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“I feel badly, very badly for my friends in the Free Syrian Army today" ~ John McCain

Sen. John McCain (R-Ari.) said Wednesday that the rebels engaged in a civil war with Syrian president Bashar Assad feel “abandoned” by President Obama.

“I was very disappointed that the president did not mention the Free Syrian Army and our moral and material assistance for them, which is required,” McCain said on MSNBC’s "Morning Joe." “I think they do feel that they’re being abandoned.”

“I feel badly, very badly for my friends in the Free Syrian Army today,” he added.

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TwelveOhOne's picture

Granger is harming liberty more than fishyculture did

But I see the troll doll is still here. Oh well, people make mistakes; hopefully, they can also learn from and correct them.

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Huh?

I like Fishy Culture and saw nothing she wrote as hurting Libery...........did I miss something?

Deekey

deacon's picture

yeah,and its non stop posting

this thought runs through my mind
what do relative new comers think upon reading rants
about using drones on human beings?
but then,some here get to spend most of their day
combating the anti liberty socialist posts

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

TwelveOhOne's picture

(((deacon)))

Hope your hands are feeling better.

The "relative new comers" perspective is pretty much the only reason trolls and disinformation agents exist -- those of us who have been here a while can see through that BS.

As to spending the day combatting the socialists, I'm dramatically less verbose these days. A great part of it was fishyculture's treatment during the Boston bombing reaction. Now, to see Granger continuing to be able to spew hatred and falsities on this site, it makes me really question management's decisions. Again. But you can see from my posting/commenting history how those actions have affected my choices in sharing with this site -- I'm almost inactive, lately. I'm sad, still, but I also realize that some portion of my vitriolic reaction to those events was due to the traumatic brain injury I experienced around that time.

I'm much better today but still not healed fully. I have the idea of reviewing what I had written during that time, and apologizing if necessary. I'm still somewhat irritable though so I think I'll hold off on that until I'm back at work.

Take care -- and I didn't think that was a stupid question! :) (signature reference)

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Oh, ok.......misunderstood you on prior post, see now what you were saying, the point you were making. Think everyone liked Fishy. Agree 100% Hope you're feeling better soon!

Deekey

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Clarifying

Yes, what I meant was "fishyculture did not harm liberty at all, and she was banned. Granger is harming liberty daily, and she is, if not encouraged, at least not stopped."

Michael seemed to indicate in this thread that he has had enough of Granger -- one of his comments advocated her joining John McCain in going over there and fighting.

Hopefully he will correct his errors -- meaning, ban Granger and welcome fishyculture back. He even had physically sent fishy a post card and a book, and then blamed her for expecting "special treatment". The whole thing is weird, and is the reason I stopped contributing financially to this site. I'll still watch the train continue to wreck, or hopefully it'll re-rail. Either way there's still a lot of liberty to learn on this site, but I'm contributing a hell of a lot less, both financially, and in prose and links as you can see from my user page chart.

That said, something I read here last week resonates: "It is not that you lied to me that has shocked me; it is that I can no longer trust you." This, slightly paraphrased, applies to this situation and I'm not sure I'll ever trust management again. Not saying I won't -- just saying I'm not sure, as it's not easy to deal with rabid dogs, or dance on lava fields. Best to avoid, which I've been doing.

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Deekey

What do you mean the same conditions prevail in Palestine?

Assad is destroying Syria.. you've seen the vids.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOQe4_yym4 Four Sunni Mosques? No one in Palestine is doing what Assad is doing to Syria.

I do not see Palestine and Syria on the same level.. I believe Assad knows he sold out Syria to the NWO, and he's leveling it, and the people. I think it's made him nuts (his wife left him for her own safety).

A thought just occured to me... Maybe you do not see Palestinian Authority, the UN Agenda, and Islam as three oppressive powers crushing the Palestinians?

As I recall Michael, the DP will NOT become the Daily Rand.

I apologise if you believe that I am evangelizing Rand or any politicain. I stand with Rand, but I have no intention on going out of my way to meet him like I did for Ron, though I do wish Rand much success!

As for resigning from the GOP.. my term will be up next year. I've got meetings through Oct., and these meetings will affect the CA GOP, my committee, and campaign finance laws, and I'll decide what I want to do then.

I prepared a constitutional based by-laws for my committee to go forward, that would help Rand on the committee, no matter who was seated.. but I am also prepared to disolve the committee.. and I think about this, way more than I think about Rand running for president. I would never speak for Rand, Michael, he does a fantastic job speaking for himself. I wish I was as smart as Rand.

Have you seen what your Free Syrian Army is doing?

Hey Granger, I'm not sure if you claim to be a Christian or not (I would have guessed you were a rabid Zionist kook right out of John Hagee's judaizing looney bin), but those poor Syrian freedom fighters have burned at least 4 if not more Eastern Orthodox Churches, so good on Assad for evening the score. Screw the Sunni mosques, those are the same people that produced the Wahhabi Schools that continue to churn out suicide bombers that have been reeking havoc not only in Israel but also in Western Europe.

I don't which side you think you're on here Granger, but it sure as hell is not that of Western Civilization, or Eastern Civilization given the so-called crop of "freedom fighters" that you are so infatuated with.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

It is my understanding

There are the original protesters who became rebels when Assad began shooting protesters all over Syria.. the Syrian Army that refused to shoot at civilain protesters were arrested, and some defected and that's what created the Free Syrian Army.. meanwhile, Assad had no restriction on the borders during the conflict, and that allowed Jihadists, who don't want any secular government, just Islam.

MSM has made things very messy with poor reporting that makes people think there is one group of Syrian Rebels.

The protesters want Western civilization, computers, science.. the jihadists are not interested in doing anything but delivering Syria to Islam. There is a big difference.

BTW, I am a rabid zionist kook, and I like John Hagee, but my perspective on Israel has nothing to do with religion, rather, it has everything to do with Israel's innovative based economic plan.

You say tomato, I say terrorist.

There are a good number of differing factions in this ongoing conflict Granger, and all of them are pushing for a greater degree of Islamic Shariah Law in Syria. But assuming that the so-called Free Syrian Army is a bunch of pro-Western hippies, history teaches that when multiple factions are in a civil war, the most ruthless one ends up winning (for example, the October Revolution), so at this juncture siding with Assad would be sensible and practical in preserving both order and life.

I've noticed that you didn't pay any mind to my remark about Orthodox Churches burning and priests being murdered, probably because you're too busy marveling at your tin idol situated West of Jordan to care about confessing Christians whose lives are in peril. It doesn't surprise me that you like Hagee, heretics tend to flock together. There is nothing to guarantee that the Free Syrian Army can provide protection for anyone caught up in this conflict at present, but given that you've taken the route of the Judaizer, your allegiance probably doesn't involve protecting life unless it is for the interests of AIPAC and the like.

P.S. - Christ's Church is Israel, not a bunch of corrupt, godless, atheistic politicians presiding over a country claiming that name. Then again, your call for war in the name of computers and science sounds like the sort of crap that Christopher Hitchens and the New Atheists would say Amen to, so at least you're consistent on that front.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Cause the Palestinians are a

Cause the Palestinians are a roadblock for Zionism dont ya know

LOL at word salad

!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

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LittleWing's picture

Perfect description, lol!

I was thinking it is like Miss Teen S.C. channeling Dick Morris,Josef Goebbels, Lindsey Graham and Pastor Hagee! Just toss and serve! lol!

Wurd Saled

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When I saw Michael's description, my brain flashed through

more memorable posts by Granger and I got mental pictures of Caesar, Taco, Tossed, Bean, Chef, Egg, Fruit, ... that were perfect representations

ConstitutionHugger's picture

Then you and McCain should grab your rifles

and head over there. That's how people used to show they stood for something.

We've got better weapons than rifles

we've got drones. How hard would it be to remove Assad with a targetted drone?

I don't think we should do anything unless Israel is attacked and asks for help. Israel asks for help, then Israel can request exactly what it needs and that's what we should do.. because Israel knows how to protect Isrel and they don't need the US MIC making excuses to play with the new war toys, to get them certified, to enable sales..

I also think saber rattling is good, and that the US should stand in the UN and globally to say they will not stand for chemical weapons.. If Assad can get away with it, whose to stop the UN passing a resolution for global leaders to gas 80% of it's population to preserve and protect the Earth?

deacon's picture

Why should we help israel

if they asked?
is an attack on that country an eminent threat
to the US?
is that country really a state of the union?
If it is like you say,they do not need our help,then why would they ask
for our help?
your efforts to help israel at all costs,is unconstitutional,so what you
are proposing goes against our own laws

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

If they ask?

Because if what they have.. Israel has advanced science and technology, pools of genius advancing humanity unlike anywhere else in the world.. as a beacon of light, least we all go back to the stone age.

deacon's picture

does not matter

who they are or what they can offer
it still goes against the const
How can you state you helped write some by-laws for the RNC
and believe we should help another country just because they ask
for help?
should i take it this way then,all 3rd world countries deserve to be bombed or droned
into oblivion,as they have nothing to offer? or they deserve no help from us
because they have nothing to offer?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It has been going against the constitution for a hundred years..

My re-wrote the by-laws with the constitution as part of the mission statement in hopes to get it applied. While I handed my re-wrote and two pages of suggestions, it's not until I get he new GOP by-Laws.. and I have no idea what they are at this point, but I do know the GOP is going through a big overhaul.. and I don't know how constitutional it is, matter of fact, I'm pretty sure it's not constitutional at all.. But that's my concern and I won't know until the convention.

Right now, we have a lot of military stationed in the ME, so until we remove all troops from all bases globally, we are going to be involved, and if that means saber ratteling to deliver the message chemical weapons are not ok.. I'm ok with that.

If Israel asked for our help, as Syria asked Russia.. at this point, where we are, I'm ok with that.

I don't believe retracting the military is going to be easy, but we are not going to have a choice soon enough anyways.. budget cuts have hit the military and our fleets are not what they once were, while others like China builds.

America is there for third world countries more than anyone else.

ConstitutionHugger's picture

You kill innocent people with drones

It's not effective. It's counter-productive and it's immoral.

unfortunately, that can happen

I find it immporal that a nations leader decides he has the power to make 5 million of his people refugess and kill a million and everyone says.. oh well, it's his country and if he wants to kill everyone that's his business.. because that encourages outher leaders who are sick of their hungry and poor masses to think, "What the hell.. Assad can depopulate why can't I?"

Why couldn't they?

We've got chemical weapons and we've been using them

Don't ya think we should fix the problems at home before we go telling others how to live? If we set a Good example just maybe others will follow our lead

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Wish you had 20+ votes up for this , rather than 6....

You just made the two best points of the thread:

1) We should fix the problems at home, before telling others how to live.

2)If we set an example of honoring freedom and natural rights, just maybe others will follow out lead.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

They don't care about fixing things at home.

Pink rabbits don't care about U.S. internal politics. They're going for global dominance and are behind schedule, maybe even losing losing power. They don't have their new world order. They have a multi-racial, multi-cultural country that is coming apart at the seams. All of the streets are falling to pieces. The economic system is hanging by threads. But, they don't really care about that. They're going for a new world order. You can kiss internal politics good-bye until something is done about the rabbits playing the full-spectrum dominance games.

It's good to know

Obama isn't preparing to gas the US population.

Why do we have to do anything at all?

Just because Obama, McCain and Graham say so? Just curious of why we have to engage at all?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Because we are a UN super power

The US is right to stand up and say, NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS.. so the rattle sabers.. not one bomb has been shot by the US and Assad had agreed to give up his chemical weapons to Russia.. so to me, they've been handling this correctly.. It appears the chemical weapon episode is now ended.. civil war will resume.

I take your side often

but once again I find myself voting you down, this time it is because:

I. The UN is just about the most illegitimate organization on the face of the earth, and we are only a superpower in the UN due to the facts:

A. It was the brain-child of an American president, who had hopes for a one-world government.

B. We pay a huge price for its location, they get the space 'rent free'
on top of that we are required to pay them 'dues' to undermine our sovereignty.

II. (This may draw some downvotes) They often side against us and our allies. Whether that is right or wrong, it still happens.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15