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United States Has Not Won a War in 70 Years

Think about it. Since 1945 ...

Korea - Forced to withdraw, giving communists control of the north, and there is still today a "cease fire" -- the "war" or "police action" is officially not ended.

Vietnam - Forced to withdraw, handing it over to the communists, only to see the nation reject communism and embrace a more capitalist, freer society -- WITHOUT war.

Afghanistan - The Taliban government offered to turn over Osama bin Laden (friend of the Bush family and CIA asset) to a neutral third party after 9/11, if only the US government would provide evidence he was involved in the attack. The US government refused. Notably, the FBI claimed they had no solid evidence he was involved. The US invaded presumably to hunt for bin Laden. Although they claim he was killed (on the eve of a book coming out showing the Obama was not a natural born citizen), there was never any actual evidence to prove that bin Laden was actually killed. Today, the situation in Afghanistan is a clusterf&ck, with the US negotiating peace terms with none other than ... the TALIBAN. It's looking more and more like yet another failed war and withdrawal accomplishing absolutely nothing.

Iraq - US invaded for the sole purpose of killing Hussein. After they did, the "wrong" religious sect took control. Christians fled to Syria, where they are once again in danger of the wrong people gaining control. The situation is far worse today in Iraq then when Hussein was around.

In fact, NOTHING positive has been accomplished for the American people in almost 70 YEARS after WWII -- at the cost of trillions of dollars, millions of lives, and a growing hatred around the world towards a people who just a couple decades ago were looked up to as some of the great people of the world.

And it is all being done in the name of "defending freedom in America," while the reality is that freedom is being destroyed in America by the very same individuals who are destroying lives on the other side of the world.

Let's put it all into perspective: for several decades now, the real enemy has been Congress.

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When the goal is to

When the goal is to destabilized the Middle East(and install military bases) to prevent China or Russia from attaining its energy resources, I'd say it is winning in flying colors.

"Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world."
~ Kissinger

"He who controls Eurasia, controls the World."



There are no winners in war. Once you are at war, you have already lost.

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What are you talking

What are you talking about?
The United States hasn't fought a remotely legitimate war in 70 years!
A better way of saying it would be that the United States has failed at every military non-war action for the last 70 years!

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

My country has been at war my

My country has been at war my entire life. And has not won any of them, So sad.

So stop being a federal

So stop being a federal citizen then, and return to the country of your berth: Ohio, wasn't it? It doesn't fight needless wars. :-)

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

"Countries" don't win or lose anything.

"Countries" are verbal inventions of man which we are taught to honor by the gangs that rule them. A verbal invention does not have a life of its own, and cannot "win" or "lose" anything. Only living beings win or lose. Many people lose their property and their lives in war -- while others win great fortunes, financing the wars and selling munitions. Northrup and GE stockholders have never lost a war.

Wars are fought so that certain people may benefit -- and they usually do, no matter which "country" claims victory. Notice that the men who plan and declare wars are never the men who fight them. Neither are the men who get rich selling bombs, bullets and all the ingenious ways men have found to kill one another and destroy their property. War IS a racket, and as long as it continues to be a profitable one, some people will continue to promote them. And as long as we accept the moral right of "governments" to force us to do the fighting for them, those "governments" will be the primary tool of the war promoters, the perpetual target for corruption.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

So American didn't win the Revolutionary War

My understanding of the situation is that we created a list of complaints against the British Monarchy and that after the fight we gained relief for most, if not all, of those complaints.


There is no homogenous "America"

With the Revolutionary War, some people gained certain freedoms, for awhile. Others lost their property, their livelihoods or their lives. Some preferred British rule, and lost it. Was it a war worth fighting at all? I believe it would have been, if they'd stuck to the libertarian ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence. But they didn't.

The Revolutionary War started out as a tax rebellion. How many years did it take, I wonder, before "taxation WITH representation" surpassed the "taxation WITHOUT representation" that the colonists rebelled against? (I don't know the answer to that question -- does anyone? I'm guessing: not very many.)

"We" didn't win the Revolutionary War -- maybe some of our ancestors did, and more power to them. In any case, we are NOT the heirs of whatever fleeting victory they achieved. The minimal government they preferred has grown fat and evil beyond the wildest dreams of King George III, and the liberties that they fought for are nothing but memories.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose


Nationalism is collectivism. To paraphrase Rothbard, when you think about international politics in terms of individuals and not abstract collectivisms such as "countries" or "states," suddenly "America sent an army to invade Syria," becomes "a handful of these 315,000,000 persons sent these 100,000 persons to conquer these 22,000,000 persons."

It's an illusion to make us feel patriotic about being controlled.

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We won the war in Iraq. (For Israel.) And we won the war in Libya (for the international bankers.) I guess we won the war in Afghanistan, too. (For Halliburton.) I'm sure there are more. Somebody always wins our wars -- even if it's just the graveworms and the folks selling bombs.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose


We haven't had a justifiable war since 1812.


The War of 1812 - An Act of Manifest Destiny

Some of the pretenses for the War of 1812 were to stop the illegal restriction of American international trade by Britain and the impressment of American sailors into the Royal Navy. But there was also the hidden agenda of 'manifest destiny' by those in James Madison's government such as Henry Clay and John C. Calhoun (known as 'war hawks') who believed that Canada should be liberated from the British so that all of North America would be part of the United States. In the end the war was a defeat for the American armies as they were driven out of Canada.

An excellent introduction of the War of 1812 can be found here (see: http://www.warof1812.ca/intro.html) and the summary of the war's end here (see: http://www.warof1812.ca/summary.html).

Here is a paper on the ideology of American manifest destiny (see: http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/essays/1801-1900/manifest-destiny/... ).

There are those who work towards global manifest destiny having access to huge amounts of capital used to exert great influence in Washington politics. These very dangerous men must be exposed and rooted out before the world descends into economic chaos and destruction.

There's that too...

However, impressment of Americans is a form of kidnapping. That's an act of aggression and America would be obligated to protect it's citizens against such things.


Can you imagine the conversation between Winston

Churchill and FDR?
Churchill, begging Roosevelt, "dude you gotta help us out here, we are getting bombed by the Germans"
Roosevelt, "So, you guys burned my house down"
Churchill, "What do you want?"
Roosevelt, "Your empire, oh and whatever gold you guys have left"
Churchill, "Ok"

I would take it back to the

I would take it back to the Revolution, personally.

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