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What If Congress Votes No On Syria?

What if Congress votes no on committing acts of war against Syria? Would it then be wise for Rand and others who care about the Constitution to visibly and vocally stand up and tell the military that they must not follow a rogue Commander-in-Chief's illegal orders but must obey the Law of the Land they swore an oath to uphold? What do you think would happen if a large enough group in Congress was courageous enough to actually do such a thing, before Obama even has a chance to issue the illegal orders?




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If NO - action goes covert

If there is a no vote on Syria then the CIA goes covert on Syria and they use other tactics.

Historical examples include:

Nicaragua
Laos
Cuba
Chile
Bolivia
Angola...

John Stockwell, CIA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m3ioJ...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Obama has not stated his

Obama has not stated his intention to "take out" Assad, so no Black Ops are in the offing, IMO.

This is all about face-saving for a cowardly fool.

Think so?

I don't know... I believe the motive is much deeper than saving face although that is an issue.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I think this whole thing is

I think this whole thing is driven by the so-called "pro-Israel lobby". It is manipulating the office of the president to achieve narrow goals which hold no national interest for the US. See this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/israel-ba...

I gotta wonder exactly WHAT is being held over Obama's head to get him to take this no-win position? Must be something bad (and I'm not agreeing with "birthers" by saying this).

Thx

The bad thing being held over the President? He is owned, bought and sold. The majority of them are.

I could also see Obama doing a little word association:

JFK
RFK (would have been Prez)
Reagan...
Yeah, they all bucked the establishment. Only Reagan cheated the hitman.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

The CIA has been covert in Syria

for at least a few years already!

"From the outset in March 2011, the US and its allies have supported the formation of death squads and the incursion of terrorist brigades in a carefully planned undertaking.

The recruitment and training of terror brigades in both Iraq and Syria was modeled on the “Salvador Option”, a “terrorist model” of mass killings by US sponsored death squads in Central America."

Death Squads in Iraq and Syria-The History of America’s Death Squads
http://www.dailypaul.com/297015/terrorism-with-a-human-face-...

Can't be stopped

The CIA budget is invisible.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/cia-budget-unnec...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I expect Obama will not get involved in Syria

And respect the will of the people.

Personally, I don't think Obama wants to go into Syria. He has had years of opportunity.

Going to Congress gives him an out.

Also, Obama sent a bill to the senate that he knew damn well would never get passed. This bill has since been amended by Harry Reid and John McCain.

I think Obama is under enormous internal pressure to invade Syria and has been putting it off for over a year. Just my opinion of course.

I think if we were talking President McCain or Romney, we would already be in Iran, or WWIII would already have happened and all the elites would be holed up in South America, New Zealand and their DUMBS.

Don't read this to be an endorsement of Obama - it's not.

I hope...

...you are correct and he actually is trying to back away from it with Congress as his out. I'm unfortunately not very confident in that hope blooming into reality, though.

The only other possibility

Is that they plan to permanently bypass the Constitution, and perhaps declare martial law. If they were to do that, they had better do it now.

Because the Neo-Con position is becoming extremely unpopular to the general populace, and it is getting worse not better.

Their window of opportunity is closing. If they are very smart they may realize this and go for the whole enchilada. I doubt they are that smart to be honest.

I'm curious to know who it is within the military establishment who originally came up with the 'seven countries in five years' plan.

All the Bush neo-cons are out of power.

I know for sure it's not the Joint Chiefs, they are all against action vs. Syria. Which means the military brass in the Air Force, Navy, Army are all against an action vs. Syria as well.

This leaves only the Pentagon, DoD, military intelligence (doubtful) and the CIA.

Did I miss anyone? What do you think Micah?

I think...

...that source probably goes pretty deep into the inner circles of the global elites.

I am worried that unless Obama caves or is actually secretly wanting an out to avoid war, we may be heading to either world war on the one hand (following the aftermath of engagement with Syria and then Iran), or to -- God forbid -- a conflict at home, if those who support the Constitution eventually stand up and refuse to comply with the tyranny, and the tyrants start trying to arrest people for 'sedition' and/or 'treason' against their supposed authority.

Someone is going to cave -- either the Liberty/Constitution supporters, or the tyrants. Or neither will cave, and the sparks will really fly. :|

THE BUSH NEOCONS ARE NOT OUT OF POWER!

Karl Rove and company (the entire Bush cabinet basically) is still controlling the DC think tanks and lobbying for the military industrial complex in congress!

Why do you think nothing changed when Obombya took office?

It's the same crew that has ALWAYS been there since daddy Bush was running the CIA and the Kennedys and Dr King were removed!

A little history perhaps... it will shed light on the future

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/lind1.html

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

Good point.

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Is anyone here listening to themselves?

Even if Obombya gets the vote, any action in the form of an outright attack on Syria is an act of aggression and a war crime under International Law and treaty!

Committing an act of terror to oppose an act of terror is like killing the patient to stop his cancer from spreading!

Nato has taken up police actions in other countries for much less!

The war criminal in chief is about to make us the enemy of the world! This action will be no different than the acts of 9/11 against us, only this time we will be doing it to Syria who has not attacked us in any way!

THAT IS A WAR CRIME NO MATTER HOW MUCH FROSTING THEY PUT ON THAT TURD BEFORE SERVING IT! It is the job of the UN and NATO to deal with Assad, NOT OURS!

Get your heads on straight and make the threat of impeachment and IMMEDIATE removal of ANYONE in DC supporting an aggressive attack against Syria go viral!!

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

Constitutionally...

then, would violation of international law, treaties and such amount to 'high crimes and misdemeanors' for impeachment? I agree with you, though, that morally it should be grounds for removal.

If the house votes no and the

If the house votes no and the President goes ahead anyway I fully expect the house to try to impeach Obama. I would refer you to the Paul Craig Roberts video recently posted for the explanation why.

Would the Senate acquit?

I find it unlikely that even an egregiously illegal war would prompt even a single molecule of outrage from Senate Leader Reid. Even if the GOP got 62 seats in Nov 2014 would you impeach for an 16 month old offense?

"First rule of Government Spending: Why build one when you can have 2 at twice the price?"
-S.R. Hadden

I see no way the Senate would

I see no way the Senate would convict him with the majority needed to convict. Almost half the Democrats would have to jump ship to convict. The real rats are giving themselves up with their votes. Anybody who votes for war with Syria will most likely end their career in Congress as long as the vote is legitimate!!!!

Ah, that's...

...what I get for being interrupted and only watching the first half of that Paul Craig Roberts video. :) I'll go watch the remainder to see what he said.

Congressmen! Senators! You need to realize...

Obama ISN'T facing a Primary Election in 2014, BUT YOU WILL.

Keep that in mind when Blue Queen Pelosi demands loyalty to party over the objections of 90% of your constituents.

"First rule of Government Spending: Why build one when you can have 2 at twice the price?"
-S.R. Hadden

Well...the fix is already in...

The Senate will get enough votes...and I expect The House will as well.

But if the House vote fails, Obomba will direct the propaganda ministers in the msm to ignore the House vote and focus on the Senate vote.

But I do expect Nazi Piglosi will break out the hammer and the pliers to get enough democrats to vote YES on bombing Syria, just as she did for O-Boehner Care.

If the House vote fails...

...and Obama propagandizes as you suspect, and goes to war anyway; what then will the Liberty and Constitution-minded folks in Congress do? Just fade into the background and let it happen, or make it clear to the People and to the military that any such actions are illegal and such orders must not be complied with?

I believe that

there will be a movement in the congress to impeach obomba and with at least 50% support from the people. Harry Reid will kill it in the senate so obomba will survive but he will be political toast.

You should read this article

by Paul Craig Roberts, he gives his thoughts on the questions you raise. Take the time to read the whole piece!

Will Congress Now Save Obama’s Face By Selling Out Democracy and the Syrian People and Setting the Stage for World War III ?

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09/04/the-high-cost-of-...

The only thing that will happen if Congress votes NO will

be Obama won't be able to get it up for a few weeks.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Meaning that...

...he would go ahead and attack after a few weeks?

It will truly be fascinating if congress votes no

Things will get real interesting

Do you think...

...Obama would actually back down if that happened, or brazenly plow ahead?

Good Question

I honestly don't know. I definitely think he (translation: "his puppeteers") wants war. My guess is that they'll figure out some other event to go to war over to achieve their objectives. This way they'll have cover.