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Trying to find an alternative doctor is impossible

I am having a hell of a time finding an alternative MD for my 88 year old father. Every alternative MD or DO or even ND I take him to or consult with doesn't even want to be bothered with trying to help him because of his age. He has been suffering from an unknown mental decline that started suddenly over a few week period starting last December 2012.

He was hospitalized several times since then, each time he has short periods of lucidity immediately after the hospitalization, but then slowly falls into one of these states. He sleeps constantly and has vivid hallucinations and dreams that effect his daily functioning. He has been examined by neurologists who say its not Alzheimer's or dementia but they can't tell me whats causing it other than "aging." And because of this word "aging", no one will examine him further to find out whats going on, including the "alternative" doctors. So I'm supposed to what, stick him in a nursing home when there are probable causes for his symptoms? How do I find an alternative or holistic doctor who will do something to find out whats going on?

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Take him to a wizard to cast some spellls

That seems to be what you are expecting.

So you have tried organic nutrition, chelation, oxygen, and all of the other "holistic" hocus pocus and none of it is working? You are learning the painful and expensive way that alternative medicine is a sham.

The most perfect natural lifestyle results in guaranteed death. Doctors who practice science based medicine offer no fairy tale about this. It is unfortunate if you believed many of the marketing gimmicks offered by holistic medicine.

If you haven't taken him to a renowned neurologist who practices non-holistic medicine, perhaps you should see what they say.

Many MD's

will make you sicker than you would have been if you had never visited.I think many of us have seen people go into the hospital with fairly small problems and while in there they become worse and worse. Sometimes you don't come out alive.

Many MD's see people and their insurance as a golden goose. They will milk it for all they can get.

According to their own study

MD live an average of 57 years. They have no clue how to live longer. They manage disease, milk the insurance. No insurance and they are not interested.

Free includes debt-free!

Paul_S this is one of your favorite fallacies.

You personally have said this to me at least twice.

You mean doctors, many of whom work 80 or more hours a week at the most stressful job in existence average out to have lower life expentancies?! They must be wrong about medicine!

How about T.C. Fry - leader of the Natural Hygiene movement in the US – died of a pulmonary embolism at the age of 70?

Jim Fixx, who founded the jogging cult in the USA, with his 1977 Complete Book of Running, died of a heart attack at the age of 52?

•George Ohsawa, inventor of Macrobiotics ("the way of long life"), died of lung cancer at 73?

Dr Stuart Berger, who advocated vitamins, minerals and exercise, died of a heart attack at 40?

Dr Paavo Airola, America's most acclaimed longevity specialist - author of How To Get Well and How to Keep Slim, Healthy and Young With Juice Fasting - died of a stroke at 64?

Marc, I didn't mean to repeat myself. It was mistaken identity.

So people that have stressful lives should avoid doctors?

Each of those doctors missed the warning signs of mineral deficiencies. And compounded the problem with poor diet choices or sweating.

Rare Earth Forbidden Cures is based on 297 Scientific papers backed by 17,000 autopsies on over 400 species including one gorilla and 200 humans provides clues.

It is my understanding that Doctors are taught that the body cannot heal itself but disease can be managed but not remedied. Except infections.

Free includes debt-free!

As someone who has been studying medicine for several years...

I assure you that every single doctor is well aware that the body (mostly) heals itself. It is not only a fundamental of medicine, it is arguably the fundamental of medicine. (Tooth enamel, for example, can't heal itself, as far as we know based on hundreds of years of research, because the ameloblasts die after enamel formation).

Your approach of assuming all diseases are caused by mineral deficiencies (except infections) is denying genetics, a concept that is is every bit of a law of nature as the laws of thermodynamics.

Life is based on cells.
All life has genes.
All life occurs through biochemistry.

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as someone who has dealt with doctors

for years,i can testify to their own incompetence
and it is on purpose
they do not heal, they do not treat the cause,they treat your symptoms
and they do not care to get to the bottom of what is wrong
if they did,their paychecks would end
I have the same thing wrong with me as a lot of major football players do
the only difference is,they get back on their feet,and i get pain meds
a few people I know have the same thing wrong with them that denny hamlin did
what's the difference here? he got back to racing,the others? well,they got pain meds,and a loss of a job
are these facts? you're damned right they are
but how would i know? i researched it,and i learned,what i didn't do,was change my monicker to hide my guilt

Leave an indelible mark on all of those that you meet.
OH... have fun day :)

I did not intend to mislead. 900 diseases, not all.

900 diseases proven to be nutrient deficiencies that can be remedied by curing the deficiency.

The vet has formulated science based nutrition for humans. Its science based, it's a good wager.

The options are to make expensive urine or risk being deficient. Tin deficiency allows the male pattern baldness gene to turn on.

Free includes debt-free!

Holistic doctors who practice evidenceless 'medicine'...

Inevitaby milk their patients.

And you are setting up an anti-intellectual strawman in order to justify your prejudice. Sometimes mistakes happen. You are right. That does not invalidate science based medicine. Some people in all fields scam. Again, that does not invalidate the entire profession. You are just doing the anti-medicine circlejerk that is all too common around here.

Talk about setting up a strawman

"Holistic doctors who practice evidenceless medicine inevitably milk their patients"

Replace holistic with standard practice medical and I'll agree with both statements.

Is "science based medicine" a

Is "science based medicine" a new kind of religion?

Maybe the holistic practioners just want in on some of the action...

Ann Childers, MD, practioner of fictional "integrative medicine"

What a surprise! Another "intergrative" or "alternative" or "holistic" medicine practioner claims that the rest medicine is a lie! What a surprise! SHE MUST BE RIGHT!!!! Weird! She is a psychiatrist, which most holistics despise, but since she says what you want to hear she is worth quoting right?!

So let me get this straight, every alternative medicine quack is right, even when the flagrantly contradict each other, as long as they insult "mainstream" medicine? Do I understand this fallacious worldview correctly?


Please continue making your

First of all, do you even

First of all, do you even know what "holistic" means? Let me help you out: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/holistic

adjective \hō-ˈlis-tik\

: relating to or concerned with complete systems rather than with individual parts

Secondly, there's this thing called "mathematics" which good scientists use as the tool for understanding Nature. In case you didn't know, the purpose of science is to understand nature.

One of the branches of mathematics explains coupled systems cannot be magically decoupled.

So, let's try to put these two concepts together so you can understand. The human body is a coupled system in and of itself, not to mention that it's also coupled to the environment as well. So in order to properly solve potential health issues, mathematics (the tool of science, remember?) says you have to deal with it "holistically," meaning as a complete system.

So, what reason do you have to believe that "evidence based medicine" which tries to magically decouple these systems actually work at all, i.e. diseases of civilization... diabetes, obesity, cancer, alzheimers, celiacs, crohn's, etc? Or, is that a faith based proposition you're spouting off?

Mother Nature Obeyed, The Scientific Approach of Weston Price, Part 7: Placing Price’s Work in Context

Weston Price died 80 years ago.


Good example. "The Western Price Foundation: Because science research stopped 80 years ago!"

You people are so deep into lalaland with your superstitions that you have no hope of realizing how delusional you are.

Since your asking...but this might sound wierd.

I absolutely agree with many of these comments on nutrition please try the ones you think would help. Natural chelation therapy using chlorella and spirulina can help remove heavy metals. I would also recommend seeking out some Elders(or missionaries)from the Mormon Church (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)and ask them for 'Healing Blessing'(if you haven't already). Sometimes I feel some instances of things like this may have a spiritual aspect to them. Think of it as an experiment. I promise it won't hurt and I believe it can help your Dad.

he is 88

Male life expectancy in the U.S.A.: 75.92


I am sure that you have friends and family that will support you through this hard times.

A friend of mine went through exactly the same thing with his father. Everday he was lucid for only a few minutes. To this day my friend is regretting that he didn't say goodbye to his father when he was lucid.

Face it

He's 88. I understand that you want to help him, and you should, but you have to face reality. Sure, some are still sharp at that age, but most are....
I suggest that you contact the three schools of naturopathic medicine located in WA, OR, and CT, as I recall. Also try schools of traditional Chinese medicine and ask them for lists of grads. I would try to find someone that has been practicing for at least five years.
I think there is a school in AZ but know nothing about the quality.

Also check

with your state medical board.

You should ask yourself if what you perceive to be his problem is in reality more of your problem. Is he expressing that he is suffering? At some time we all must begin to let go. Give him the best nursing care that you can. Find the best personal aid available. Make him comfortable.

Alzheimer's / Dementia with

Alzheimer's / Dementia with Gary Taubes

Alzheimer's / Dementia with Gary Taubes Part 2

Thank you for posting these videos

I got a lot out of these, mainly, inspiration to keep reducing sugar and carbs. Sometimes I forget why I want to do this!
Much appreciated.


Just started listening to this one...

I got a lot out of these, mainly, inspiration to keep reducing sugar and carbs. Sometimes I forget why I want to do this!
Much appreciated.


I got my father's current alternative MD to

finally run a heavy metal test. He previously had a hair analysis from a chiropractor for heavy metals and everything came up normal. This doctor did a provoked urine test using Ca EDTA from Doctor's Data. His results came back as follows (only the metals that were abnormal will be shown):

Metal Result Reference Interval

Aluminum: 65 µg/g creat less than 25

Cadmium: 6.8 µg/g creat less than 0.8

Lead: 22 µg/g creat less than 2

Nickel: 11 µg/g creat less than 8

Uranium: 0.1 µg/g creat less than 0.03

So he excreted almost 2 1/2 times normal amounts of aluminum, 6 times normal amounts of cadmium, 11 times normal of lead, 3 points more than normal of nickel, and nearly a tenth of a point more than normal of uranium. Do any of you think there is any significance to these values, particularly of the lead and cadmium?

On another note, I took my father back to the hospital several days ago after he became nearly unresponsive again, along with the hallucinations. They did a full work-up, and surprise surprise - nothing. They had a geriatric specialist give him a full hour long mental status test and he passed with flying colors. They said that he definitely doesn't have Alzheimer's or Dementia. They started jumping on other "guesses" like maybe his eyes and ears are playing tricks on him, or maybe he's depressed, or maybe this or maybe that. They offered him an anti-depressant drug, but we declined. These stupid conventional doctors know nothing.

I would say there definitely could be some significance

I know aluminum is thought to be associated with Alzheimers http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056430/. Also lead is similarly thought to be related http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22272628/. It also appears that alzheimers patients had more cadmium in their brain tissue http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11867068. I would try bentonite clay to absorb the heavy metals. You can buy this in a powder form online or at your local super supplements store, just have your father take hot baths in it. This will hopefully cause heavy metals to be absorbed into the bathwater through the pores as bentonite clay is negatively charged in water and so it will draw out the heavy metals in your dad's body which are positively charged. One effective way may be to just do foot baths with the stuff to get the most bang for your buck since it is thought to be easier for the toxins to escape through the feet. If you want to see whether it works you could always go back to that doctor who tested the first time and redo the test.

I think you are right conventional doctors know worse than nothing, they "know" a bunch of crap that isn't true, not surprising they would prescribe anti-depressants. When you go into one of those offices one thing to notice is how everything from the clocks, pens, paper, etc is all from some drug company.

try marijuana. if that doesnt

try marijuana. if that doesnt work, i dont know what will. use a vaporizer preferably.

f___ all forms of govt.

just eating it as a vegetable is more natural..

organic, sun-grown, non-gmo-seed preferably

If he were my father

I'd do this. Of course, I cannot tell you what to do, just tell you what I'd do.

Virgin, organic coconut oil

At least 4 eggs a day but only eggs from local pastured chickens.

Organic fruits and veggies, especially organic blueberries, broccoli.

Grassfed beef. A limited amount of wild caught Alaska salmon/halibut/cod. (We don't know the long term effects of radiation pollution in pacific yet.) Sardines.

NO lowfat foods, sugar, wheat, EVER! A ketogenic diet is the ideal, but if not, get as close as possible.

Alpha Lipoic Acid Supplement

Vitaman D3 Supplement - a LARGE dose, but get him tested first.

Vitamin K2 supplement, and grassfed butter like Kerry gold, or Ghee.

Daily Sunshine

Fluoride-free purified water.

A probiotic, and fermented foods like kimchee, kefir, etc.

Find local farmers/ranchers: localharvest.org, or eatwild.com

I wish you and your father the best.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Screw doctors, use a search engine.

I really do hope one of those recommended by other commenters helps you. However, I have effectively treated several mysterious conditions simply by doing a web search using symptoms as key words. Without knowing specific symptoms or doing a search, my first guess would be anemia or low blood oxygen levels due to some other cause. I started suffering many of the same symptoms (except the hallucinations, though my disorientation could be interpreted that way) due to a sudden onset reaction to a blood pressure medication I have been using for years and they disappeared as soon as I switched medications.

Not only will you find possible causes for his symptoms, you can also find natural cures using web searches. You can buy most natural cures at Swanson Vitamins. Swanson not only sells the highest quality I have found, they also are the least expensive; most of the products I have purchased from them have been less than $10 for a supply that can typically last up to 90 days.

If your father's stools are unusually pungent, that can be a sign of a gut flora imbalance, which can result in a multitude of symptoms, including those you described.

If you start working on this as soon as you read my response, I am pretty certain your father will be improving within five business days, which includes the time to receive a shipment from Swanson.

Hope this helps.