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Explaining to a 10 Year Old the Prison a Mind Can Not See

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what you have

and hold dear to,is an illusion
your own life is an illusion
but you cannot see,as you are blind
Your set of beliefs were crated by others
and they are all based on lies,usury,fraud
racketeering,you name it,this is what your beliefs are.
You built your house on sand,and it is getting ready to shift
You base your whole life on others being above you,but not beside you
You carry the frauds as truth,and this has blinded you to facts.AND
this causes you to act like a 15 yr old girl,oh well,maybe one day
your blinders shall be removed,and once again you will see and know truth
have a nice day my rubbery friend

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I have posted excerpts from

several style manuals and I posted excerpts in your thread even.

http://www.dailypaul.com/302074/g-edward-griffin-sez-the-str...

"9.8. Except as otherwise designated, points and spaces are omitted after initials used as shortened names of governmental agencies ... "

Go read them again. I do not focus on the actual spelling because spelling is insignificant when what counts is surrendering part of a bundle of rights when something is registered in a state which is a member of the United States and placed under its protection.

However if you actually read the excerpts I have already posted the Uniform System of Citation pretty much states follow the exact spelling on a source document and refer to the US Government Style Manual for additional clarification.

The US Government Style Manual states examples can not be provided for everything but if one applies all the rules and examples herein the proper styling can be derived.

Where this would actually manifest with real world evidence is a United States certificate of birth is the source document for all government identification. If agencies are following their own authorities for spelling and grammar one would expect to see the designated name on a driver license spelled using the same styling as it appears on the source document (ie. certificate of birth).

since when

would a US government style manual require a local hospital to follow it when filling out a b(e)irth certificate?

Ah, nevermind, I'm thinking the boat pics would be more entertaining. How about drawing us a nice catamaran this time?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Notice how it has been repeated many times already

the actual spelling doesn't matter because the substance lies elsewhere but propaganda trolls want to only focus on irrelevant spelling.

So, I;m like confuzzled here

First you say that there is this government style manual and that following its form has some kind of meaning beyond just being the way that the government wants government workers to format certain government documents.

And now you're saying that form doesn't matter but only the substance.

Well, okay, sure, unless of course you do crappy work and your boss and the TSA fires you for misspelling groap.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

It is plainly obvious

spelling is form not substance.

It is plainly obvious what constitutes a name according to legal dictionaries is form not substance:

Whereas:
1. “First Middle” is an example of a “Christian name” but not the name of a “person”.
2. “Last” is an example of a surname but not the name of a “person”.
3. “First Middle, son of First Middle” is an example of a “true name” but not the name of a “person”.
4. “First Middle Last” is an example of a full name and meets the criteria of what constitutes the name of a “person” but there is no addition [e.g. designation].

http://www.dailypaul.com/302074/g-edward-griffin-sez-the-str...

Forms, such as spelling or names, do not alter a bundle of rights in and of themselves.

There is a radical difference between government not following its on rules on form versus not providing a full and honest disclosure of the substance of attaching a flag to any person or property and placing it under the protection of a state which is a member of the United States.

The substance is surrendering, in whole or part, any bundle of rights for ownership to a state or the United States for placing persons or property under the protection of a state which is a member of the United States.

true but not as an absolute

bad spelling and grammar are in fact quite common in many cons and frauds. And especially in the cons and frauds involving sovereign citizens. There is also a tendency of people who are trying to pull a fast one to hide behind language which is hard to decipher (e.g., your gibberish posts) in order to avoid being called out. And it would be just like a sovereign citizen, one who believes in magic words, to try to say that form and grammar have no meaning despite the two positions being entirely inconsistent.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

LoL

I do not believe in magical words. As soon as someone inquires what facts are being relied upon to trespass that is when people like you freak the hell out and start searching for some magic pixie dust to sprinkle on words.

if you say so

but I sure do recall you getting all fussy about your speshul definishuns n stuff

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

What What?

Getting fussy is not asking for the grammar or context of an expression and its terms be defined ... getting fussy is not being able to provide the grammar or context of an expression or define the terms it comprises.

An example of getting fussy when asked to provide grammar or context of an expression and its terms be defined is going blah, blah, blah, gibbersh, gibberish, gibberish ... what do you mean define my terms or explain the grammar of my expressions and then trying to divert on a tangent.

get a job

and stop scamming people

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Get some integrity

and stop lying.

you guys are masters of unintentional irony

You post about a known, long running scam as if it isn't, yet you accuse others of lying.

You know nothing of my background, but accuse me of everything possible, then complain about others posting ad hominem attacks.

Just shut up. You're not worth my time.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You can

get some integrity and stop lying at anytime:

"You post about a known, long running scam as if it isn't"

No, I post about a known, long running scam that exists. It is called placing persons or property under the protection of a state which is a member of the United States. It is about surrendering part of ones absolute inherent rights in nature to possess or use to a state which is a member of the United States without a full and honest disclosure. It is a known, long running scam to provide ownership, possession, or use privileges to anyone using or self identifying with a name designated by the flag of a state which is a member of the United States.

You did get the known, long running scam part right because attaching flags to persons or property is a racket that has been going on for centuries.

Despite that the United Nations, which the United States is a member of and treaty signer, seeks to prevent statelessness by insuring everyone uses a name designated by a flag so there are no individuals operating outside of legal bonds with any nation you claim this known, long running scam doesn't exist in your own ignorance or you are shilling for aristocracy.

What does your background have to do with any truth? Nothing. It is irrelevant. I could care less about your background, it is not important, nor are your meaningless posts.

Finally we come to this gem:

"but accuse me of everything possible, then complain about others posting ad hominem attacks"

It gets too funny. You are a walking ad hominem. It is self evident by your posting history. You make no contribution of substance at all, just absurd comments. If you can't take it ... don't dish it.

tell you what genius

draw me a boat picture so i can perhaps comprehend your top secret jurisdictional theories that don't exist.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Then you need to change the picture

so that the name on the right is in mixed case like the name on the left, otherwise it's misleading. As hard as it may be to believe this, there are a lot of morons out there who *do* think that the use of upper case is significant! And you don't want to be associated with that kind of mush-brained thinking I'm sure.

I have already stated why I use the all capital letter spelling

however I think the suggestion to update the picture is a good one.

The right side should be:

[flag]
FIRST M LAST

[flag]
First M Last

That way there is no confusion spelling has any relevance to the topic.

Yes but both need to be mixed case

"First M Last" on both right and left. The issue isn't the spelling, it's the all caps.

I'm telling you, there are morons out there who think that capitalization matters. I'm assuming you don't want to be associated with that kind of idiocy, but if you do the right-hand name in all caps and the left one not, I guarantee that there will be people who think you're into the all caps stuff. Best to make both sides mixed-case for clarity.

I agree the original spelling of a name

could be in all capital letters. What counts is the designation (ie. flag) which is an addition to a name.

For someone who thinks that capitalization doesn't matter

you seem to be stuck on it. What do you mean "the original spelling of a name could be in all capital letters"? Spelling and capitalization are not the same thing. If someone names their kid "Bob" then whether they write it "Bob" or "BOB" or "bOb" or whatever doesn't change the spelling of the name, 'b' 'o' 'b', any more than writing it out in the Comic Sans font instead of Courier would change the spelling.

What you seem to be resisting, in spite of saying it doesn't matter, is using mixed case for the name on the right. It matters because there are whackadoodles out there who think that the capitalization of that name on the right *does* matter. You don't want to be mistaken for one of them.

RE: Capitalization Doesn't Matter

"If someone names their kid "Bob" then whether they write it "Bob" or "BOB" or "bOb" or whatever doesn't change the spelling of the name, 'b' 'o' 'b'"

'b' 'o' 'b' does not follow. The symbol 'B' is not equal to the symbol 'b'. The symbol 'B' is not the same symbol as the symbol 'b'.

For someone who discounts letter case you seem to be stuck on the fact that the reason a 'B' is distinguished from a 'b' in style manuals for the English language has to do with the context a term is used.

"Languages have capitalisation rules to determine whether upper case or lower case letters are to be used in a given context"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_case

For someone who discounts letter case and context you seem to be stuck on the fact that when a term becomes part of an expression such as first middle last, First Middle Last, FIRST MIDDLE LAST, fIrSt mIdDlE lAsT, fIRSt mIDDLe lASt, FIRST middle last, first MIDDLE last, first middle LAST, or any other combination ...

if an author provides no definition or context one can only rely upon rules of grammar, case, or capitalization for the English language to determine the context of an expression based on its use.

When I say capitalization doesn't matter what I mean is that capitalization and names are forms which do not alter in and of themselves any bundle of rights surrendered to a state which is a member of the United States by placing persons or property under its protection.

That doesn't mean forms are without any use to determine context because if forms were entirely useless determining context the Government, or any other entity for that matter, would not even bother to print a style manual for the English language.

You should be more careful

When you say things like: That doesn't mean forms are without any use to determine context because if forms were entirely useless determining context the Government, or any other entity for that matter, would not even bother to print a style manual for the English language.
some of the loonier types out there might think you're arguing for something you've said you aren't arguing for. I'm talking about the ones who think that a name in all-caps signifies something in their whacky pseudo-legal theories. I know you've said that the capitalization doesn't matter, I'm just pointing out that you *really* don't want to get yourself associated with the super-gullible fringe elements who buy into those things, and sometimes what you write could be taken the wrong way.

BTW I think you're grasping at straws with the thing about style manuals. Style manuals are about style not substance. Writing a name in mixed-case or all caps is like writing it in Helvetica or Times New Roman or Courier. It only changes the style, not the substance.

My birth certificate happens to have my name in mixed case, but others are in all upper case, and that doesn't mean anything it's just a stylistic difference. Mine is in monospaced font, others are in proportional fonts. That's equally insignificant when it comes to the substance. Consistent style makes it easier for people and computers to deal with documents. Things also just look nicer, stylistically, when they are consistent. But you can't infer anything meaningful from whether a name is in mixed-case or all-upper-case. There's no context you can get out of that. If someone fails to follow the style manual accurately, the style may be inconsistent with other documents but it doesn't change the substance.

he probably stole that picture from one such moron

and failed to pick up on that.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I think he's spaced out

and therefore resides in spaceship

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Dodging the argument already I see

If a ship is a means of transport, and a name is used to identify someone, then how is it not the case that registering a ship is like putting a flag on your first name and a cat title on your last name? You can't refute that.

Well you have a compelling point

and I have to say that, according to several authoritative sources (all of whom have their very own youtube channels and presumably possess - or at least have access to - at least one whiteboard and a Sharpie) -

I think that it means that just like one can take a flag off a ship, and call one's self a pirate, that one can remove the flag from your name, by willful and wanton use of both upper and lower case letters.

I'm still not sure where the cat comes in. Probably some kind of illuminati symbolism, and we just haven't decoded it yet.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

If a ship is a thing

and a name is a thing ... are they both things even if they have different uses?

See, here's the thing

A name certainly isn't a physical thing, like a boat. "Name" and "ship" are both nouns, does that help?

Is a corporation which are also

a person a physical thing?

Is the difference between the meaning of person and property a distinction between something that is a physical thing and something that isn't?

But we are still talking about types of things aren't we?

Corporations aren't people

And the supreme court saying it's so doesn't make it so.

A ship is a physical object. A name is not. But "name" and "ship" are both nouns so they do have that in common, why not start there?