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Bloodthirsty, Frothing-at-the-Mouth Religious Fanatics

I speak of course of American “evangelical” Christians who the Republican Party is apparently whipping up into a frenzy to support a war in Syria. Referring to the Old Testament, these phony-baloney, Mercedes-driving preachers inform their flocks that Jesus Christ needs their human help in the form of committing mass murder and mayhem in Syria before he can return to earth. These are the same people who nearly booed Ron Paul off the stage at one of their conventions for reminding them that Jesus is known as The Prince of Peace.

Thomas Delorenzo
@ LRC
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/08/some-se...

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Right

and these guys are not mainline. They are fringe.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Once again

If that is going on its fringe.

Walk into most evangelical Christian churches in America today and show them that article and they will be surprised and probably laugh and think its ridiculous.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

ron paul supporters

have been labeled fringe from day one.

What does that

have to do with this discussion?

Ron Paul supporters are certainly much more popular today than they were on day 1.

But these articles about Bible verses on bombs aren't comparable with what Ron Paul supporters believe, nor are they consistent with what most evangelical Christians believe.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

plenty

and you're missing my point.
it's that the word fringe which is used so conviently these days, that it's something of a misnomer, used to belittle or to act like there's just a few fanatics. sure, there are many more ron paul supporters but the left and right still label us fringe. in the past was 'kill a commie for christ'fringe? was it a fringe of evangelicals jumping up and down for the iraq war? was it a fringe of GOP christians booing ron paul when he spoke of the golden rule or for his non aggressive foreign policy?
now the evangelicals are 62% against the syria attack because it's dawned on them that christians are being killed and were protected under assad. if that wasn't so do you seriously think that percentage would stay the same?
i question your using the word fringe to describe evangelical warmongers, although i will certainly give you that there are degrees, and the ones in the article delorenzo attacks are especially nutty.

I am not saying

that there aren't any people out there like that. There certainly are.
BUT most faithful Christians who are actually trying to be obedient to Jesus call on their life do not take that view.

The people you are talking about have hijacked the faith and given it a bad name. Even W. after leaving office had an interview where he stated the Bible is a nice book of moral stories and all religions pray to the same God which is not in line with orthodox Christianity. You are right, many evangelical Christians did support W. and they were wrong and some of them have seen the light, others remain in their ignorance.

John Hagee and the Israel defenders believe in dispensationalism which is a whole other conversation. Its bad theology, a simple reading of the book of Romans helps us see that the Jews are not God's chosen people, those that have placed their faith in Christ are. Therefore, no special treatment of Israel is needed. They can be our good allies but no better or worse than any other country.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

fair enough

i pray that you are right.

Even worse

After perusing this article, it's even more despicable and ridiculous for Delorenzo to say what he said and shows his prejudice and hatred. This article is not about Christians being PRO-war in Syria. It's an article about Christians being interested in possible prophetic fulfillment coming to pass amid the middle eastern turmoil. It's not quoting pastors or preachers saying, "call your congressman, let's get the bombing started so Jesus can come back!!" Apparently my first assessment of Delorenzo was correct.

While I don't agree with the

While I don't agree with the generalization, we do have Christian Zionist that promote violence for the sake of Israel. I just looked at a video of John Hagee praying about war. While it isn't as widespread as the guy is making it, they are out there.

Then

Praying FOR war? About war? Please link. Like I said, as an "evangelical" I have NEVER experienced what Lorenzo is suggesting this article is about. Still, the Article is not about what he says it's about! It's about Christians reading into world events. Not drooling and hoping we bomb people.

Christian Zionism is one of

Christian Zionism is one of the most dangerous ideas in the West.

Ted Cruz

What's worse is Ted Cruz was cavorting with the jihadis for jesus crowd at this conference recently.

http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer

Twitter was downright frightening with the aggressive tweets, justifying killing in the name of the bible.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

If you know of ANY Christians who support the rebels and Obama

Send them this, they will be horrified:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/08/1236713/-Al-Qaeda-r...

Highlights:

Residents of the ancient and mainly Christian town — one of the last places where Western Aramaic, the language of Jesus Christ, is still spoken — vowed not to succumb to sectarianism

Almost all Christians in the conflict-torn Syrian city of Homs have fled violence and persecution, amid reports that their homes have been attacked and seized by “fanatics” with links to al-Qaida.

With ninety percent of Christians having reportedly left their homes, the violence is driving fears that Syria could become a “second Iraq” with church attacks, kidnappings and forced expulsions of believers.

The exodus of 50,000 or more Christians has taken place largely in the past six weeks.

They should not

Because Assad's regime has been secular and it has protected Christians up until now, until the rebels, outside forces, have been burning the churches and beheading their clergy.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

and according to a recent survey

62% are against a syrian strike mostly for those reasons.

and the pope has come out against the strike.

that said i'll never forget the booing from the GOP when ron paul cited the golden rule.

Oh how they stray from the word.

Assuming that American Evangelical Christians' actions are based on the words and deeds of Christ is like assuming that today's conservatives follow the conservative policies of Calvin Coolidge or that today's liberals follow the teachings of Jefferson or Madison.

anti-Christian Divisive Athiest Post

sick of the Christian haters, it's BS quote.

I know a shitload of Catholics, Baptists etc., that are not for war and support Rand and Ron Paul.

The other thing is that the Muslim can do no wrong crowd are idiots, Muslims hate Christians, I'm not really seeing a whole lot of Christians beheading Muslims.

word

Word, my man! That's what I'm saying. It's a joke, I've heard no one say anything in regard to Syria and I'm about as Evangelical, reformed, what have you as they come. This is just an example of bigotry and prejudice.

I think TDL is a Christian

If he isn't he'd be an exception in the LVMI group which is mostly Catholic. Except for Walter Block who is ethnically Jewish.

If I'm correct TDL would help things by making this clearer.

I so think whether he is or not if it were me, I would be clear I wasn't casting aspersions against all Christians, just the in fact bloodthirsty chickenhawks, of which there are plenty of progressive atheists in the chickenhawk category.

Who says Muslims do no wrong?

Who says Muslims do no wrong? All I see are shouts of "anti-Semitism" when one suggests that SOME Jews have done wrong.

And Christians and Jews don't need to behead. They have their governments killing with drones, depleted uranium, white phosphurus. Israel in fact, killed just as many children in Gaza with White Phosphurus during Operation Cast Lead, as were killed in the recent chemical attack in Syria.

The people who

don't see what awesome things Israel does and blames Israel for any slight real or imagined they feel for Palestinians (Muslims).

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-09/09/c_1253459...

You're Right.

The "Bombs for Jesus" crowd is now waking up to the fact the Christians are the ones getting the worst of it in these wars.

Now they blame Obomba, which makes them happy!

Wait till they find out that hundreds of thousands of Christians were killed or dislocated in Iraq under their idol George w bush.

Wait till these people find out who the real enemies of Zionism are.

Evangelical Christians hate Muslims.

And anything that KILLS Muslims - right or wrong, they are in favor of.

And if nothing else, an attack will kill Muslims. That's for sure.

I, by the way, used to be a Christian. I am not anymore. And this is PART of the reason.

Not all Christians who would consider themselves Evangelical..

hate Muslims. I consider myself one, and I do not hate Muslims. I hold to Jesus' word when He said: Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God, and Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Being

Being an Evangelical and not hating Muslims, (not that they're not doing their level best to get me to hate them) I think your remark is basically an expression of your hatred for Christians and not at all true, since I don't know a Christian who hates Muslims and I know a lot of them, since I AM ONE! There is no used to be a Christian by the way.

you are doing the same thing!

with:
Being an Evangelical and not hating Muslims, (not that they're not doing their level best to get me to hate them)

all muslims doing their best to get you to hate them? i lived in a muslim country and i found very few of the hateful sort you refer to. turn off your TV please.

I don't

I don't a large number of Christians out beheading Muslims, and I don't watch TV and there are as far as I know after being a Christian for over a decade, there are no violent tenants which anyone is called to follow. That is not so in Islam.

Do you know a large number of "Christians" who chear and wave

flags when the US massacres tens of thousands of Muslims with its military operations?

Beheading might be graphic, but its rare - ESPECIALLY rare compared to the tens of thousands that we have killed with bullets ripping through their bodies, and bombs blowing their bodies apart.

Our view of the war has been sanitized. I doubt that you have seen many images of blown up bodies and those burned to a crisp, but even conservative estimates say we have done it tens of thousands of times.

Did you think that US troops "defending our freedom" (biggest falsity there is), did it by giving them all a "firm talking to"?

If you SAW the images of torn apart bodies in proportion to the number that we have killed and compared to the number of beheadings you might have seen - you might change your biased opinion.

I think

I think you're missing my point. Muslim extremism is truly violent. Is Christian extremism violent? No. Do Muslims kill Christians, simply for being Christian, put them in prison for being Christians and is that consistent with their religious beliefs? Yes it is. And while I wouldn't put a specific number on them, I would bet it is a noticeable percentage of total Muslim population. We Christians have a black eye too, Westboro Baptist is pretty ugly, but that is one church, total congregation size, what... 1,000? Out of the world of Evangelicals, what is the percentage? Out of the population of total world Christianity, what's the percentage there? I don't know any Christians that wave flags and get excited about anyone being killed ever. That is a true statement. But if the did, they could be convicted of sinning, I'm not sure that can be said for a Muslim who would do the same.

You can call my opinion biased, I don't accept that.

It's a good thing I didn't buy Delorenzo's book on Lincoln, it was on my list, but to know he can't even read a news article for content makes me think he can't be a great historian.