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While You were Sleeping II: Obama officially RENEWED Martial Law declared by GWB, Post-9/11; Just before Syria PR Speech

Yes, you're under Martial Law, officially. But, y'all knew that already (well, hopefully, most of you were/are), right?

Obama quietly extends post-9/11 state of national emergency

Ned Resnikoff, @resnikoff
1:00 PM on 09/11/2013

.PDF of the GWB's Original "State of Emergency" Declaration from the Official Congressional Record (Congressional Research Service/The Library of Congress)

Twelve years after the worst terrorist attack in American history, President Obama yet again extended his predecessor’s Declaration of National Emergency for another year. The declaration, which was originally put into place on September 14, 2001, was renewed on Tuesday.

“The terrorist threat that led to the declaration on September 14, 2001, of a national emergency continues,” wrote President Obama. “For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue in effect after September 14, 2013, the national emergency with respect to the terrorist threat.”

The powers provided to the executive branch by President George W. Bush’s declaration include the ability to “detain enlisted members of the Coast Guard beyond their terms of enlistment,” “order any enlisted member of the Coast Guard on the retired list to active duty” and “increase the number of members of the armed services on active duty beyond the number for which funds have been appropriated,” according to a report [PDF] by the Congressional Research Service.

While You were Sleeping I: Obama just RE-Declared Martial Law, AGAIN, on May 7, 2013

Guess what? oBUSHma just renewed the police state, again...'officially' but very quietly; irony of ironies: the 1st MSM source that popped on StartPage search, on this issue? MSDNC.

LOL...er.. .o/

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of emergency is not martial law. Let's be clear, as that's a SERIOUS subject:


Martial law is an extreme and rare measure used to control society during war or periods of civil unrest or chaos. According to the Supreme Court, the term martial law carries no precise meaning (Duncan v. Kahanamoku, 327 U.S. 304, 66 S. Ct. 606, 90 L. Ed. 688 [1946]). However, most declarations of martial law have some common features. Generally, the institution of martial law contemplates some use of military force. To a varying extent, depending on the martial law order, government military personnel have the authority to make and enforce civil and criminal laws. Certain civil liberties may be suspended, such as the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, and freedom of movement. And the writ of Habeas Corpus may be suspended (this writ allows persons who are unlawfully imprisoned to gain freedom through a court proceeding).

In the United States, martial law has been instituted on the national level only once, during the Civil War, and on a regional level only once, during World War II. Otherwise, it has been limited to the states. Uprisings, political protests, labor strikes, and riots have, at various times, caused several state governors to declare some measure of martial law.

Martial law on the national level may be declared by Congress or the president. Under Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, of the Constitution, Congress has the power "[t]o provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel Invasions." Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution declares that "[t]he President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." Neither constitutional provision includes a direct reference to martial law. However, the Supreme Court has interpreted both to allow the declaration of martial law by the president or Congress. On the state level, a governor may declare martial law within her or his own state. The power to do so usually is granted in the state constitution ...

actually, it is,

when your rights are suspended, when you have no habeas corpus, when you have NDAA that says that POTUS on his sole say-so can arbitrarily kidnap, detain you secretly and indefinitely, or even worse, and the actually have legalese, however UnConstitutional they may be, to justify it all?

Um, yeah: you ARE living under Martial Law.

The only reason why you MAY not think so (since I don't know you, I can only go by observing whatever reason you MAY have deployed in justifying coming to the conclusions that you did), is precisely because you perhaps don't see what you 'think' a martial law police state looks like.

Well, have you ever lived in one?

Well, if you've ever had any Russian or Comm Bloc emigres for friends and neighbors, and actually engaged them in geopolitical discussions, they'll readily tell you that yes, there were the common road blocks and check pts., but on the most part, it's NOT what 'our' Hollywood imagination of policestate/martial law looked like; there weren't always armed patrols with AK's checking up on you: it was more of neighbors 'policing' each other, out of perpetual fear that strangers will report you to the 'autho-ri-teh' for what you said, etc.

Just because a rapist calls it "consensual involuntary sex" doesn't change the fact that it IS rape.

Have you been watching history for the last two decades?

There are times when it is prudent to be "principally meticulous" about laws and legalese, assuming you actually live in a society and/or a nation that is based on the rule of law, but most importantly: people actually abide by it and follow it.

But, calling "state of emergency is NOT martial law" in legal sense (of course, if we lived in a unicorn happy land, um, yeah, but we don't), when those who declare it treat it as such, regardless, and in fact have actual legalese already IN place?

Yes, it IS a martial law; you ARE living in a police state.

Now, do good people sign off of "State of Emergency" or pass NDAA? Did Mother Theresa pass or sign the "State of Emergency" and will carry out the legalese specifics and stipulations cited within it to the letter??


No. So, the fact that you're hung up on the legalese difference, which I AGREE, IF we lived in a sane society that actually follows the rule of law as it purports to/advertises as, it would be a wholly different matter. But clearly, look around, we don't live in such reality.

The WHOLE POINT of my "While Your were sleeping" is especially geared at individuals like you, who actually still believes that the political class and their enforcement class, actually give a fcuk or distinguishes the two, for our legalese-specific minds.

Newsflash: they truly, truly, don't.

I highly suggest you actually read through ACTUAL LEGALESE cited in the first one: http://www.dailypaul.com/284784/while-you-were-sleeping-obam...

Pardon, but I really don't have patience to go through step by step, legalese ALREADY in the Federal register citing every tyrannical measure even Nazis didn't deem craven enough to 'legalize.'

If after reviewing it, you still think so, be my guest. Those who already are informed, or researched it, it's no secret.

It's like ask any American born of Japanese lineage held in FDR's loving camps if you were alive then, and told them: 'Hey, you guys aren't really living in a "concentration camp" because according to the legalese, that's not what it says!' See if the internees' actual, factual reality makes a lick of difference to them: they're STILL caged, against their will, with constant, tacit reminder that they'll be shot dead by sentry snipers, if they escaped their pen.

Frankly, I don't know why I always keep getting this from self-professed libertarians (don't know if you are one, but regardless, in my experience, I do get same response from them); I 'get' L vs. R 'liberals' & RINOs who actually believe the title of a legislation is what their CONgress critters advertise it as, or whether the 'laws' as written, is how they'll actually be carried out, in reality.

And by the way, you mean you actually think that 'cop's aren't military, in reality? Ever ask why they have almost exactly the same command hierarchy and rank...as the military? Not to mention the fact that just where the hell do you think they get all their toys from? They ARE ALL federalized military police force.

That denial, MUST stop, if you actually are interested in changing or at the least, addressing the actual political enforcement arm structure occupying the once free-nation called the American Constitutional Republic.

Plus, if you think our series of replies will go something like the following, between me & "Mohusk," please, save yourself and me the trouble & don't bother: http://www.dailypaul.com/284784#comment-3072452


Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

And it starts as a simple protection plea

and, taken over by statists, becomes a nightmare for all who might simply annoy someone. Just look at what CPS/DCF can do to ruin your life forever....

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

yeah, it's like I truly don't get people who get hung up on

BS legalese, AS IF these lunatics actually even follow what they themselves their donors' thinktanks/legal aides sent by them even 'legislate'

I still can't believe there are those on DP who actually are still under the impression that just because the Ruling Class assholes call it "State of Emergency" it's NOT "martial law" when it looks like one, quacks like one, and murders like one.

Pardon y'all: it used to be that I'd debate anyone, however many times, for however repetitive a topic already addressed, but seriously, at this juncture in history, if you're on DP and still think we actually live in a society where govt terrorist assholes actually do what they were elected to do, and at all levels of 'law enforcement' they carry out the law to the letter 'as intended' I truly don't have the patience to debate you point by point.

Denial, why does it still persist?

Oy veh.

PS. as for the specifics of 'protection plea' that is precisely ground zero in their minds, to justify all that they do. Literally, these days you're ONE PHONECALL away from a pissed off neighbor simply calling "I'm bothered by my neighbor, I'm scared of what he may do: he MAYBE a drugdealer" LIE to close to a lie, away from being possibly murdered by Delta Force wannabe douchebags.

It's like you get a bad plumbing contractor and complain, you don't risk losing your life!

Call a cop, talk to a cop, you're ALWAYS, literally risking your life.

It's like, WHEN the FRAK are Americans ever gonna wake up to the fact that you have 2nd Amendment and committees of safety and local militia SO THAT you don't have to have an armed body of "King's Men"/praetorian guards to lord over you???!!!

Until that attitude changes in society, at the core, I'm afraid we'll be stuck with military political police force, no matter how 'small' a minarchist govt we may or may not get in my lifetime. though of course, if I had my druthers, we wouldn't have ANY state, at all.

But, I'm under no illusions; while the goal of ultimate human evolution SHOULD be, to grow out of the delusion that you can EVER have a benign institutionalized group of men/women with monopoly on initiation of force and theft and murder, ie. the State, the Leviathan, but I 'get' that we're not likely to truly ever reach such Stateless-ness where every human born would naturally, generationally harness the reality that they own themselves, anytime soon, though it'd be immensely nice.

Still, like all human freedoms, gotta keep taking it/demand it/exercise it AS IF it has ALWAYS belonged to you natively, generationally, and make sure we keep teaching it, before it becomes a naturally accepted de facto societal culture.

Here's to that day: hopefully, soonish. lol.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul