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As liberty becomes more popular, why is the Daily Paul becoming more fringe?

I'd ask you all to do some self reflection about what you have been posting here. Is it factual? or just theory? Does it help promote liberty? or distract from it? I ask this because as liberty gets more and more popular,the Daily Paul gets more and more fringe?

The common citizen is finding out the danger of big government simply by looking at their paycheck, the price of their groceries, and the abundance of war propaganda. They aren't turning to our side because you came up with a theory about the Rothschilds, or 9/11. They are turning to our side because the world around them isn't working and its easy to see how government intervention in every aspect of our lives is the culprit. Meanwhile, you guys are on the side lines discussing "crisis actors" and the illuminati. You are literally missing out on the revolution we've been striving for because you are busy with your own conspiracy revolution.

Again I ask you to reflect on what you've been posting, and more importantly what good, or lack there of it has been doing for this revolution. The people are ready for the ideas of free markets and smaller governments. They don't need unsupported theories about secret societies. They need knowledge about how capitalism works. I propose we give them that knowledge.




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Please don't take this as anything but an observation.

This post including the subject contains 4 sentences. And "I" is used 8 times. Perhaps rereading Michael's post @18:16 would be of benefit.

Its an Ok site

Don't expect the freedom you have here though.
Guess it comes down to what your looking for in a site.
This site is all about Ron Paul and his ideology.
As he has always said, It's not me it's the message.

People tend to dismiss topics because they are controversial. I fall under another Ron Paul line. Trust, but verify.

I don't take anyone's word at face value, not even Ron Paul's.
The only way to find the info is to go out and look it up.

Correction -

"This is no longer explicitly a "Ron Paul" site." - Michael Nystrom

"Dedicated to restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America" - Current masthead of the Daily Paul

Confusing, I know. I wish the subject matter was a lot more focused to this task. It's taken me a while to figure out where the DP is going toward. Perhaps it's evolved into more of an "anything goes but racism" site, which is more entertainment than activism for restoring a Constitutional government.

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Ok

We all still ended up here because of Ron Paul. Anything that Ron Paul says or does it is here.

It's a Ron Paul site.

And Ron Paul has always been "Dedicated to restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America"

Wouldn't you agree

it used to be a Ron Paul site, but now it's more of a residual Ron Paul site. What small percentage of posts even mention something he was known to promote?

Maybe we could think of it as Ron Paul's afterwake. What happens after he leaves the building.

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Bring on the fringe.

Seriously, get a grip rarely have fringe topics come here unless you believe the official 911 story. As far as Iluminati stuff it is rare and I personally tune it out. I enjoy the news filtering service the DP provides. As an example, I badly wanted to see how crazy Assad was and not to my surprise he seems intelligent and calm.

This is a fake post about a fake problem.

Deep down everyone is Libertarian.
Live and Let Live, form of government.

I agree with you

Like Drudge Report. They report . I choose what to look at. I refuse to listen and watch cable news and very few talk radio shows. Maybe Like Cigar Dave I will listen too.. Look for the day that they go the wayside of the eight track tape.

I disagree

The Daily Paul is not fringe, you can come here and find the news of the day. They you get to read all kinds of different topics.Take your pick to many to name.

Rhino, The Daily Paul has gotten much better 5 years ago snakepit would have been relentlessly tracked,belittled and to never post again.

I have read through his previous post and he has taken a beating in the comments.

Still has the courage to voice his opinion, I commend him for his dedication.

Keep posting snakepit, but don't expect the rest of us to see your way. I come here because of all the sites on the inter-tubes this is the most diverse. No topic is untouchable and to be honest this site is probably not for beginners. We could get better with that and I believe we are.

Maybe it's fringe cuz I only recognize 3 names in comments

I think maybe it's from new people. I don't know hardly any of the names anymore.

Unsupported theories?

There is plenty of support for info on skull and bones, bohemian grove and the like. 911? My goodness, there is a TON of good info out there on the internet that casts doubt on the official story pushed by the MSM. What's the beef? People who don't want to know don't have to read it. Why do you want to censor? THAT is the question.

Shove It!

Take this thread and shove it up your...

My Daily Paul experience

I actually like this thread. The issue you raise is interesting and I hope my perspective can help. When I came to the DP I was just a supporter of Ron Paul, not really even a Libertarian. I could see he was different from the rest and as a former liberal I loved his foreign policy. As I stayed on the Daily Paul I kept reading all these stories about things I didn't know about like 9/11 Truth. In fact if it hadn't been for the Daily Paul I would never have even considered 9/11 Truth, I would have laughed it off. But evidence is hard to ignore when it's so overwhelming. And now I support a new investigation. I still haven't come around to the NWO or the Illuminati being a real thing, but I certainly think in a tolerant libertarian society individuals should have the right to present these ideas. So my point I guess is don't disregard an idea because the majority of people think it is wrong, approach things with an open mind and debate respectfully, I think Dr. Paul would appreciate that approach to liberty.

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This thread is fringe

BOOM!

we just all have our own opinions

based on the lies we all get fed around our immediate environment, welcome to the most free people on earth, the human equation actually uninhibited.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I have been on Daily Paul

for over six years. I haven't noticed any difference other than it is an off-election year.

In an election year there is a lot of activism and more focus on the issues that will decide elections. In off election years there is more time to debate other issues that fall outside the main stream of thought.

There have always been 911 truth and other conspiracies discussed here...nothing new. It's all good.

It is getting so weird that

It is getting so weird that people have to talk about how weird it is.

You Have it Backwards

As liberty becomes popular, the MSM becomes more fringe.

The public is canceling cable subscriptions, canceling newspaper subscriptions, ignoring primetime newscasts, and ignoring radio talk-shows because they do not trust those sources of information.

As the general public searches for real information on the internet, outlets like the Daily Paul, Infowars, and Ben Swann become the mainstream.

Now that bears repeating!

so I will!

"...As liberty becomes popular, the MSM becomes more fringe."

nicely stated!

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I agree!

Thank you for the welcome back my friend. I found myself on other sites but thinking "I wonder what they are saying at the DP about this?".

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

What starts as fringe may become mainstream

you never know what information will come out about any of what you call "fringe". At one time many things now known were once unknown, or fringe. The truth in these matters will eventually come out as more look into them. If it is truly fringe it will die away. If it is not if will become mainstream.

Look at your history. There are many examples of false flags that are now known to be so but at the time were not believe except by a few who refused to believe the BS.

You seem more interested in seeking comfort with a majority view at the expense of seeking the truth. Seeking the truth, especially with controversial topics, is painstaking. Going along with what others believe is easy, and cowardly in my view. Cowardly because you are afraid of move away from the mainstream. Cowardly because you are afraid what truth may be.

Ron Paul

Is a truth seeker but was also a politician.
We are truth seekers, but don't bow to political correctness because others can't handle reality.
Regarding your list of "fringe" conspiracies:

Sandy Hook: undoubtedly used actors (Robbie Parker)and there are many questionable elements.
9/11: was at the very least allowed to happen.
Rothschilds: are undoubtedly at the heart of worldwide corruption
Illuminati: very real
Chemtrails: I don't know enough to say?
Flouride: Harvard studies among others confirm the dangers of fluoride.

Those are the types of "fringe" conspiracies I'm talking about. I doubt the good doctor is spending a lot of time on these..... Because he and his son are politicians.

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Seems about the same

I've been coming here daily for five years and it seems about the same level of fringe as it has always been. Although it is certainly more campaigny when there is a campaign going on.

Currently consuming: Harry Browne, Free Domain Radio; JT Gatto and Holt; Wii U

Your use of the word "fringe" is insulting

to those of us who know that the lizard people of Nibiru were the ones who produced the fake lunar landing footage.

EDIT: What's up with the downvotes, people? It was a joke! I know that the reptilians are from Draco, not Nibiru. Nibiru is the "Planet X" that NASA knows about but won't admit. And the fake lunar landing footage was done by Stanley Kubrick. These are all examples of non-fringe things I wouldn't have known if it weren't for dailypaul.

Also corrected my spelling of "Nibiru." How embarrassing.

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Interesting

I turn the question back to you.

I'd ask you all to do some self reflection about what you have been posting here. Is it factual? or just theory? Does it help promote liberty?

Where is the factual basis of your assertion that the Daily Paul is becoming "more fringe"?

You talk about people posting about Sandy Hook and Fake Actors, but that was banished from here long ago. Considering that there is a huge "Rethink 911" billboard in Times Square now, I'd say that particular topic is moving beyond fringe.

So you've got a theory, and you use your theory to warn people not to post about 'theories.'

Weird.

But again, I direct your argument back at yourself.

Again I ask you to reflect on what you've been posting, and more importantly what good, or lack there of it has been doing for this revolution. The people are ready for the ideas of free markets and smaller governments. They don't need unsupported theories about secret societies. They need knowledge about how capitalism works. I propose we give them that knowledge.

And there is that word "we" again. Just who is "we?"

May I remind you that there is one person, and only one person who's actions you have control over, and that is yourself. If, as you assert, "the people" (whoever they are) are ready for the ideas of free markets and smaller governments, then stop complaining and get to preaching!

Whenever I see a post from snakepit22, I'm like, "Oh, here we go again - another big complaint about the Daily Paul."

Through the years, I have found that many people who complain about others are generally blind to their own flawed behavior that they complain about in others. I'm not the first to notice that, however. A wise man pointed that out over 2,000 years ago.

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

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Look at this thread. What have you accomplished besides putting people on the defensive by kicking a hornet's nest? Look at the brawl YOU started. And talking about a "fringe" topic no less! You've achieved exactly what you rail against!

Am I the only one who finds this ironic?

How does your naval-gazing theory contribute to what you say you want to achieve?

You are just contributing to what you say you don't like. And I bet you still can't even see it.

But that is what we're here for at the Daily Paul. Education. Education comes in many different guises. Sometimes those who need the most education are those who already think they know it all.

My advice to you is to stop complaining about others, and take positive, proactive steps to realize the world that you wish to see.

I will continue to pray for your spiritual evolution and enlightenment.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Thank you, Michael, for your

Thank you, Michael, for your love and respect and simple wisdom. In gratitude...

Peace

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

"This is no longer explicitly a "Ron Paul" site."

"This is no longer explicitly a "Ron Paul" site." - Michael Nystrom

"Dedicated to restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America" - Current masthead of the Daily Paul

I write here in defense of snakepit22, when he suggests the members of the DP may be too quick to post what the just awakening public may react to initially as fringe topics.

Michael, you have created what history may regard as one of the truly flagship liberty sites. I love you very much for what you've done for the American Republic. To provide such a great blessing is a huge responsibility, and not without personal sacrifice.

The OPs suggestion, not assertion, that the DP freely embraces the fringe is not without merit. Thanks to some posters here, I am fully entertained with stories of chemtrails, UFOs, space aliens, lasers, and racists.

What the OP suggests is not censorship, but self censorship. 

We have to ask ourselves, Why Are We Posting Here at the Daily Paul? Are we entertaining each other? Are we solving problems through crowdsourcing? Are we spreading the message of liberty? Are we working to sabotage the message of liberty?

Are we each here to spread and support liberty, or consume our little piece of it?

To spread the idea of liberty, you talk and teach about liberty and how the average Joe can recognize its importance to his daily existence.  To destroy the liberty message, mix it indiscriminately with tin foil hat topics that will divert attention. Let's make up a fictional set of one day's headlines.

Adolf Hitler Wasn't Such A Bad Guy After All
Space Aliens Took My Wife and Dog, and I Miss Him
Why Every Breath You Take Is Poison To You
Restoring Liberty
I'm Leaving For The Very Last Time, Really I Mean It This Time
Reasons I Hate This Site

Guess which ones won't be part of a new person's 7 minute tour? Looking at that list, what first impression will he get about those "liberty people"? Will he see a tin foil hat on their heads? If he was running for office, would he want his name in these pages?

Random free speech does not support liberty, it consumes it.

This is why, some months ago, I was opposed to the temporary direction the DP took to include posting videos by a famous racist. I felt it was ultimately unwise, because of the certain destruction of this community through such a deliciously divisive topic. Not to mention the stigma of hosting decidedly racist discussions. There is a proper place for those topics, but not on the flagship site bringing liberty to the masses, or "Dedicated to restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America."

Like George Washington discussing the threats of the Illuminati and Jacobinism, some things are best limited to our private letters. I am relieved to see this was worked out, and we didn't open the flood gates wide, inviting all types of attack points to the liberty movement. Think of all the valuable airtime wasted on Ron Paul's rogue newsletter writer.

If I was the corrupt establishment, I'd have trolls posting crazy and off topic material all day long on the patriot sites. Keep that tin foil hat firmly on their heads.

Sometimes the game of winning means knowing what not to discuss publicly, as image is everything when you need to win the greatest following. You could ask Ron Paul about that. If he's talking about it on TV, you can be sure he's given that plenty of thought.

If you're just here for entertainment, please ignore all the above, and let's talk more about the reptilian conspiracy to take over the universe.

I upvoted. Snakepit22 had a good point.

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I don't buy the conspiracy

I don't buy the conspiracy theories, but I'd rather read those than the nothing you just posted...Do you really think you need to save the liberty movement from itself? Do you think that's going to happen by posting condescending comments like yours? I get it...you want a sterile libertarian PR site...go to reason.com

Thank you!

Your negative attack comment reveals that I've struck exactly the right nerve!

We can't have anyone working to focus the message now, can we?

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I don't know what you think

I don't know what you think you've done, but sure, pat yourself on the back. Great work, you're irritating. I just think your convoluted comment parroting the original poster was unnecessary and kind of elitist. I'm sorry I don't agree that parameters of discussion should be set by users with obviously over-inflated egos. Trying to get a rise out of people doesn't seem any more legitimate than using the site as a soapbox for unsubstantiated conspiracy bullshit.

Strangely,

we seem to agree on that last part.

I'm not suggesting that some elitist set policy for everyone. That would stifle creativity, growth and true camaraderie. It would have to be a value everyone chose of free will, which of course might not be possible.

It depends on your reasons for being here, and how you measure a worthwhile community building project. Is it for fun, or profit, or to create a change in society? I don't think you can have all three.

When the site was focused more on Ron Paul exclusively, I think that stated purpose of restoring the Constitution and spreading the liberty message was better served. It's hard for me to abandon that major focus, and just enjoy everybody having fun.

It's been fun thinking about this. Thanks for the argument, junglepunker, it's been nice getting to know ya.

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