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Thread Summary: Recall Senator John McCain

Let it start.

The DailyPaul is due something like this.

Let it begin right here.

How about it Arizona... the timing couldn't be more PERFECT! He's just been publicly rebuked by his own party.
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SUMMARY OF FINDINGS 09/16/2013
► What I need are some PMs from Phoenix/Tucson/Flagstaff Paulers... contacts please.
Cheers,
G.

LET IT BEGINNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This thread was birthed Thursday... not quite 4 days ago!
A LOT has been learned by DIGGING, Phone calling and emailing.
Much THANKS to DP moderators for keeping it front paged pinned.

The Short Answer is YES.. John McCain CAN be recalled.

What We Know (now):

1. In the HISTORY of the United States it's never been done...
recalling a Federal Senator or Congressperson by the People of the State who elected them to office.

2. The ONLY U.S. Constitutional provision is for the Congress itself (or their own party)
to remove them with a 2/3 vote... an impeachment process.

3. RobHino surfaced up 2 excellent links that cover it in depth.
Great Reading and includes case histories and court opinions.
Senate.gov (click Recall of Legislative and Removal of Members of Congress)
Heritage.org - Can U.S. Senators Be Recalled?

4. Would a Recall fall under a 10th Amendment 'reserved power' to the States?
Not in the opinion of the Courts (see above links).

5. Is recall specifically PROHIBITED by the U.S. Constitution?
No, it is silent. Rather, the process for removal is outlined in the U.S. Constitution and the Courts have historically interpreted this to be the vehicle.
(see links above)

Voluntary Contract / Contract Law

6. Each State has variations of Basic Contract Law
Real Estate 'Contracts' for example vary from State to State...
but all have the essential elements for establishing a valid enforceable contract.

7. The People of Arizona through their State Government has established by Statutory Law a VOLUNTARY CONTRACT (not 'required') by which each candidate, both Federal and State Candidates, may sign (or not sign,) that DECLARES to the People of Arizona whether (or not) they will abide by and comply with the decision of a RECALL ELECTION and resign their office. This happens BEFORE the primaries, the contracts are FILED with the Secretary of State, and remain in effect for the length of their term of office.

HERE ARE THE LINKS:
Arizona Law: title 19 statues (all)
Arizona Statute 19: 221 Statement(s)
Arizona Statute 19: 222 Pledge
Sample Pledge document
McCain Pledged in 2010 Election (filing)
McCain Pledged (also) in 2004 (news release)

8. Can a person 'give up' their Constitutional 'Rights' or 'Protections' Voluntarily?
Yes. It happens every day. Consider the 'rights' given up by enlisted soldiers.

One of the ESSENTIAL keys, recognized by the courts, is that it be VOLUNTARY.. without fraud or coercement.

9. Can John McCain be recalled from office by the People of Arizona?
Yes. He most certainly can if a recall election is held after the required number of signatures are filed with the State petitioning that a recall election be held.

10. In Conclusion... to this point in the efforts of this thread, concerning an Arizona Recall Election of John McCain...
(Note: there were 1,702,326 votes cast in the 2010 Arizona Senate Race.)

there is only 1 critical threshold:

(1.) The Filing of (approx) 425,582 valid Arizona voter signatures (which is equal to 25% of the number of votes cast in the Senate race of 2010.) HERE and HERE

What Happens when that is achieved?

A recall election is automatic and his name is placed on the recall election ballot (along with a self composed 200 word 'explanation' of WHY it's unfair... his excuses... can't wait to see THAT. :)

Below his name will be a list of qualified nominees to FINISH HIS TERM.

What makes a NOMINEE eligible? 2% of Total Voters for the Office or (approx.) 34,047 signatures on a nominee petition. HERE

So that's it folks.
ALL that separates us from making this a reality....
is 425,582 disgruntled signatures.

►RobHino has secured a website for a Recall effort (thanks Rob!)
www.FireJohnMcCain.com
and has put up a 'hold' page pending developers collaborating.

►An existing Committee (or one created) must initiate the recall
with the Secretary of State. HERE is the handbook. (thanks Mark Vette!)

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Bump for Arizona Patriots

Who may not have seen this yet.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

First Crime; Treason. Aiding a declared enemy of the USA

Senator McCain is the leading elected representative who openly indorses arming and supporting the Free Syrian Army, and all of its forces in order to overthrow the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

In an interview with Anderson Cooper on May 29, 2013 this portion of the conversation transpired:

COOPER: In terms of arming the rebels, though, as you know, one of the concerns, certainly, that the administration has, is that weapons will fall into the hands of terrorists or extremists who are there now. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers told Wolf Blitzer on Tuesday that, he said every flavor of terrorist is operating in Syria right now. You know there's the al-Nusra Front, one of the most well-known, probably well-equipped groups, is actually aligned with al Qaeda in Iraq. So how do you prevent weapons from falling into their hands?

MCCAIN: Well, by identifying those people who are on our side. General Andress (ph) has a very sizeable force. He has battalion commanders that he's in communications with.

Is it a perfect organization? Of course not, because they're fighting as an insurgency. No insurgencies are perfect.

There is a point that Congressman Rogers has, and that is every single day, more and more extremists flow in. Whether it be from Iraq, whether it be from Yemen, whether it be from Libya, they're flowing in all the time. These extremists. But they still do not make up a sizeable portion. For example, there's about 7,000 al- Nusra. There's about a hundred thousand who are fighting as we speak in Syria. So we can identify who these people are. We can help the right people."

[ Referenced from CNN transcripts here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1305/29/acd.02.html ]

Attention should be on McCain's admission, "These extremists. But they still do not make up a sizeable portion. For example, there's about 7,000 al- Nusra."

A BBC report dated April 10, 2013 states,

"The leader of the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist group fighting in Syria, has pledged allegiance to the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri."
"Al-Nusra has been designated as a terrorist organisation by the US."

[ Referenced from BBC News here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22095099 ]

Therefore, the Senator himself offers the irrefutable evidence of the charge of treason when he advocates and is calling for the arming of a group on the known terrorist list. A group who is now allied with Al-Qaeda, the terrorist outfit the US Government has taken our rights away to protect us from.

I rest my case.

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

I Also Pledge

I Also Pledge $100 Just As Soon As We Make This Thing Official, And May It Put All The Rest Of Em In Washington On Official Notice, That We The People Are Fed Up, And We Are Standing Together To Do Something About It!!!

I Believe There Are Many Many More Folks Out There Who Will Pitch In If They Truly Felt Like They Could Make A Difference, Cause It Gets Very Frustrating Watching These Politicians Just Doing What They Damned Well Please, And Thumbing There Nose At The Rest Of Us! That's Probably The Biggest Response I Get When Sharing My Libertarian Values With People, Most I Talk To Agree, But Feel As If Nobody In Washington Gives A Damn What They Think Anyway, So It Doesn't Make A Difference How They Feel!!! (Besides those who know nothing about nothing.....And that's a lot!)

We Got A Real Shot Here Of Giving Hope To The American People! And If We Fail, It May Be Just The Thing That Pushes America To Stand Up And Grind Their Fist In The Air Shouting!!!!

LET'S DO THIS THING, I'M PUMPED!!!!!!!!!! AND MISS LINDSEY IS NEXT!!!!!

Your Comment on McCain's Crimes! Contribute Here!

As our fellow contributor and patriot "Atruepatriot" has suggested below, we are asking all to simply add your comment here describing actions taken by McCain or votes cast in the US Senate by McCain which are:

Contrary to a majority of his constituents position.

Or
Contrary to His Oath of Office.

Or,
Contrary to the Law of the Land; The Constitution (Either US OR Arizona's)

Or,
Would be deemed a legitimate War Crime in the Hague (World Court)

Or,
Any other bloody thing you can categorize and comment on.

I think that about covers it.

As an addendum, please include any links, as many as possible, showing these things have occurred. We can only use provable and sourced information in order to legitimize this recall.

Thank you all and

LET'S McRECALL McCAIN!!

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

Working on grievances against McCain

If anyone would like to contribute any factual and provable grievances against McCain's actions please feel free to help out! We can use all we can get to expand the list. Thank you!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Maybe we should post the list?

Either right here in the comment section or in a new posting.
Sort of a running diary of his diarrhea.
I think it would spark the fires of memory to all his past transgressions and ill-conceived votes against his constituent's wishes.
Doesn't matter if McConman McCain or his minions see it. Nothing he can do to change what's in the public record i.e. Senate vote and the press.

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

Actually Mark?

I think it would best to keep them all here on one thread where we can catalog them easier.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Agreed

Yes, that's a plan.
When the grievances start posting here in the comment section I'll create a new comment with the heading "List of McCain's Crimes" to copy and paste all of them in one list, in one place. Easy enough to do with the edit feature here.
In fact, I'll post a new comment asking for them right now!

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

Thanks!

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If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Right On Brother

We're in motion with this notion!

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

I agree Mark

I contacted G this morning asking to update his OP with links and Etc. I guess he took the day off. Lol

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Yes... but I'm BACK!! :)

You stole my thoughts.. I am working on a SUMMARY now..
will be up and posted with a link in the OP.. stay tuned
and
THANK YOU for carrying this torch with me
I'm overwhelmed (as always) by the DP.
There's nothing like it on the WORLD WIDE WEB!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL Naw ...

Naw, we didn't steal your thoughts ... we share them.
Like brothers in arms we think alike.
Just ... don't start finishing my sentences 'cause that's gonna like, freak me out. lol

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

Give McCain the "bombs" he's been begging for!!!

From reading the comments of goldenequity, ATruepatriot, and Mark Vette this sounds like a real possibility. I understand the pessimism from johnjen, but we have to remember what true grassroots support has accomplished before. Ron Paul raised $6,000,000 from 58,000 donors in 1 day (~$100 per person).

If you guys set up a Give McCain the "bombs" he's been begging for money-bomb I'll donate the first $100!

Will this money-bomb raise $6,000,000? No, but there's a whole lot of people out there that are tired of McCain beating his war drums that would probably give a few bucks to get his @ss out of office! And if you recall, it was the money-bomb media coverage that catapulted Ron Paul into the public's eye like nothing else could have...the same could be done with McCain's recall.

I'm serious. I spent thousands supporting Ron Paul and going to Tampa, another $100 for this cause is well worth it. In fact, if you use the Give McCain the "bombs" he's been begging for money-bomb name above I'll make it $200 (I mean, how cool would it be to say you came up with the money-bomb name that got McCain kicked out of office?)

Who else is with me on this?

Perhaps also say, "Money-bomb

Perhaps also say, "Money-bomb him out of office"

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Bomb-Bomb----Bomb-Bomb-Ba-Bomb

It fits very well doesn't it? :) Only costs about 20 to 30 million per drone.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

WOW!

I'm not usually ... an emotional kinda guy. But, your post has truly stirred them in me, Seeking Liberty.
From the bottom of my heart I thank you, and if I may speak for the rest, we all thank you for your pledge of support!
I think you post alone may be the start of a ground swell to inspire others who don't live in AZ, but feel the same as we do in ousting the McCancer that is eating our liberties away from us.

Thank You! And, God Bless You and Yours!

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

I appreciate your comments

That was exactly what I was going for. All of us need to realize that we're on the same team and we are growing in size day by day with each new NSA scandal that's leaked and with each new attempt to coerce the public into war profiteering. It's finally getting to the point where the general public is with us on a lot of the issues.

If it's signatures that are needed I'm sure there are more than enough people willing to sign in Arizona...it's just a matter of getting enough people to work together and devoting enough time and effort until the job is done. I may be in Texas and unable to get my "boots on the ground" in Arizona, but if you guys can pull the supporters together then me and a lot of other people on the Daily Paul are willing to fund this thing until its finished!

Just think of it as like walking your precinct, except on a much larger scale with a lot more coordination. Like my mother used to always say: How do you eat an elephant?...

If the only thing keeping

If the only thing keeping McCain from the unemployment line is $100, where do I sign up?

I Pledge $100 to Oust McCain from a Californian!

( :

A.Hansen

Jumping though the hoops now

As soon as we get the petition on file and official the games will begin! The OP is working with the Legislative Districts now, They already have a lot in place in their decision to rebuke him. Thank you!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

What will a "rebuke" get us?

What will a "rebuke" get us? A slap on the back and a cup of coffee? McCain is the political equivalent of Appendicitis (a burst appendix). He must be removed immediately or America (the patient) will die!

There are steps man

First step, "The Country hates his ass"

Second step, His state and party has to "rebuke" his ass to get the attention of all the other GOP lawmakers in Az. Including Gov Brewer.

Then it is our turn with a BIPARTISAN recall during a midterm election.

See the pattern of very possible success?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Very well said!

Thank you for the support! I can see no problems with it getting instant National coverage just as soon as it is official. The whole country is tired of this guy!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

get rid of that

War-hungry senile sorry-excuse-for-a-senator chump.

Jury Nullification is a power of the last resort against tyranny.

Hear, Hear!!!

BRAVO!

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Encouraging bump.

Encouraging bump.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Shhhhhh...eyes and ears are

Shhhhhh...eyes and ears are among us my friends.

As soon as AZ can set an example...the rest shall follow.

Hate to be Johnny Raincloud here .. but .....

I hate to be Johnny Raincloud here, but this is an ill-conceived idea which will eventually fail and waste the time of hundreds of volunteers. Why? Because I live in Arizona here and we just witnessed HUNDREDS of volunteers facing hostile (ignorant) crowds at baseball games, concerts, libraries, you NAME it to get enough signatures to put our esteemed Governor's Medicaid Expansion on the ballot for 2014 (so that the people can hopefully repeal with our turn-coat b*stard legislature did to fulfill her wishes). She tried to sabotage the effort at every twist and turn. McStain got over 926,000 votes in 2010. As shown below by somebody who already looked up the laws, etc. that makes it that we'd need approximately 250,000 signatures. We "only" needed 80,000 to get this medicaid expansion thing on the ballot and people worked their BUTTS off trying to get it done. Our b*tch governor with her resources tried to derail this effort at every turn. With John McTraitor's virtually unlimited corporate resources getting 250,000 signatures would be highly, highly doubtful. The unfortunate thing that DP'ers need to understand is that even though "we" are awake and want to right the wrongs in the hell-hole system we have to live under, the VAST majority of the rest of society just doesn't care. They don't. Even people you bump into that HATE John McCain (and believe me, it is a lot) won't be bothered to lift a finger to help the effort...my hat's off to anybody that wants to start this project, but word of warning--be prepared to be attacked by all of McCain's forces to derail you and also you'd better get some funding from somewhere..... "grassroots" projects of this scale just won't happen in this day and age. Again, sorry to wizz all over the rose garden here, but, hey, it is what it is........

So .....

So ... Does this mean you won't sign our petition? (`$`)
Just kidding, John. We both know you'd be at the head of the line. My use of levity is the way I deal with adversity. By what you've given us of your experience, and knowing McCancer, we're in for plenty of it.
I'm gonna need some better jokes, huh.

I'd like to thank you as well. Your dire warning of the hardship ahead of us will not go unheeded, I assure you. Now I'm curious, though.
I wonder, if it isn't too much trouble, may I ask you to relate some of the tactics Brewer used to thwart your movement?
I'm new to this political action committee stuff. But, not new at dealing with adversaries. That's why I ask. It's that Sun Tzu "know your enemy like you know yourself" thing. If we can get an idea of their methods and maneuvers it might help us to prepare counter moves and avoidance ... or at the very least prevent us from getting blindsided. Hate that when I don't see it coming. Having a clue as to where we should be looking would certainly be very helpful, Bro.
Again, thanks for relating your experience and advice. Much appreciated.

Mark

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan