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It is time to tell the US military, stand down on Syria or don't bother to come home

I am a Vietnam-era veteran and I hated the way soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines were treated by an "ungrateful public" during that war (I was naive and bought into the "anti-communist propaganda" spoon fed even by the most liberal of the mainstream media). However, in th case of Syria, our military forces cannot claim such an excuse. If they cannot see WHO is the real enemy here and that they are aligned with it, then they do not belong here.

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Linda Cross's picture

Do you pay your income tax?

Do you subject yourself to body search and x ray when you fly?

I know, killing someone is a whole different level, but we all assist and comply with this government.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

All Military Personnel

Should carry hand cuffs and start using them.

On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.

Catholic military members

now at least have grounds to claim conscientious objector.


Did you stand down and not

Did you stand down and not fight? Or did you follow orders even though you didnt agree with them?

Did you?

Have you served? Did you go to Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere? If so, then you have no moral cover for your question. If not, then you have no experience with the dilemma of standing down or following orders, thus no credible position from which to pass judgment.

I see your question, which the OP already answered, as an attempt to provide cover for the hired guns of the government who have run out of excuses.

For 20 years I was one of them, and I knew what I was - a hired gun of the government. In those 20 years, I spent 6 months in Bosnia but never saw a day of combat.

Do not doubt that those guys talk amongst themselves. We talked about every contingency operation that affected us and a lot that didn't. We talked daily and incessantly about the idiocy of Iraq, both before and after it started. I managed the casualty information for that war, as well as for the Pentagon on 9/11.

The OP is harsh, but he is correct. They weren't drafted. They volunteered. They know what they are, and they know what they are doing. Now they get to choose to murder Syrians and continue paying their bills and supporting their families, or go to jail. Those are their choices. They are not good choices. I for one do not sympathize with them because each one of them chose that life.

I am convinced that if those guys launch those missiles, they are as guilty as Obama of war crimes, and the entire chain of command should be tried as such.

If they "don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'," as the saying goes.

I was active army 00-04. Was

I was active army 00-04. Was the QRF into Iraq after 9/11. As I saw the evidence of building 7 unfold, I spoke out loudly in my unit and beyond and it was not pleasant.

any other questions?

So you know what I'm talking about.

Soldiers talk. All the time. Were you talking to yourself or did your buddies understand things the same way you did? Did you think starting a war with Iraq was constitutionally appropriate? You knew about building 7 and you didn't know you being used as a tool? I don't believe it. You got out.

Where I worked, not a single one of us thought going into Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 or defending the Constitution. But we surely went to work every day, same as you. We eased our consciences by telling ourselves our job was to support you, your family, and our brothers and sisters downrange, which it was. We reported the Army deaths and wounded and notified their families, for a war we thought was wrong. Our people were being misappropriated and dying for no reason.

You dogged the OP out for not standing down, but neither did you, and neither did I. Why are we so special? Why would you judge the OP for not standing down? Is it because you think he is in no position to demand it of the guys with missiles pointed at Syria? Do you really think it's wrong for a veteran of an illegal war to demand that the military cease and desist? They are the only ones who have the power to stop this, if it comes down to it. They are our last line of defense from what comes after those missiles fly, aren't they?

Yeah, I guess I had a few more questions. ;-)

REJECTED !!! in yo face

Thx for your service, and an even bigger thank you for not playing along to get along when confronted with truth.

well played

You seem to be a bit "challenged" ...

...in the reading comprehension department....

You are asking someone other than the OP to answer a question posted to the OP...who has already informed you that he "bought into" the propaganda of the time and obviously fought (or stood) in support of "freedom" over the possibility of a dominoe effect of communism cascading throughout the world.

Lots of us felt the same...we were young and grew up in a time of American "goodness".

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

There are many stories

that Vietnam veterans could tell, some even protested against the war in Vietnam. Nobody bothered to interview them, and we can thank John Kerry for that...he demonized veterans.

Kerry disgraced all Vietnam Veterans, the press promoted it and the people bought it.

Please answer the questions.

Please answer the questions.

The job of the people here

is to add knowledge and information. It's up to you to answer the questions, if you so choose.

you state that you are a

you state that you are a vietnam vet.

my question was "did you stand down"?

Its not my job to answer my own question about your experience in the military.

This is your thread telling soldiers to stand down.

I didn't state

anything of the sort. Your problem is you assume, which makes an ...

You are right...I didnt check

You are right...I didnt check the name....sorry about that.

No problem...