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My day at the park (educating Marine recruits)

I took my daughter to a local park yesterday, and there were a bunch of high-school guys (and 1 girl), and four Marines in full garb, putting them through drills, everyone shouting Sir, Yes Sir etc.

When they had completed their drills, I thought up an excuse to talk to them...I went over and asked what the group was, and the lead Marine said it was new recruits from high-school. I told him my wife's son was interested in the military and may be interested in joining their group (except I didn't tell them he actually wants to be a Navy Seal). Also, I kind of look like I could be or was in the military too, as I am in great shape, shaved head (people have told me they think I'm in the military)... so that may have helped break the ice.

I then politely said I appreciate what they do, and that they probably joined to make the world a better place. I had everyone's attention, so I proceeded to lay out that in order to fight evil you first have to be able to identify evil... I then rattled off some facts about the Fed, and central banks, and the Rothschilds, and why Lincoln and Kennedy were really assassinated, and how Andrew Jackson was almost too, trying to get rid of the central bank.... and many more things, like the Petro dollar, big money controlling drugs and oil pipelines in Afghanistan; said it pretty quickly and concisely, that I surprised myself. I then suggested that they commit to memory and try and watch "All Wars Are Bankers Wars" by Michael Rivero... I then said a few more things, and then told them not to take my word for it, but please research it themselves. I thanked them for their time, and went back to the playground. They all seemed very appreciative and I didn't hear any more shouting what-so-ever after that, they just all stood around talking quietly.. so I hope I did some good... it sure felt good to try and share some knowledge on something other than a computer.

I had my Ron Paul baseball hat on too.

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Stepping Lightly

I happen to be in a very unique position to interact with active Marines all week long. I always have to be cautious in how I approach discussing the bigger picture with them. The loyalty to Government firewall is very hard to temporarily move aside to have an intelligent conversation with these kids.

A couple weeks ago I had a couple needing my shop services. As I was working I dropped a keyword here and there during the conversation. They were reserved in how they responded to these keywords as the discussion progressed. I mentioned that I understood that they had to be cautious about what they discuss.

As I talked about the 3 percenters, Oathkeepers, The Revolution and Ron Paul all I got from them was smiles or nods now and then. I could read the agreement in their eyes. I finished up the repair and they were ready to drive out when they finally made a statement that confirmed they were on board and somewhat awake.

They asked me if I ever listen to Alex Jones! To hear this from active duty Marines was very promising indeed!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Love It...here's why..

What you did took courage. I doubt anyone here has the balls to do that. I don't think I am at that point yet. Somehow, however, they are willing to critic your words and write your speech. Typical.

I don't care if you sounded like a "nutjob". It took me meeting, watching, and hearing many nutjobs (including Dr. RP) to come to the "let me research this" point in my life. I continue to meet nutjobs and learn new things.

The sooner the youth are exposed to nutjobs, the sooner they will question the nutjob, and the soon the awakening will happen. I wish I ran into you when I was 17.

You see, in the pursuit of truth, I have learned that having an awareness of these things makes one a nutjob. Consider it a badge of honor, rather than a condescending title.

Nice Job.

-theredcapper (nutjob)

Thank you

from one nutjob to another!

For the record...

...if they actually did attempt to kill Jackson, I have a fairly good idea of why it didn't succeed.

Jackson was very, very good at the art of violence.

They did

They did attempt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_jackson#Attack_and_assas...
But ofcourse the official story is that some individual with personal vendetta attempted the assassination. There is no mention of central banks and related issues.

But Andrew Jackson was like a boss :)

Too Much

My take is that you tried to put too much into a brief encounter.
These High School guys and gal (and their Marine trainers) don't give a lick about Rothchilds, central banks, the fed, war on drugs, war on peverty, etc, etc, etc.
They DO care about the military. I think a better approach would have been to limit any talking to what 'legal orders' are, their responsibility to disobey illegal orders, balance of power (congress declares war and the president administers it), and real wars (the ones with soldiers and marines dying).
With a smaller dose of what they care about there is a better chance of them retaining something. That is the real goal here.

And BTW - these guys (and gal) are 'poolees'. They are not 'recruits' until they get to Boot Camp.

I disagree

I think they are just people, and most likely are joining the military to fight the "bad guy", just like I contemplated when I was younger... also they need work getting out of high-school and those armed forces commercials look really enticing.

I think what you are talking about, balance of powers, etc would be way too much.. sounds like someone with an agenda, and certainly not a small dose... hey kids, you need to disobey orders! And it is not even accurate.. congress declares war and the president administers it... says who? The people who scribbled the "constitution" on a piece of paper? I never signed that paper, nor did I ever agree to it. I could have got into how borders on a map are just lines drawn up by the power ellite, and that there is no form of good government. Either way, I don't care what you call them poolees, recruits, high-school kids... they are all just people, and most of them are probably trying to do the right thing.

As for things being "legal"... legality has absolutely nothing to do with morality... I don't care if the orders are "legal"... the main concern is are they moral!!!!! Congress passes all kinds of "legal" laws that go against morality. Please watch some Larken Rose videos. Everything Hitler did was entirely legal. Everything this country was founded on was entirely illegal.

As for them thinking I am a "nutjob"... I really didn't care what they thought of me, I was just asking them to look a few things up. From the looks on their faces, I think they were waiting for my next order on what to do!

I have to agree. The

I have to agree. The encounter as described did way more more harm than good. They think you're a nutjob. You have to pick ONE thing, and talk about it moderately so they can come to their own conclusions.

Good job

One of my life purposes is to give everyone a dose and it dont matter where. Almost a decade ago I decided this was a individual leaderless revolultion and made it my ambition when ever talking to someone new I always move the conversation around to explain the monitory system and other lies that have never been set straight.

Some times Its discouraging to see how dumbdown or sold out a person is, but I am seeing as the years have gone by a change in the understanding of my discussion.

A decade ago few understood or cared most thought me a tin foil hat wearer. I came from 22 years of a independent financial advisor career and 22 years of Dr. Paul. As I am in his district.

Now alot of people are understanding most or part of my speaches and agreeing.

very encouraging.

sovereign

Love it

"give everyone a dose and it don't matter where"...awesome. Yes, it is encouraging... I bumped into someone else at the park that same day, who actually knew all about the Fed, GMOs, Monsanto, etc., etc.... he was also building aquaponics kits that he was going to be selling to stores... so yes, very encouraging. Wow, 22 years of Dr. Paul! Thanks for giving everyone a dose!

Thank you

My wife always cringes when I start in but its my purpose in life.

sovereign

yes indeed!...

...so does my 16 yr old son...but then he pipes in and closes the deal!

God I love that kid!

THIS is how WE win hearts and minds...one at a time. And it is POWERFUL because truth is POWER.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

here's the video - 'All Wars Are Banker Wars' by Michael Rivero


http://youtu.be/p-0BPMwgKNA

It was probably the pandas.

Investing?

Investing in the power of effectively communicating vital information that is accurate and relevant in the defense of Liberty?'

How do you measure profits gained in such a bold investment strategy?

Joe

A smart, long-term investment imho

I think anything we do to spread the truth and promote freedom is highly likely to do good in the long run, as opposed to remaining silent. There's no exact way of measuring how much impact a particular message had short of setting up a scientific study, standardizing the message, controlling other variables, and measuring the short- and long-term behavior of the recipients of the message versus people who weren't exposed to the message. However, each of us was convinced of the value of freedom at some point, thanks to the right message at the right time. None of those kids or Marines responded by instantly agreeing, but I'm sure some seeds were planted, and at least some will question the morality of joining the military merely to be the enforcement arm of the power elite, and/or will be more receptive to the next pro-freedom message they hear. The fact that they stopped their gung-ho shouting and stood around talking quietly seems to indicate they were absorbing and discussing the information, which seems like a good sign. If even one of those people chooses to pursue a different career instead of the military, and one innocent life is saved as a result, it's a victory and a very valuable payoff on a minimal investment of a few minutes time and a little courage to give voice to the truth, imho.

Not mearly opinion

As you have stated, there are ways to find out how doing something positive does snow ball, as in the butterfly effect, compared to doing nothing.

The scale of the effect may be unknown, or unknowable, but the fact that there is a positive effect is easy enough to measure, as fact, in personal experiences exchanged from one to another.

I can still remember the time I read that first awakening book in High School, as a project for a class, a book report, and so I went to the library and found, for whatever reason, a book titled The Lusitania.

It was a whistle blowing type expose on the lies and the facts concerning the sinking of that ship.

Had I not read that book my life would be different, by how much I don't know, but that is one of many cases where I can say that my viewpoint is illustrated by the phrase "standing upon the shoulders of giants" or some such intention to credit those before me who have dared to speak out against the lies.

Thanks

Joe

Thank you

I almost didn't go up to them... having struck out so many times with friends, co-workers, relatives...

It makes me think a good place to spread this information would be at those meetings they have for graduates at high-schools where representatives from the armed forces, tech colleges, etc. show up to try and recruit... that would be a perfect place and time to get up there, and talk about what it actually means to join the military, or actually means to take a government job... hi-jack and divert 12 years of brain-washing and indoctrination in one fell swoop!

My view

Offered.

There is no way for Liberty to exit, or it is a powerless condition, to be without a more powerful military for Liberty, in the face of an overpowering criminal Military power.

That was proven after 1776 and The Declaration of Independence.

So, in no way am I against The Military as it was defined, voluntarily, by individual human beings who recognize the vital need to defend against which ever sized group of criminals may seek to destroy Liberty.

The British invaded, the volunteers took out, removed, the powerful aggressive military might, and they did so despite our own home grown Despots who pretended to be on our side.

Case in point:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/the-tro...

So, in context, your efforts to me work at the heart of the problem as you speak not only to the potential members of The Military but more importantly you speak to those who are already in The Military, and where else will defense of Liberty gain enough power to actually be powerful enough to defend Liberty but in our, voluntary, intelligent, moral, lawful, military?

You may want to read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Boyd-The-Fighter-Pilot-Changed/dp/0316...

You may not, but the point is that there are good people everywhere doing good things, more than there are bad people, and it has to be that way, mathematically, or there would be no more human beings.

You may want to know too, that The Constitution was actually a usurpation of Liberty, and that is very well documented as fact by many people then, since, and now.

In essence, that which the criminals can't get openly by force, they get through deceptive means.

Case in point:

"One party, whose object and wish it was to abolish and annihilate all State governments, and to bring forward one general government, over this extensive continent, of monarchical nature, under certain restrictions and limitations. Those who openly avowed this sentiment were, it is true, but few; yet it is equally true, Sir, that there was a considerable number, who did not openly avow it, who were by myself, and many others of the convention, considered as being in reality favorers of that sentiment; and, carry into effect what they well knew openly and avowedly could not be accomplished."

That is found here:

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Proceedings-Debates-Constitutio...

Washington was in on it, so was Hamilton, seen here and here:

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/whiskey/...

"And whereas, it is in my judgment necessary under the circumstances of the case to take measures for calling forth the militia in order to suppress the combinations aforesaid, and to cause the laws to be duly executed; and I have accordingly determined so to do, feeling the deepest regret for the occasion, but withal the most solemn conviction that the essential interests of the Union demand it, that the very existence of government and the fundamental principles of social order are materially involved in the issue, and that the patriotism and firmness of all good citizens are seriously called upon, as occasions may require, to aid in the effectual suppression of so fatal a spirit;"

http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-American-Revolution-Kentuck...

"But Hamilton wanted to go farther than debt assumption. He believed a funded national debt would assist in establishing public credit. By funding national debt, Hamilton envisioned the Congress setting aside a portion of tax revenues to pay each year's interest without an annual appropriation. Redemption of the principal would be left to the government's discretion. At the time Hamilton gave his Report on Public Credit, the national debt was $80 million. Though such a large figure shocked many Republicans who saw debt as a menace to be avoided, Hamilton perceived debt's benefits. "[I]n countries in which the national debt is properly funded, and the object of established confidence," explained Hamilton, "it assumes most of the purposes of money." Federal stock would be issued in exchange for state and national debt certificates, with interest on the stock running about 4.5 percent. To Republicans the debt proposals were heresy. The farmers and planters of the South, who were predominantly Republican, owed enormous sums to British creditors and thus had firsthand knowledge of the misery wrought by debt. Debt, as Hamilton himself noted, must be paid or credit is ruined. High levels of taxation, Republicans prognosticated, would be necessary just to pay the interest on the perpetual debt. Believing that this tax burden would fall on the yeoman farmers and eventually rise to European levels, Republicans opposed Hamilton's debt program.”

"To help pay the interest on the debt, Hamilton convinced the Congress to pass an excise on whiskey. In Federalist N. 12, Hamilton noted that because "[t]he genius of the people will ill brook the inquisitive and peremptory spirit of excise law," such taxes would be little used by the national government. In power, the Secretary of the Treasury soon changed his mind and the tax on the production of whiskey rankled Americans living on the frontier. Cash was scarce in the West and the Frontiersmen used whiskey as an item of barter."

So, yea, it is really hard to condense a lot of vital, accurate, information down into a sound bite.

Joe

Fascinating links

Thanks for posting... just when I knew I didn't know everything, you go ahead and confirm there were a whole bunch of things I didn't know yet... I'm going to spend some time rereading those links... amazing about Washington... fantastic post... thanks again

Thank you

If you run out of leads, I can refill the hopper.

Joe

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God bless you for trying

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Thanks!

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Did you mention...

Marine Corp General Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket"?

Funny you should mention that

I did think of that later! I could have went on all day!