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Thread Summary: Recall Senator John McCain

Let it start.

The DailyPaul is due something like this.

Let it begin right here.

How about it Arizona... the timing couldn't be more PERFECT! He's just been publicly rebuked by his own party.
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SUMMARY OF FINDINGS 09/16/2013
► What I need are some PMs from Phoenix/Tucson/Flagstaff Paulers... contacts please.
Cheers,
G.

LET IT BEGINNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This thread was birthed Thursday... not quite 4 days ago!
A LOT has been learned by DIGGING, Phone calling and emailing.
Much THANKS to DP moderators for keeping it front paged pinned.

The Short Answer is YES.. John McCain CAN be recalled.

What We Know (now):

1. In the HISTORY of the United States it's never been done...
recalling a Federal Senator or Congressperson by the People of the State who elected them to office.

2. The ONLY U.S. Constitutional provision is for the Congress itself (or their own party)
to remove them with a 2/3 vote... an impeachment process.

3. RobHino surfaced up 2 excellent links that cover it in depth.
Great Reading and includes case histories and court opinions.
Senate.gov (click Recall of Legislative and Removal of Members of Congress)
Heritage.org - Can U.S. Senators Be Recalled?

4. Would a Recall fall under a 10th Amendment 'reserved power' to the States?
Not in the opinion of the Courts (see above links).

5. Is recall specifically PROHIBITED by the U.S. Constitution?
No, it is silent. Rather, the process for removal is outlined in the U.S. Constitution and the Courts have historically interpreted this to be the vehicle.
(see links above)

Voluntary Contract / Contract Law

6. Each State has variations of Basic Contract Law
Real Estate 'Contracts' for example vary from State to State...
but all have the essential elements for establishing a valid enforceable contract.

7. The People of Arizona through their State Government has established by Statutory Law a VOLUNTARY CONTRACT (not 'required') by which each candidate, both Federal and State Candidates, may sign (or not sign,) that DECLARES to the People of Arizona whether (or not) they will abide by and comply with the decision of a RECALL ELECTION and resign their office. This happens BEFORE the primaries, the contracts are FILED with the Secretary of State, and remain in effect for the length of their term of office.

HERE ARE THE LINKS:
Arizona Law: title 19 statues (all)
Arizona Statute 19: 221 Statement(s)
Arizona Statute 19: 222 Pledge
Sample Pledge document
McCain Pledged in 2010 Election (filing)
McCain Pledged (also) in 2004 (news release)

8. Can a person 'give up' their Constitutional 'Rights' or 'Protections' Voluntarily?
Yes. It happens every day. Consider the 'rights' given up by enlisted soldiers.

One of the ESSENTIAL keys, recognized by the courts, is that it be VOLUNTARY.. without fraud or coercement.

9. Can John McCain be recalled from office by the People of Arizona?
Yes. He most certainly can if a recall election is held after the required number of signatures are filed with the State petitioning that a recall election be held.

10. In Conclusion... to this point in the efforts of this thread, concerning an Arizona Recall Election of John McCain...
(Note: there were 1,702,326 votes cast in the 2010 Arizona Senate Race.)

there is only 1 critical threshold:

(1.) The Filing of (approx) 425,582 valid Arizona voter signatures (which is equal to 25% of the number of votes cast in the Senate race of 2010.) HERE and HERE

What Happens when that is achieved?

A recall election is automatic and his name is placed on the recall election ballot (along with a self composed 200 word 'explanation' of WHY it's unfair... his excuses... can't wait to see THAT. :)

Below his name will be a list of qualified nominees to FINISH HIS TERM.

What makes a NOMINEE eligible? 2% of Total Voters for the Office or (approx.) 34,047 signatures on a nominee petition. HERE

So that's it folks.
ALL that separates us from making this a reality....
is 425,582 disgruntled signatures.

►RobHino has secured a website for a Recall effort (thanks Rob!)
www.FireJohnMcCain.com
and has put up a 'hold' page pending developers collaborating.

►An existing Committee (or one created) must initiate the recall
with the Secretary of State. HERE is the handbook. (thanks Mark Vette!)

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With all his Syrian friends...

...I'm sure he can find a couch to crash on in Damascus.

Abdul Aziz: "John! How many time have I told you to answer the phone while I'm at work? And don't sit on the couch in your underwear!"

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Update:

regarding the recall...
I spoke today w the folks who triggered the GOP 'rebuke'
by phone and email and showed them (this) DP response to recall.
They're out hunting for backers... will get back to me next week.

►DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED ARIZONANS...
DESPITE what you think you may understand about Arizona law.

------What is commonly understood------
is that elected officials must be removed from office through the State impeachment process (Government force) and not (only) by a recall election (The People).
It is true...
It 'reads' like a government 'check' to 'balance against' the power of the people.
It's actually pretty fkd up when you think about it.

We did manage to impeach a Governor or 2 though :)

►Will this 'insulate' McCain from a RECALL ELECTION DECISION by the People????

I am told NO... especially NOT in John McCain's case.
He is vulnerable...
to
a
recall
election.

The WHY will be 'saved' for later disclosure as part of a recall strategy.

SO CHEER UP DP ARIZONANS!!!!!!!!!
I need to hear from you. PM me. It's just me and a few people right now.

Cheers,
G.

Just for the record

And a community update.

Where has The Granger Been?

This effort is real, and she's writing bylaws. I applaud her efforts, but Granger, we are talking real stuff here! And you are talking about Sovereignty of Israel, ignoring your own country and Constitution.

Shame on you Granger, and with all the posts you make, you aren't taking care of the animals you claim to have. The world is full of abused idiots. The answer is NOT to procreate more of them Granger.

Granger you sound like you support this guy. More than any idea.

I think you have made it clear that you can't hold anything substantive in your head for any length of time. But you can write post after post in what you believe in at the moment.

Goldspan might have some inspiration for you, and perhaps the rest or us.

Do some reseach on him Granger, perhaps He has the answer you have been looking for all of your life.

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/17075

The Granger is McCain

LOL

base?

I wonder why you are in super attack mode recently. I don't care for granger and all her self indulgent ranting. No opinion on Goldspan at this point, but you seem to be getting as out of control as granger. Why?

Formerly rprevolutionist

Why Not Jail Time?

Because the Syrian "rebels" are provably terrorists, and many are members of designated terrorist groups (al-Qaeda, al-Nusra Front, al-Furqan Brigades), the support that our government has provided is a criminal act punishable by life in prison according to US law (18 USC § 2339).

"Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life."

Obama, Kerry, McCain, and Graham may have committed criminal violations of US law by supporting the Syrian rebels. Is there a lawyer out there with the cajones to file a criminal suit against McCain in Arizona?

The hard part is

Holder the head jailer is the first one that needs to be jailed.

sovereign

Recall?

Wouldn't it be nicer to FORGET him?
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Recall first...

A coordinated effort....

someone needs to bring the hammer and someone else needs to bring the wooden stake!!! Lets kill this blood-sucker while he's down!!!
Go get him, AZ!!!! Round 'em up, move 'em out...RAWHIDE!!!!!!

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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Set an example.

That's what he preaches about 'controlling' dictators.

He just want's to do it with future generations money while he destroys America.

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into a SLAM

From Phoenix...

... you know things like this have been tried before. Although we'll hope things work this round.

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Kill the beast while its wounded!

Yea, I would have to say that now is an excellent time to try and get rid of him. It would certainly put a few of the others on edge because if McCain can get recalled, any single one of them can.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

I agree. But if we are going to do this we need to line up a RP

style person to replace. Sociopaths will chomping at the bit to take that spot, we don't want to end up with someone worse, if that is possible.

I know one Good person for sure

Maybe two, other than that it's a crap shoot!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

BUMP!

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA! ROUT HIM OUT!!!

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

BULLSHIT

NO!

Arrest him!
Legal Citizen arrest.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I agree with the idea!

Not sure how far you can get with it right now. But the battle, if well thought out could wake up more asleep Constitutional Americans.

That is the goal. Beating idiots just makes us all feel better.

As much as I am for this

I think a legal citizens arrest would land you in prison. Better to get DPS or the National Guard to do it!!! Can anyone say coup?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

They are losing control of both houses

Only 26 congressmen came forward to support Obama. 26!!!

Obviously they are losing moderate middle-of-the-road dems and repubs when that is the best they can do.

In different democracy styles, such a poor showing is often followed by a no-confidence vote, and if it passes the government falls.

McCain is definitely public enemy number 1.

Closely followed by Lindsey Graham, Dianne Feinstein, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Robert Menendez, Peter King, Steve Israel, John Rockefeller and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

If we can remove those people, their power structure will be completely dismantled. We will have essentially won.

Don't forget Carl Levin!

Don't forget Carl Levin!

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

Levin is retiring next year

No sense putting him in there, IMO.

The nice thing is, McCain, Feinstein and Rockefeller are 3 of the oldest senators. Would love to see at least one of those 3 retire before the next cycle.

***Update: Rockefeller also retiring!

Why should we send them off

Why should we send them off with fat pension and a sense that they are honorable people. I say include them if only to make a statement on the way out and save us the insult of paying them one more dime directly. I am sure they will do just fine off what they have made (and will make as consultants) from the Devil...

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

I sympathize with what you are saying

But I focus on regaining control of both houses. After that, if rats need to be swept up we will have the power to do it.

Lindsey Graham, Eric Cantor, Steve Israel and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz are actually the best targets per say, due to their younger ages.

Any one of those may potentially serve for another 20 years.

Compared to the old senators who will disappear by age. Time does our work for us.

Absolutely

Very well said. Another plus is everytime one is recalled the others will lose arrogance and confidence and start to vote accordingly. A McCain recall could very well be the key to changing "The Momentum on the Battle Field" as he himself puts it. It would knock all their socks off.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I can feel it. I CAN FEEL IT!!!

r3VOLution in the AIR!


http://youtu.be/KrkwgTBrW78

God Bless the Founding Fathers

Regardless of how much has been done to 'take over' over America 'legally', the idea of the the Constitution lives on.

America is the ONLY Country with that Heritage of Freedom in her path and She is Young, and has been under attack since Her beginning. Attacked though she may have been, an Idea so Precious as that is instilled in Her people.

I hope the GOP is paying

I hope the GOP is paying attention to what's happening.

Republicans are sick and tired of the McCain's, Romney's, and Christie's of the world.

McCain embodies the old guard of the GOP the most, and he's kicking and screaming all the way to his final exit out the political door.

Young people without a clue about politics must see John McCain and ask themselves, "That's a republican?"

Time to retire John McCain. Get a new hobby. Become Obama's golf partner or something, just please stay as far away as humanly possible from the republican party because, "Baby, baby, baby, you're out of..time."


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