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Liberty in the Holy Bible

Galatians 5:13 ESV

For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

John 8:36 ESV

So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

2 Peter 2:19 ESV

They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.

And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Romans 8:1-2 ESV

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

Jeremiah 34:8 ESV

The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, after King Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to make a proclamation of liberty to them,

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Spirit of Liberty

Now the Lord is that Spirit, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Co 3:17.

The true liberty we are seeking for is only found in the Lord, in the Holy Spirit, and in Christ. The biggest enemy of human kind is not tyrants, power elites, wall street capitalist, or socialist communists one world government. Our biggest enemy is not even Satan. Our biggest oppressor and enemy is Death, spiritual death, physical in a lesser degree.

The Letters to the Romans explained it clearly. Death through Sin has dominated, oppressed and tyrannized the whole human race since the beginning of history. None has escaped this Death and Sin.

Christ came to change all that. He defeated Sin and Death and Satan and redeemed us from Death, reconciled us with God the Father. Now we are set free from the bondage of sin and the fear of death in Christ. With His Spirit ruling and dwelling in us, we have that true freedom!

All true political freedom is a simple outgrowing of the true spiritual freedom given by God in the bosoms of Christians. Go back through history, Truth from God through God's people brought freedom in the physical realm. But that is not the focus of Christ. Because this kingdom does not belong to Christ yet. We are free because we do not belong to this kingdom of earth and darkness. We belong to another Kingdom, that's why we are free. To experience this true liberty, doesn't mean we have to enjoy liberty in the physical realm. As Paul and countless Christians demonstrated throughout the ages. They can lock us up, torture us, kill us, but they cannot take away that liberty we have in the Spirit. I think that is the true Liberty we should pursue all our life, which is only found in God.

I Just Got Romans 13'd!!!!

A thread I saved from long, long ago :) (4yrs)
http://www.dailypaul.com/106800/i-just-got-romans-13d
A word study on Exousia reveals a LOT.
Cheers,
G.


http://youtu.be/E4yM1nvXTZ8

Those who quote Ro. 13 w/out including Ro. 12 are MISLEADING!

More is written in Romans 12 about good and evil than any one chapter in the entire Bible, yet those who want to subject themselves, and others, to the arbitrary whims of government seem to NEVER make that connection.

Here are the salient verses that ought to be weighed BEFORE giving government a blank check on telling us what we ought to think and do:

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2

"Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good." Romans 12:9

"Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men." Romans 12:17

"Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21

These are written to common believers, not some ecclesiastical hierarchy, to know and practice their faith in good conscience, yet these truths are divorced from what too many read into Romans 13, where "rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil." Ro. 13:3

Where it reads, "For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God", it ought to also be understood that, "God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man" James 1:13. It is also written, "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" Titus 1:2. So, since God, Himself, doesn't use evil to tempt (ie. test) us, and He cannot lie; then He cannot ordain evil liars to do what He cannot!

Evil can and will be overcome with good, but first we must understand and apply ourselves to the good will of God! TPTB ordained of God, and references to rulers in Ro. 13, ARE NOT whoever seems to have the most visible, arbitrary power at any point in time, especially now! They are, and have always been, only legitimate when they serve to praise those who do good, and "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." All who serve evil and persecute those who do good, are usurpers, and ought to be treated as such!

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

You can also use Romans 15 to unconfuse people

Romans 13: 4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.(notice it doesn't say, those that do good, if it disagrees with the leader)

Romans 15: 1
We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

Well stated Promisekept

Let us stay in prayer in all things

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

"God is not the author of confusion, but of peace"

Confusion and deception work together, especially in the area of defining authority. This has long been a favorite study of mine because so much hinges on getting it right. Those who leave out vital parts of, "the whole counsel of God", often do so to establish, or prop up, tyrants and dictators; whether they be in the church, or in government; the end result is that BOTH are strengthened when the consciences of believers are weakened by lack of knowledge here!

I would invite all who are dealing with those who ONLY camp on Romans 13 to copy and print out my post above, study it for themselves and then take it to them. If they balk, or get really upset by it, ask them why. If they refuse to answer faithfully, mark them as such and move on.

Thanks, holbrook, for your encouraging words. "Watch and pray".

"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Galatians 5:1

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

sound logic...

very good. :)

To the 'word study' folks...
You MUST ask yourself WHY did Paul use the word Exousia in Rom. 13
and NOT Eleutheros (and its variations) when BOTH can be translated Liberty in the Scripture?

It was CHOSEN for a reason. You need to explore this.
Our 'Liberty in Christ' (Eleutheros) is referencing our 'freedom' from sin.

Exousia (also Liberty) is the POWER or RIGHT to choose... most often translated as RIGHT elsewhere in Scripture.
'Right to Choose' or 'Liberty to Choose' to eat the fruit of the tree of life, for example..
Exousia is translated as "liberty" in 1 Corinthians 8:9:
"But take heed lest by any means this liberty (exousia) of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak."

If the word exousia means power in the sense of “the right (power) to choose” or “liberty (power) to choose,” then instead of this:

“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” (Romans 13:1)

we get this:

“Let every soul be subject unto the higher liberty. For there is no liberty but of God: the liberties that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth (opposes) the liberty, resisteth (opposes) the ordinance of God: and they that resist (sets one's self against) shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the liberty? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same.” Romans 13: 1,3

Understanding that the word exousia can and does mean liberty seems to turn the world upside down for some ministers who have been saying that the Bible is telling us to be an obedient subject, when in fact Paul is telling us to be subject to liberty.

HERE is an excellent short study on this PIVOTAL understanding.

13-Part Series

The Bible and Ron Paul

My Political Awakening: I Wanted to Change the World...
I am NOT Anti-America. America is Anti-Me - Lowkey
How to Handle POLICE STATE Encounters

Thank you Mike

I will try to find some time this afternoon to watch all 13 parts.
Ron Paul is a Baptist right?

Enjoy your day!

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Sorry

double post

My Political Awakening: I Wanted to Change the World...
I am NOT Anti-America. America is Anti-Me - Lowkey
How to Handle POLICE STATE Encounters

What about this gem?

James 1:25 ESV
But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

Cordis Die!

Christianity against the Church

The problem of human liberty is the key topic that helps better understand what Christianity is about, and often reveals the dividing line between the Church and truly free Christians. As it is known, the doctrine of predestination is part of the Church canon, but it does not fully agree with the teaching of Jesus Christ. This is just another case that demonstrates how Christianity often disagrees with what priests used to preach.
Look here what Jesus himself taught.
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (Joh_8:32).
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed (Joh_8:36).
These words of Jesus mean freedom from the slavery of sin, this is the most true liberty, and it enables human beings to live not like brutes, but according to their human nature.

In my mind...

The entire Bible is a book that defines liberty. How and when to take it, and how to keep it.

It's a shame the majority of "Christians" do not understand the Bible in truest form. Many focus on the Gospel and only the Gospel, just enough to save them, but they do not want to return the favor by doing work for God. Doing so would liberate us from all government, to be free to serve God only.

"I know where I'm going(referencing heaven), so I don't need anything else." I have heard this as an excuse to not be involved in Life, Politics, Family, etc., all in direct opposition to what the Bible describes a Christian should do...

The meaning of the word repent is confused among ALL Christians today, thinking that it means to ask forgiveness and you are saved...to repent means to STOP what your doing and go the other way.

I fear many today will not know the Truth of God, that IS God, and when they say in Heaven, I followed your teachings, Christ will say "I do not know you."

The Bible is a book for and of liberty.

While probably not 100% true, I fear on a daily basis, that those who are enslaved by those who misuse the Word of God, especially those promoting national exceptionalism, could never understand what it means to be a Christian.

Jeremiah 31:33

"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

The foundation of Liberty is personal responsibility.

Why are we here? To enjoy life while others take care of all my responsibilities?

Our country is filled with this spoiled teenager type. They will vote (when they feel motivated) to allow someone else to take care of them.

Our job as Christians is to fight evil. Just saw the new "Lego Breaking Bad Meth Lab" Can't wait to give that away for Christmas.

Liberty is not License

without restraint or constraints upon the human soul we witness
lawlessness. Hence the Ten Commandments ( now relegated to the trash heap) Our old rotten selves weren't satisfied with a measly 10
Oh NO we knew better and trotted our svelt selves out over a mere
40,000 laws codes regs statutes codifications and blather blather
slop . So, hows that working out for us?
stupid and inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks for this, LL

And you lead off with a Scripture close to my Personal Statement scripture! (Galatians 5:1)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Thank you

Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I am now tempted to use it also as my signature here.
Thank you so much.

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Right on!

Right on!

Southern Agrarian

Thank you

Thank you for the 'all important' first bump.

I posted this great quote on Twitter moments ago:

"If we have no #peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other." -- Mother Teresa

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15