive.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

LOL Surprised to see this back myself!

No, no update. The cops around here don't care when I complain :(

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

If something happens again,

If something happens again, post about it. DP activism can be potent on your behalf.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

The Cops LIED

On what pretense did they conclude probable cause to search your home for a bleeding person? Sounds like an out and out LIE to me.

‘Sneak & peek’ warrants allow police to secretly enter homes

It seems they have all kinds of tricks & tools to get inside a home - and we allow it.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sneak-and-peek-warrants/

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

Durham Police Officers Accused Of Faking 911 Calls To Enter Home

A Durham police officer admitted under oath that he lied in order to gain entry to a home and to serve an outstanding warrant.

During a court hearing last May, court officials say he told a District Court judge that it was a common practice within Durham’s police department.

He said he knocked on a resident’s door, claiming police had received a 9-1-1 hang up call. But, it never happened.

Read more at http://libertycrier.com/durham-police-officers-accused-fakin...

Probably only isolated to Durham police though...

I never saw the original post until now.

Cops do not have the right to enter without a warrant, however in their minds noncompliance and not being eager to please them means you are probably hiding something.

They may choose to violate your rights and enter anyways, and probably not much will happen to them unless you are someone important. Since you live in an apartment complex with drugs and domestic violence around, I am guessing you are not rich. In a rich neighborhood the cops would be less likely to violate your rights because you might be someone important enough to get them in trouble.

Ah, so you're the bumper!

And yeah, I felt like they duped me into letting them in :(
Ironically, a week or so later, another cop came to the door around the same time, but I ignored the knock and pretended no one was home. Haven't seen any more at my door since.
The neighbors tend to fight late at night and what is even stranger is that this couple had lived here before and there were no reported troubles with them then. But they seem downright creepy and nasty to me so I avoid them like the plague and inform the manager when they spiral out of control (which it seems like I'm the only one who does or has), and she gives them warnings. I guess it's a bit quieter and no more cops have appeared at my door, but I wish they would get kicked out or disappear altogether. The woman's voice just grates on my ears and the verbal abuse is awful!

And yes, while I am not rich, I have word from the apartment complex gossip that there are a few wealthy folks in the buildings around us so it's not like it's an absolute horrid part of town, I think tempers just tend to flare in smaller spaces and God knows what is really going on with those people!

As for the cops...I wish I had the leverage and power to do something about their unlawful search!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Don't forget the golden

Don't forget the golden rule:

He with all the gold, hires the guys with the guns, and makes all the rules.

Go to the county da's office.,,

And file a private criminal complaint. Stop acting like a slave! Start acting like your in charge! They broke in into your house that is a crime! Just because they wear a badge doesnt make them above the law. Or are you too scared to be a free woman?

Stand With TRUE Libertarians
Fire Rand 2016!

Well it's mostly because I didn't KNOW what to do

District attorney? I don't recall seeing anyone mention anything of taking it to them :/ I guess that is something I will have to look into!
Much obliged!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Yes District attorney.

In your state it might be different. But I would start with the da office, and ask them how you file a private criminal complaint. Dont let them bs you. Tell them that you take the constitution serious and that you will not leave without an answer. They most likely try to bully you. Dont let them. Once they see that you aint going to take shit they give you the answers you need. Look up the criminal code on the internet and use the proper code when you file the complaint.

I am a Township Auditor, and I filed 3 criminal complaint against my township. I won in court 2 out of 3. It is scary the first time you try it. BUT YOU CAN DO IT. If you have any questions don't be afraid to ask. We are in this together to restore our republic.

Our Time Has Come, That No Army or Government Can Stop!

NICE!!

lets see what she does...!!!

:)

Why did the cops think you had their welfare check?

jk/ Sounds, like a terrible experience, I am sorry it happened to you.

Free includes debt-free!

LOL! No, you're cool :)

I needed a laugh about now. It's been a rough week sadly.

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

If I were a detective

and I was building a case against you and didn't have enough cause to secure a warrant, I might just have some street cops do a welfare check on you. Then, since you volunteered access to the home, I could ask those cops if they saw whatever I felt was relevant to the investigation. It would not be unlawful search because you gave them access.

Here is a truth: cops like to turn victims into criminals.

People who call 911 sometimes get shot for their troubles. Learn the phrase "am I being detained or am I free to go?" If you find yourself outside your apartment again in this situation, ask that question. Don't fall for their diversions, repeat until that question is answered. If detained, tell them you are not saying another word until you speak with a lawyer. If not detained, lock your apartment door and leave. I wouldn't even return inside the apartment at that point. I would walk down to 7/11 or some place where more witnesses are present. If you go back inside your apartment, the police will just say they smell marijuana or whatever other lie they use to enter your home. If they were worried about a domestic disturbance, the situation is defused when you leave anyway. Once the door is locked, they're not getting in and if you aren't there to let them in then they are faced with either getting a warrant or an unlawful entry.

________________________________________

agreed!

so very true. I teach everyone i know exactly what you've written.

When did common sense become a super power?

From your update

I suspect there might have been a call made about your address, a false one, of course, but probably a retaliation for calling in their fighting. Be careful, there are psychopaths out there. Your neighbors might be a more immediate danger to you than the police right now.

Defend Liberty!

Maybe, but I never have called the cops on them and I have

never spoken to them except for one "hello" when I first saw them a few months back. The woman (if one could call her that....has a very raspy voice and is really creepy looking) when I have heard her she is screaming obscenities at her husband and calls him "worthless" and "good-for-nothing" and I don't recall what else when she saw me once she shut up until she thought I had gone, I just keep my distance.

The incident that happened on Tuesday that I heard was some guy yelling at them about not getting paid for something. And then just tonight, not even an hour ago now I heard her and some guy yelling "f*** you" and when I looked out the window I saw two men fighting, one sitting in a car and the other grabbing him as if to try and pull him out. The guy in the car fought him off and drove away and I guess the woman was in the car as I stopped hearing her when he drove off. I am hoping they did not see me :(

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Ahhh may I ask why you answered the door at all?

..I am right there with you; except I keep the lights off at night and work on my computer as I have thought something like what you describe could happen even though I am only here with my protector mini-dog.

Did they yell, "we're the police"? What if they had not been the police and you let them in? Forgive me-as I say I have envisioned this myself. Why did you answer the door? I might have called 911 to see who was where.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

I really do not know...I was none-to-rational that night I guess

peeked through the peephole and thought it kinda resembled the maintenance fellow and thought maybe he had forgotten something. It was kinda hard to tell :/
I know I was stupid but can't change what's already been done :(

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Maxims of Law

If you don't stand up for your rights, than you have none.

All rights reserved and no rights waived.

Obviously..

If you're not hiding anything, you won't mind if we stick a flashlight up your ass and have a look around? For your safety, of course.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

what are you fighting for?

sorry, but I simply could not resist that one!

IMO, this is really just symptomatic of what and why we are fighting.
my advice is to ask the maintenance guy. I started my career out as one. he will be your best source to find out if you were intentionally set up.

but now that I think of what I just wrote....
was it you that was turned in by a maintenance guy?