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Congressman Thomas Massie Helped Out My Small Business and He Drives a Tesla!

Thank you sir for supporting my small Liberty business! And for supporting the Grave's bill!

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Massie's Tesla is boss!

I got a picture of it at a conference I attended this summer. The best part... he has a license plate that says NDFED :)

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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Nice

That's awesome, nice work. I remember when you first posted about the badges and now you've got Thomas Massie handing them out in Congress.

And yeah, Massie is the coolest. He drives a Tesla car, lives in a solar powered house he built himself, is a self made millionaire, an MIT graduate and Junkyard Wars contestant... plus he's just a super nice guy and a great fighter for liberty.

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:) Funny how things work out!

Thanks for the comment! And yes, Massie is a stand-up guy. The first I heard of him was this speech about how he got into politics. You'll see how stand-up he is in the video:


http://youtu.be/v5GiKQfoppw

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!

www.RevolutionCarBadges.com
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I don't

like the peace sign. It almost looks like an upside cross. It gives me the creeps... but I do have Ron Paul revolution on the back of my car. and a Stand with rand.

have you been eating

have you been eating mushrooms? the peace sign looks nothing like an upside down cross. demons be gone:)

Ron Paul 2016

No

but the person who made this web page might have been. Or he is right.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%2...

He puts together a bunch of information. Is it true? Who knows. I'm sill not putting that peace sign on my car.

No worries bud....or buddette!

If you don't like the peace sign, I'll tell you what, don't buy it! :P

If you do like the Revolution, Don't Tread On Me, or the Stand With Rand, do consider buying one! I recently resigned from corporate America, so this is what I do now for a living! And this too! I mainly do the graphic design and web stuff, but the car badges is a cool side gig! Thanks for everyone's support!

I couldn't do it without you!

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!

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I think

its a great idea and I will look into it and share with freedom loving friends.

and its Bud.

Nice car, Massie

Now speak out against the Syria war. I haven't heard shit from you.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Massie On Syria

"We cannot improve a situation with chemical weapons by attacking with kinetic weapons. Contributing to the Syrian death count will not make anything better.

The civil war in Syria is not America’s fight and not an immediate threat to America’s security. Why should American taxpayers be forced to pay for the United States to act?" - Thomas Massie

http://wearsmyliberty.com/liberty-blog/13886932/thomas-massi...

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Here's a pic of his license plate -- you'll like it

http://wearsmyliberty.com/liberty-blog/13868660/thomas-massi...

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

BTW

Image credits to that photo are to Judd Weiss. I can totally see the crop job where you took that part and where you added your website. Respect peoples copyrights.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Nice plates! Driving a "Liberty" point with...

style.

Lol! Awesome.

Lol! Awesome.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Massie has got to be one of the coolest MIT nerds who

became a liberty/r3VOL-congressman.D

and, I mean "nerds" in the sweetest manner possible: those who are GREAT at what they do, and are driven by PASSION, who know WTF they're talking about!

unlike, the current cadre of insane guild of sociopathic nerds who usually end up in politics and corporatist entities whose raison d'être is to manifest their insecure inner controlfreak-dom to toxify the rest of the world, just so that their insanity can be made to SEEM 'normal.'

Kudos, to Massie; check out his 100% off the grid mansion w/the awesomest brick-pizza oven, not to mention his organic wagyu cattle biz!

http://www.dailypaul.com/294851/rep-thomas-massie-r3vol-mit-...

and, check him out on TLC's Junkyard Wars!

http://youtu.be/g6ECirWUs3E

what's more? he was the team leader, and his team WON!

A sign of things to come.D

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Great, so he used the tax payers

Great, so he used the tax payers to subsidize his purchase of the Tesla.

I get the hate, but I'm going to point out what the fact whether people like it or not.

Send me all the hate if you're a hypocrite 'libertarian'.

Really?

What car isn't subsidized by the American taxpayer? Did you forget about the bailouts?

Climb off the high horse.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Big oil profits

Big Oil industries have continuously prevented better technology take their foot-hold in the market, by using government coercion.

There are numerous stories on how people tried to build 100+ mpg engines and were systematically bought and paid for and sometimes even murdered when they didn't comply.

Electric vehicles are not a recent invention but have been around for more than a century - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicl.... I refuse to believe that the cost or efficiency of such an invention is still prohibitively high that government subsidies are needed to market it.

Furthermore think how would Americans use oil if USD is not the petro-dollar that it is now. It has to use oil just like the rest of the world. With the ability to create USD out of debt and the advantage of the petro-dollar system, the entire US is using subsidizing oil costing the rest of the world :P

You help me get rid of all the IMF central bankers and...

I will help you get rid of all government subsidies.

Crony capitalism is why electrics do not have a "level playing field" with fossil fuel vehicles. http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surp...

ah, no: perhaps you should research his own background 1st,

before calling him a hypocrite.

"Great, so he used the tax payers to subsidize his purchase of the Tesla."

He's a self-made MILLIONAIRE with engineering background, as well as an MIT-graduate, just as his equally brilliant HS sweetheart and MIT grad wife: http://www.dailypaul.com/294851/rep-thomas-massie-r3vol-mit-...

That TESLA?

Bought w/his money.

Do, due diligence before throwing around 'hypocrite' labels.

Beyond my above link and those cited in that thread, IF you're truly interested, you're simply gonna have to look it all up yourself; much of his info's public. As for the rest, not gonna spoon feed ya.

PS. now perchance, arguendo, should you make the rebuttal that Thomas Massie, buying a product made by a corporatist, whom DIRECTLY TOOK govt subsidy, aka Elon Musk (the billionaire founder and owner of Tesla vehicle's manufacturer), also makes him a corporatist/pro-govt subsidy pig, too, please read the reply posted below: http://www.dailypaul.com/299230#comment-3199833

in the given arguendo, if you still would argue that Massie still is, even after reading that, guess we'll be at an impasse, and it is what it is; c'est la vie.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

how do you know he used tax payer money to pay for his tesla?

The guy was pretty successful before congress.

Fyi, i didnt down vote nor is this hate. It's a legit question. Is there a document such as his tax return showing he got some kind of tax break for buying a Tesla? Has he mentioned it somewhere? is this based no the fact tesla got a big gov check. Just curious.

Do you defend Ron Paul for ear marks and "bringing money back" to his home town? He says it was their money to begin with and was returning it. That is his argument that most DPers will say. Thomas Massie could just be keeping more of his own money that he already sent to the fed. He made a whole lot on inventing and selling some medical equipemen, and I am sure uncle sam took at least half. Maybe he's just getting back the fruits of his labor. That's if he even made a claim for a return or a break.

you could buy an electric car to and "get some of your money back" too.

Is Massie a "pig at the trough"?

Lets see where you are on this or if you are a hypocrite yourself.

I just think he means that it is a gov't funded design

The actual cost to make one is around 100k and they sell for less due to subsidies. Basically, it is anti free market. The market is not mature enough to build these and it make a whole lot of sense to the consumer. The technology and manufacturing is not cheap enough yet to be a marketable item. Without govt involvement, we would not be driving these and they wouldn't have been manufactured. In order to make them affordable, there are subsidies that drive the purchase price down way below the actual physical cost to make the car. Who picks up that bill? You and I. It is a symbol of a centrally planned economy, and that is why he should not own one.

nope. that would only be correct if WHO he meant by "he" in the

the following, was Elon Musk, and not Thomas Massie:

"Great, so he used the tax payers to subsidize his purchase of the Tesla."

He thinks Massie used taxpayers subsidy to enrich himself.

True, Elon Musk the billionaire owner of the company that builds Tesla, certainly is NOT a 'libertarian' but a corporatist.

But Massie, say what you may of his choice of buy the said product sold by Elon Musk, but himself, as far as the purchase of his own private Tesla vehicle that he himself purchased with part of the millions he earned long before coming to Congress, certainly DOES NOT make him a corportist pig who is somehow stealing taxpayer's subsidy.

Suppose if you want to stretch the argument sheerly for argument sakes, one may rebut that buying from a corporatist is like buying a stolen good. Well, then there's there's the reality of our everyday lives: currently WHAT product we buy now, is devoid of ANY govt intervention, or state subsidy? Hell, they made a point to be part of EVERY transaction, ie. Fed. Reserve notes. So that argument is moot.

Now, true, for the sake of argument, suppose a given consumer bought a Ford F150 over a GMC, post govt-buyout: now, he'd certainly be a well informed consumer, and perhaps closer to living his libertarian to volunataryist leaning principles. But can that same consumer really say or verify that EVERY single parts and services manufacturer and supplier who had a hand in constructing that one vehicle, to be wholly free of govt subsidy, from the roads, to fuel and energy discounts, to tax subsidies when constructing factory in those particular locales, to tariffs for parts imported?

Then again, one would equally be mistaken to believe that Ford was the only American car company that didn't take the bail out; they WERE BAILED OUT: http://www.dailypaul.com/285180#comment-3073279

well, the unfortunate reality is that, to be truly a principled libertarian who chooses to lead as a principally pure life as one can, when one was born into a wholly corporatist and subsidized system, decades before they were even born, it truly becomes an individual balancing act.

I'm personally of the mind that as long as one is aware of the issues, and can reconcile the age old 'breaking out of the system actually means, however temporary, using already existent/participating/briefly holding-UP the system, before one can actually breaks away from the system, as much as they can'-paradox, and chooses a path most closest to their own principles and the course they've set for themselves, it's the best that any human can do.

As long as the rudder is aimed at the right direction, it's all good, I'd say.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I understand what you are saying

However, this is a little different because of its blatant disregard for a free market. I do not disagree with your statements, but, as I said...the tesla is symbolic of what is wrong and it is clear as day. You don't have to be a libertarian to know that it is entirely wrong. A car that costs 110K or something and sells for 50K? It is the most obvious ....that is all my point is.

oh you mean, kinda like the discounted price of gas that

US 'enjoys' due to govt subsidy?

Type of viscosity from well to refinery is one, distance of transport is another, speculators driving up costs are another, taxes another, but in the end crude oil is still just crude crude oil; the price discrepancy between US (an oil producer, but caps its wells to drive up cost, and currently purchase far more foreign oil, but still, oil tankers actually kinda 'float' around, until prices are set on corporatist 'free market' with already manipulated price discovery) is still mainly due to corporatist govt intervention: so you drive and buy gas in US, vs. say in Asia, or Europe, you don't think you're buying a heavily govt subsidized product? Let alone food??

If you truly break down every single item you own and/or buy and break down from the ground zero raw material origin to manufacturer to retail to you, you shouldn't be surprised to find out that EVERY SINGLE ITEM you have, at some level or another was touched by govt subsidy.

Yes, the frakkers are utterly ubiquitous; we're all currently on their plantation, with a few, very limited 'free-ish' corner patches, but we're still on THEIR reservation. So, to me arguing over whether him buying a 100k car for 50k or you buying $3.30-4.75/gal vs. Europe and Asia's $7~15/gal for the same essential product, it makes no sense to label one a corporatist, and not the other.

If just because a physical item in absolute numerical terms are much higher, say $100k car for $50k, vs. $5/gal vs $10/gal oil, the difference in subsidy is still 50% the price.

IF your goal is to remain truly purely principally consistent, does one subsidized product purchaser any 'less worse' than another, if what they're getting is still 50% less than it should be?

Clearly no. No??

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I am not disagreeing with you

the govt has its paws in everything. But as you mentioned, the simple math of it displays the centrally planned economy in all its glory. It is a poor example of someone that is supposed to be promoting free market ideas.

No, and I do 'get' that you're not disagreeing with me.

frankly it wouldn't bother me, even if you did, given the right reasoning.

guess to me, calling Massie a "a poor example of someone that is supposed to be promoting free market ideas", is kinda harsh, unfair, and frankly unfounded, considering the field available (among those currently IN govt right now, from the liberty movement).

Added to that fact, unlike most CONgress critters, Massie's a self-made millionaire, where he bought that car with HIS OWN hard earned wealth, is a brilliant MIT grad who can communicate ideas with attuned logic of his engineer's mind with practicality in mind, who has voted mainly in line with liberty principles.

now, frankly, as someone who believes that the State shouldn't even exist at all, I frankly don't care what a govt rep does (provided we're speaking within the spectrum of Ron Paul to Rand and everyone JUST SLIGHTLY-outside their range of views), to the extent that as long as those who understand the fundamental principles of liberties, freedoms, natural rights, voluntaryism, and understands that taxation is theft and govt's monopoly on initiation of force and murder can never be justified nor rectified until it actually ceases to hold such powers, or itself eradicated from the minds of the people, forever (which I'm under no illusions that it will take multiple generations with constant resistance, vigilance and education) are in govt as a multi-pronged attack/resistance to tyranny just so that the free humanity has SOME leeway to develop/experiment/perfect parallel, more voluntary systems, I'm all good.

But, that's just me. I'm not an AnCap who doesn't see the value in multi-pronged approach; minarchism should be means, with full voluntary society as an end; as long as those who enter politics and choose to use it as a mechanism and platform for education, popularizing ideas, and putting themselves 'into the gears' as a physical resistance to slow down the tyranny as much as they can, it's all good.

So don't know; suppose for the sake of discussion and point of reference: who. in your mind is a good champion of free market principles, among those currently IN govt? (frankly, that question itself should be an oxymoronic punchline, if you truly are a freemarket individual! LOL)

Currently, other than Rand, Amash, Massie, and to less extent on the still slightly neoCon-ish side: Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee (who has almost always voted right alongside Rand, but for some reason decided to let Rand & Ted take more of the public fight spotlight in the last few months, and particularly on the current Syria issue), who else is there, at all, who promotes your acceptable level of 'free market ideas'-advocacy??

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I am cool with Massey

I support him and I sent money to his campaign from a different state. I just don't like the idea of him buying a tesla. That's it! I don't think it sets a good example. I wish there were more Massies in congress. This isn't a big deal, but just crossed my mind.

well, thats part of my point

is massie a pig at the trough? If massie is, then the arguement could be made that so is Ron Paul.

I just want to see how consistent people are.

I don't think negatively of Massie

for owning the car, as it is technically his tax money to that is funding it. But it is not the same as taking social security or working the system to get money back for your district. It is an anti-american car in my opinion.