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National Vote of No Confidence

I started thinking this afternoon about what might happen if it turned out that the president and members of congress (both parties) had knowingly lent support to terrorists in Syria and Egypt. How could you punish those guilty of crimes if they inhabit top levels of government, and when all power and authority flows from the "top-down"? How do you restore "bottom-up" power peacefully, and without a destructive citizen revolt? How do make such changes, and maintain the existing Republic without dangerous martial-law, and without a risky constitutional convention? This was a fun mental exercise and here is the idea I had, in the form of a resolution. I tried to cover all the bases (which made it rather long), so set aside a few minutes to read this and tell me what you think.

Resolution for a National Vote of No-Confidence

By the public admission of the US Secretary of State, John Kerry, it is known that "extremist groups make up between 15% and 25% of the rebels fighting against Syrian leader Bashar Assad".

Secretary Kerry was publicly corrected by Congressman Michael McCaul of Texas, who noted that in non-public briefings "half of the opposition fighters were extremists".

The extremist Syrian rebels include members of the U.S. designated terrorist organizations al-Nusra Front and al-Qaeda.

The extremist Egyptian group known as the Muslim Brotherhood also counts amongst its ranks former members of the designated terrorist organization al-Qaeda.

Under US law 18 USC § 2339
"Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life."

Members of the legislative and executive branches of the U.S. government have provided overt and covert material support to known terrorist members of the above Syrian and Egyptian groups.

The U.S. congress has provided overt financial-aid in support of the former Morsi-government in Egypt, which supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

Agencies of the U.S. government have provided both the Muslim Brotherhood and the Syrian rebels with financial support, military-grade assault weapons, explosive ordinance, rocket-propelled munitions, and allegedly, weapons of mass destruction.

Attempts by members of Congress, and by the administration of the President of the United States to engage in military strikes against the Syrian Government has lent psychological support to the Syrian rebels.

Said support is a criminal act, because it has directly aided terrorist extremists within the Syrian and Egyptian groups allowing them to carry out well-documented, public-acts of terrorism against civilians, as well as war-crimes against the uniformed military personnel in both Egypt and Syria.

Such acts include, but are not limited to; decapitation, torture, public-execution, cannibalism, desecration of corpses, and the destruction of ancient religious structures. Many acts have targeted innocent women, children, and religious figures, on the basis of religious belief, under the motive of criminal fundamentalism.

The threat of war against the Syrian government, without proper authorization or reasonable substantiation, is itself an act of terrorism. This is proven by the fact that millions of refugees are fleeing Syria in terror.

Public opinion is overwhelmingly against military support of Syrian and Egyptian extremists, and the unrelenting attempts by various public officials to engage the U.S. military in Syria are a violation of public trust.

Such an engagement threatens to escalate into a regional, if not global war, which poses a grave threat to the safety and the liberty of the citizens of the U.S., and of the world.

The public has demanded proof, authorization, and adherence-to-law, which has gone largely unheeded by the leadership of both political parties within the U.S. government.

Those who lent aid to the terrorists potentially hold office in all branches and levels of the U.S. government, which prohibits the use of Congress or its appointees in the determination of guilt.

Should the president be found guilty, any of his immediate successors may attempt to use the power of presidential pardon to let the guilty parties slip from justice.

Recent discoveries about the NSA call into question the cryptographic security of electronic voting systems.

Now, Therefore, Be It Resolved:
1. The people of the United States of America demand that a national vote of no-confidence in the U.S. Federal government be held BY PAPER BALLOT.

2. If two thirds of the states affirm a vote of no-confidence, it marks the withdrawal of the consent of the governed, and all legislative and executive powers of the Federal government are immediately suspended.

3. In the event that no-confidence is affirmed, the protections of the U.S. Constitution shall remain completely in-force. A vote of no-confidence by the people does NOT suspend the rights of the people guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution. Only executive and legislative powers are suspended, and only at the Federal level.

4. A vote of no-confidence by the people cannot lead to martial law or a national state of emergency because only the U.S. President, whose powers are suspended, may declare either.

5. From the states, a tribunal of elected citizens shall be formed to reach a verdict in matters pertaining to U.S. government support of terrorists in Egypt and Syria. Each state will be responsible for the selection of its contingent to the tribunal.

6. No federal employee, federal elected official, or federal appointee shall be eligible to participate in the tribunal.

7. From before the vote of no-confidence, until the conclusion of the tribunal, the U.S. military shall not engage in any civilian police activities within any U.S. territory. All civilian policing authority shall remain in the hands of state civilian authorities. U.S. military forces shall not move from their posts until confidence has been restored in the Federal government.

8. As soon as any state affirms no-confidence, volunteer-based, state-run militias may be formed to protect their citizens from retaliatory crimes by Federal organizations and guilty Federal officials. The governor of a state will act as the civilian commander in chief of a state militia. Each state will be responsible for the laws governing the formation and disband of said militias.

9. The election of the tribunal must be done in a manner that is deemed consistent with the U.S. constitution, and sufficient membership must be elected to perform all duties, up to and including judgement, such that justice is swift.

10. The tribunal derives its powers from the vote of the people, but these powers are limited and it may only investigate the criminal acts of the U.S. Congress, and of the offices of the President of the United States, and of complicit offices and agencies of the U.S. government, and only in matters pertaining to U.S. government support of terrorists in Egypt and Syria.

11. The elected criminal tribunal, upon determining the guilt of various Federal officials, is granted the authority to lay criminal punishment, but only in accordance with U.S. law, and must do so in a manner deemed consistent with the U.S. Constitution.

12. Once all guilty parties have been justly punished, and the tribunal is disbanded, the vacated offices of formerly elected officials may be filled only by special election and a vote of the people. No elected office shall be filled by appointment, and Federal legislative/executive powers shall not be restored until the vast majority of vacant elected offices are filled.

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Trying to Spread the Word

I've just e-mailed this idea to a number of newspaper editors and radio talk-shows. I guess I'll wait and see if somebody in the national-press starts talking about it.

Any Recommendations?

I made an attempt to consider all the pit-falls of such a tactic, but Would anyone recommend changes to the resolution?

Isn't this how palpatine took power?

Did the republic take a vote of no confidence?

Maybe Senator Paul could propose a Referendum.

Would it be possible for Rand Paul to Propose a National Referendum to allow the American public to vote on this issue directly? Iceland did this when they were being threatened by the EU and World Bank to pay back the 10b dollars that the Banksters stole from the, and they overwhelmingly won!

This would certainly send Washington a very stern message from the people...which is something that is long overdue!

"Liberty tastes sweetest to those who fight for it, and most bitter to those who work to deny it!"


Having a Champion Would be Great

Having a champion for real legislation is far better than trying to build grass-roots support via county resolution. The question is, what legislator or public figure would dare bring this idea into the national conversation?

Aiding and abetting terrorists

This is key:
Under US law 18 USC § 2339,
"Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life."

Therefore, anyone in the U.S. government who supplies arms to Syrian rebels or supports them militarily with missile strikes, commits the crime of aiding and abetting U.S. designated terrorist organizations al-Nusra Front and al-Qaeda.

Would be great to see Obama, Kerry, McCain and Graham in the same cell block.

But who will USE the key?

Not anyone in Eric Holder's Justice (sic) Department.

I think addunham is on the right track: any such action has to go outside the normal legal channels, because the villains control those.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Vote of No Confidence

Excellent work you did! Shutting down the FEDERAL gov. is the solution. Now how can we pull this off? Next step?

Gerald Mangold

Contact Your Local Chairperson

Call, write, e-mail your county GOP or Democrat chairperson. Ask them to call an emergency meeting of the board, and ask them to pass this resolution. A resolution is purely symbolic, but it is one way to build support.

If support is overwhelming (and bipartisan), then we move from passing resolutions, to passing law.

From Friedrich Neitzsche’s

From Friedrich Neitzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil;
Aphorism number 183
“Not that you lied to me but that I no longer believe you has shaken me.”

I'm not sure about the legal mumbo jumbo, but....

No Confidence is putting it mildly!

But I do like the sound of it.

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville


Sorry if it sounds like legalese (I'm no lawyer). I wanted to write it in the form of a resolution, so that any political body (local, county, or state GOP/Dem board) could opt to pass the resolution in support of the concept. Perhaps if enough county/state orgs adopt the resolution, it would put government back in the position of fearing the people.

That's great

I like it.