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Rand Paul's Israel Problem

He has cast himself as a defender of the Jewish state, but his anti-interventionist stance puts him at odds with both the Israeli government and leading American Jewish groups.

Garance Franke-Ruta . Sep 6 2013 . The Atlantic

In January, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul made his first visit to the state of Israel, where he attended his first Shabbat dinner, saw the Sea of Galilee and visited the Western Wall.

The trip, according to a National Review piece, "was one turning point in the transformation of Rand Paul from libertarian gadfly to viable presidential candidate," an effort undertaken by "a group of Evangelicals and Jews determined to help get Paul right with Israel."

They may have to try again: Any good will he may have built up with that trip seems poised to vanish as Paul now finds himself on the opposite side of major Jewish groups, pro-Israel lobbyists, and the expressed opinion of the government of Israel when it comes to supporting a U.S. strike on Syria.

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He's got a problem with anti-zionists, I know that so far

Right and left, antizionists just can't stand him.

Perhaps they would appreciate the reality that the pro-war elements in our politics are isolating themselves quickly. And thus becoming easier to identify.

That is if reality impacted them in any way short of a brick.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

America's Israel Problem

Israel is the most hated nation on earth, and for good reason. Their atrocities against the Palestinians, their apartheid policies, their blatant, legalized racism are ample cause for the world's Muslims to despise them, but there's more:

Israel has "conquered" the United States of America, and made its government their stooges. How? A combination of bribes from AIPAC, and an implicit threat from Jewish-owned media, where any criticism of Israel is equated to "anti-semitism," and reviled far and wide at election time. From its purchased and extorted political influence in the U.S., Israel gets veto "protection" from sanctions in the United Nation, they get massive amounts of military and other foreign aid, and they get the biggest bully in the world to do their murdering for them (and to take the casualties.)

And it gets worse: in order to gain sympathy and U.S. public acceptance for a U.S. war against Israel's enemies, the Israeli Mossad clearly was the prime mover of the 9-ll attack. A few highly placed neocons were complicit before and after the crime, but I have NO doubt that it was a Mossad op. Read up on the "dancing Israelis," on Larry Silverstein, the Odigo pre-warnings, the pre-9/11 short sales of airline stocks, think about who could have done the controlled demolitions that brought down three skyscrapers, who had custody of the airport boarding gate security tapes that vanished . . . all roads lead to Israel, not the CIA or any US organization.

Israel is the viper in our bosom, the one and only nation on earth with whom we probably ought to be at war.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

People who just don't get it,

People who just don't get it, misunderstand him, or have an agenda to present him incorrectly paint him as "a defender of the Jewish state". What he has actually cast himself as, is someone who supports the capacity for Israel to defend itself.

I think you're the one that doesn't get it or misunderstand him:

"Rand Paul: "Attack On Israel Will Be Treated As An Attack On US""
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/01/25/rand_paul_...

Listen at what he says, not only in that video but everywhere that he is questioned regarding this, and you'll find that YOU are the one with delusions about his position: he's not someone, like Ron Paul, that "supports the capacity for Israel to defend itself". He has no problem with Israel leeching off the American's tax payer dollars and he absolutely believes in that entangling alliance to the point of fighting their wars, like we've been doing so far.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Sure,

the quote you pulled was Rand's use of relatively meaningless political ambiguity in response to a relatively meaningless and politically ambiguous question. The rest of what he says in the video is more specific and supports exactly what I said.

Meaningless political rhetoric?

The meaningless political rhetoric -aimed at people like the people here, albeit the naive ones- is him saying that he would cut foreign aid for everyone including Israel when everyone knows that it will never happen in the near or even medium future. What can happen though, is Israel dragging us into another war: the statement "An attack on Israel is treated like an attack on Israel" is not meaningless at all.

You're the one falling for the meaningless statement, the fact that Paul has no problem about Israel dragging us into another war isn't meaningless at all...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

"An attack on Israel is

"An attack on Israel is treated like an attack on Israel"

That IS a meaningless statement.

Rand [and Ron] doesn't want Israel dragging us into any conflicts. That is the primary point of his stance, that if Israel bombs Iran -that they do it on their own, that if Israel builds settlements in the West Bank -that they do it on their own, that they can negotiate with Iran and Palestinians on their own and they and the world will ultimately be better off for it. Rand supports Israel's sovereignty and independence. Israel is currently a package deal [sorta like cable tv, I only wanted 5 channels, but they gave me the minimum bundle of 50]. It is a 30 year old son still living with his parents. Rand wants to help push him out the door, wean him off the nipple. There's been too much debate at the dinner table of whether or not Johnny Junior wears a condom tonight on his date.

Israel has its own means of defense. It needs to be recognized as a true ally like UK and Canada, less like Kuwait [Kuwait is not truly sovereign and exists as a protectorate] and South Korea.

Your perspective that he is an utter neocon and uses meaningless rhetoric when pandering to libertarians is unfounded, completely ridiculous, and flirts with being utterly insane.

AIPAC & Israel: Major source of Global Problems

http://www.aipac.org/en/news-hub?id={B09FAD4A-3CB8-4291-A44E-5910EBC9B79E}#

The AIPAC Policy Conference is the pro-Israel community's preeminent annual gathering. The event attracts more than 12,000 community and student activists from all 50 states, and more than half of the Senate, a third of the House of Representatives and countless Israeli and American policymakers and thought leaders. Over three jam-packed days, Policy Conference participants choose from hundreds of informative sessions and participate in the pro-Israel community's largest and most important advocacy day.

All registrations received by October 25 are eligible for an automatic $100 discount off the regular $599 price. This discount will be applied on the payment page.

https://aipac.secure.force.com/event/EV131221

Wow--you get to meet countless "thought leaders"!

Apparently, Rand is willing to play ball but,

unwilling to be a puppet on a string.

Note to ronpaul1fan: Spelling/typo error in your title. It's IsraEl, not IsreAl.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Thanks for the edit...and

prayers for you.

It is very sad that a

tiny little failed socialist state run by psychopaths can control the most powerful country in the world. Something is definitely wrong with this picture.

Stick to your guns, Rand

If the war-mongering wing of Israeli-Americans don't like the idea of a non-interventional US, they have another country they can move to.

If you want to live in the US, the US should come first.

My bet

Netyanahu and Israel LOVE it.. AIPAC and those who see Israel as their own little reunzel for MEC contracts of course don't like rand or anyone who wants to FREE ISRAEL from the US taxpayers tit.