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Please forgive us too because we do not know what we do as well.

donvino

Via Ut Roma

Via Ut Rome - The Road to Rome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWDsvwW8jc

Just imagine...

what could happen if the vatican cashed in it's wealth.
What would Jesus do?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/08/wealth-of-roman-cath...

Ad majorem Dei gloriam

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"2539 Envy is a capital sin. It refers to the sadness at the sight of another's goods and the immoderate desire to acquire them for oneself, even unjustly. When it wishes grave harm to a neighbor it is a mortal sin:

St. Augustine saw envy as "the diabolical sin."327 "From envy are born hatred, detraction, calumny, joy caused by the misfortune of a neighbor, and displeasure caused by his prosperity."328

2540 Envy represents a form of sadness and therefore a refusal of charity; the baptized person should struggle against it by exercising good will. Envy often comes from pride; the baptized person should train himself to live in humility:

Would you like to see God glorified by you? Then rejoice in your brother's progress and you will immediately give glory to God. Because his servant could conquer envy by rejoicing in the merits of others, God will be praised.329 "

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2...

Pax. ;-)

From The Lord

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter heaven.
Earthly wealth was the very thing that Christ riled against.
Remember Christ in the temple.? What is the vatican, if not a temple?
http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-12.htm

Steward ...

... of Valuables.

John 12 1 Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2 There they made him a supper; Martha served, and Lazarus was one of those at table with him. 3 Mary took a pound of costly ointment of pure nard and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the ointment. 4 But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was to betray him), said, 5 "Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box he used to take what was put into it. 7 Jesus said, "Let her alone, let her keep it for the day of my burial. 8 The poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me."

What would Jesus do? ...... Reprove.

Pope Francis had the following commentary on this:

"Let us think of that moment with the Magdalene, when she washed the feet of Jesus with nard, which was so expensive: it is a religious moment, a moment of gratitude, a moment of love. And he [Judas] stands apart and criticizes her bitterly: 'But ... this could be used for the poor!'. This is the first reference that I personally found in the Gospel of poverty as an ideology. The ideologue does not know what love is, because they do not know how to gift themselves".

SEE:
http://restlesspilgrim.net/blog/2013/08/27/vatican-wealth/

There is a Biblical quotation

for every occasion.
I have no grist with the everyday hard working faithful Catholic person.
But I do have a problem reconciling the vast, vast wealth and business practices of the vatican.
As I have gotten older, many of my catholic friends have looked closely at the division between what their church says and what it does.
Very few have let the Church, and none have lost their faith in God, they are just older and wiser, and most of them know their history.
When Jesus stated that the poor you always have with you, is a very true statement, but you should always have Christian Charity along with it.
The vatican is worth between 10 to 15 Billion dollars..... that is alot of charity.

Caritas in Veritate

The Gospels do not promote Marxist redistribution of loaves and fishes as a doctrine to cure poverty. I don't wish to sound condescending, but my experience with Catholicism is the opposite of what you describe. When I was younger, I thought as you. But I found room in the church to explore timeless mysteries. As the comments to the following article reveal, the Catholic thing swings across the continuum.

http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/on-redistributi...

I find the Catholic tradition breeds dissidents. Most mature Catholics of my experience are not much into conformity of viewpoint and have learned a healthy skepticism of centralized authority. Most Catholics I know see the vatican as more or less authoritative, but not authoritarian, and accordingly, practice some form of birth control or premarital sex, for example. To the extent they are pro life, most, I believe, have come to that personal conclusion without reliance upon dogma of deference to an hierarchical authority beyond their own exercised minds and souls. Those minds are informed by the history of the church, both sublime and nefarious.

In my later years, I have grown in respect to better appreciate the gloriously spacious soaring heights of magnificent cathedralic Truth in the very history and tradition you would like to see liquidated.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?rl=yes&feature=fvwrel&v=7KvrbYZB2...

If you liked that, and since today is Sunday, may I commend a Weekend Meditation opening the following links simultaneously in 2 windows.

http://arsorandi.blogspot.com/

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pmOGEmstuY&fulldescription=1&h...

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum!

What a fantastic conversation.

But I would like to point out that I don't want to see the Catholic Church liquidated, it's traditions rejected and over turned. I certainly don't want to see the destruction of Catholic churches, nor her magnificent Cathedrals. The world would be a much poorer place without the dedicated and tireless work of many of the people who embrace the catholic doctrine.
Just a clean out of the deep corruption that has worked it's way to the highest levels.
Thank you for engaging in this, it has given me something to revisit.
And because I am not catholic, and can't speak Latin, my sign off will be in English.
Go in peace.

Ave Maria

I'm not one to subscribe to any orthodoxy. I've always been more comfortable among dissenters. But I see no point in debating particulars of faith, good or bad, liberal or conservative, or generally any self-righteous magisterium. For that reason I haven't chimed in on LL's unnecessarily divisive Mother Mary thread. So I'll share this here:

The Catholic educator, Cardinal John Henry Newman, was quoted in an article I cite stating in 1852 the ideal I hail: The church "fears no knowledge," Newman says, "but she purifies all; she represses no element of our nature, but cultivates the whole."

Jill, as our good faith dialog demonstrates, there can be cultivated uplifting harmony from many voices.

From the sublime ...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZL0oL8I8hM&fulldescription=1&g...

[ As that video depicts, if all we did was focus on pedestrian mundanity of the knaves lurking even in that other citadel of centralized iniquity and intrigue, the District of Columbia, we may miss celestial exaltation, joyful, beautiful echoes of Spirit to be found next door under vaulted naves of exhilarating tradition. ]

... To the ridiculous:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/03/hail-mary?page=1

In the words of Cardinal Newman, "I wish the intellect to range with the utmost freedom."

That's the tradition I embrace.
AMDG ;-)

Thank you..... this is pure class

I get so tired of the Jr. High knee jerk reactions here to anything good and noble if it includes the name "Catholic" that I don't come too often anymore. Couldn't imagine that seeing 100,000 people praying for peace would draw the typical response, but Jill proved me wrong. Thanks for the classy and charitable response.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Very clear and thorough

Very clear and thorough response. Thanks.

Thank you

Thank you for posting!