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Libertarian open carry protester vs. 6 police officers




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The liberal locusts, after

The liberal locusts, after destroying their home states, always move on to rape somewhere else.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

You are

reading my mind.

mountaincat's picture

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These kinds of confrontations are necessary in this peaceful revolution. But his mussel discipline skills are seriously lacking.

OK...he's right and wrong...

What's wrong with the cop assessing whether this guy isn't on psychotropic drugs and is going to start shooting his gun as soon as the voices in his head say, "ready, aim, fire"?

How is the cop suppose to know whether it was his property or not?

I'm all for the 2nd amendment and not being harassed by the police but use some common sense and work with the police. Most are on our side when it comes to 2A.

In this day and age of psychos with guns committing mass murders don't you think people are freaked out when they see someone standing near the road with a "scary" gun?

I don't care how many Ron Paul signs and American flags you're waving, use some common sense.

Maybe we shouldn't expect the police to inquire what's going on until after the bullets start flying.

I can't stand cops that over-reach and abuse their power but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and work with them.

OK...you can start down-voting me now and tell me how I'm such a communist. I'll check it out later once I get back from the shooting range.

Must We Now Prove Our Innocence?

"What's wrong with the cop assessing whether this guy isn't on psychotropic drugs"

Unless the cop has proof, he has no business infringing the rights of a citizen.

"How is the cop suppose to know whether it was his property or not?"

Unless the cop has proof, he has no business infringing the rights of a citizen.

This video is a great example. If our natural and constitutional rights are not respected, then no citizen can have any expectation of safety. For law-enforcement to reclaim the public trust, they must learn and obey the constitutional laws which they are sworn to uphold.

Yeah, right.....

I think it is reasonable to say that it is unusual for someone to wear their gun and wave a flag in front of their house at cars as they pass by.

You don't see that everyday. To me, it's a silly immature way to prove you have rights and test the cops.

Let's say, someone driving by mistakenly thought he pointed his gun at them as he was turning while waving his flag and pulled out their gun and shot him dead on his lawn. What then?

Use some common sense.

The only way the cops would have proof that he is crazy would be after he shot someone. It would be a little late then.

I'm sure if he shot someone you loved and you later found out the cops were called but refused to check it out because they didn't have definitive proof he was crazy because he was waving a flag at cars while wearing his gun, you wouldn't be okay with it.

being that he was a holding

a giant flag in front of hiself, kinda gives it away.

But see, thats where the gov. took away your basic understanding of freedom.

When I was in high school in the 1980's we had rifles on our gun racks in our pickup trucks on school property.

After school we would sit on the tailgates and check out each others guns etc., never once did we get a second look by a student or a teacher. It was normal, they are now taking the "normal" out of seeing a firearm and that will eventually lead to people being scared and eventually the elimination of your 2nd amendment rights.

That was pre-Columbine and the age of psychotropic

drugs.

That was before we locked-up people with chemical imbalances in a mental ward and kept them away from guns.

That was before we gave teenagers and children drugs like candy because we can no longer spank their ass when they act-up. Drugs that make them suicidal and homicidal.

There has to be a balance and asking the police to check someone out is not infringing anyone's rights.

The police received a call. Were they suppose to ignore it? Is there anything wrong with them asking the man to put down his gun so they could approach and talk to him to explain why they were there?

Use some common sense.

If your kids were playing in your front yard and you saw a group of black men coming down the road carry guns like the one this guy had, would you tell them to come inside the house before they got near your property or would you say, "well, they have a right to bear arms, so I'm going to ignore them as they walk past my house with the kids playing in the front yard."

Give me a break.

A group of black men...?



Give me a break!


Exercise Liberty.


America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad

Oh, so you would just ignore them while your kids....

played in the front yard?

Exercise common sense.

Yeah, black guys, sagging pants, gangsta tattoos, walking through a predominately white neighborhood loaded for bear.

To exercise liberty would be to ignore them until they shoot someone, then call the police.

Remember the black panthers? Go watch the movie "Panther" on youtube and you'll see the beginning of gun-control laws.

How about some exceptional sense

How is "Common sense" shaped? By the current values of society?
It is those values that most here question and are attempting to influence.

Common sense is what got Obama elected.
Common sense has our children in failing public schools.
Common sense has people calling the cops, instead of walking up to this guy and asking what he is doing.

Common sense these days means punting any and all perceived problems to some level of government, not rolling up your sleeves and solving them yourself.

Current common sense = "we locked-up people with chemical imbalances in a mental ward and kept them away from guns."

Current common sense = "we gave teenagers and children drugs like candy because we can no longer spank their ass when they act-up. Drugs that make them suicidal and homicidal."

You advocate to the people here "Use some common sense."

I would advocate to you that you give some thought to using exceptional sense. Common sense is what got us to where we are now.

My common sense is exceptional sense....

You have the common sense you're referring to in your comments mislabeled.

We are where we are not because of common sense, we are where are where we are due to political correctness.

My argument isn't whether the guy should have a gun, it is based on how he is using the gun. Using a loaded gun as a protest accessory irresponsibly allowing it to point in the direction of cars whether pointing up or down at an angle when guns can accidentally go off. If the bullet goes up, it comes down somewhere. Bullets can ricochet as well.

Why have a loaded gun to protest? Why not just have the gun if all you want to do is protest your right to have a gun? Why can't the police ask him to make sure the gun isn't loaded and pointed where toward the street or up in the air? They should be allowed to ask him to secure the weapon so they can approach and talk to him.

The police were their to investigate gun safety, not his right to have a gun. What's wrong with that? Was he drunk? What's wrong with finding out? Was he mentally sound?

If all that checks out, then protest away, don't point the loaded gun toward the street or up in the air.

Common sense.

It's jerk-asses like him that agitate people because he doesn't have the common sense to own a gun responsibly.

inquiry

What's wrong with them going through your paper work?
What's wrong with them searching your home?
What's wrong with them doing a cavity search?
What's wrong with them holding you in a cell for a while?
What's wrong with them killing a few people?

I mean, as long as we're safe, right?

Oh, and just because you shoot doesn't mean you are pro gun or understand the idea of natural rights, even Dianne Feinstein owns a gun.

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Which of these stretched scenarios happened in this....

incident?

"What's wrong with them going through your paper work?
What's wrong with them searching your home?
What's wrong with them doing a cavity search?
What's wrong with them holding you in a cell for a while?
What's wrong with them killing a few people?"

All the police wanted to do was confirm this guy was of sound mind. I support 2A and I'm a Libertarian but I can understand some people thinking someone wearing a gun and waving a flag at cars as they pass by might be off in the head. It's not something you see everyday.

Once the cops realized the guy was sane and he was simply trying to bait them, they left.

Whoever deleted my comments,

Whoever deleted my comments, wake up and quit being a prude. I don't think we should all go around killing cops randomly, or even in response to what specifically happened in this particular video. But what if this officer had decided to simply open fire on these innocent people, as has occurred in the past? What if this was yet ANOTHER instance of the cases which happen DAILY where officers physically torture and kill civilians who have done nothing wrong?

I'm sorry if you think it's controversial to say so, but the fact is there is a threshold of wickedness which, once crossed, opens the transgressor to just and necessary retaliation, regardless of any uniform they might be wearing or car they might be driving. Maybe you would, but I would not let a cop brutalize and murder me or my family.

I like the Ron Paul sign by the mailbox

great Vid

ConstitutionHugger's picture

Not that excited by this encounter

I admire the guy's fearless stand, but it did look like the gun was a little sideways as opposed to up and down. He's standing by the side of the road and he should be extremely careful about that. The cop, of course, said it was pointed at him, which was an exaggeration.
The cop should have clearly expressed that he would like the gun to be completely vertical instead of acting like a control freak. Whether this guy was a nut, or a concerned citizen exercising his rights, the cop should have approach him in a way that did not create unnecessary tension. He provoked a bad situation instead of behaving in a way that would peacefully resolve it.
Normally, gun owners don't walk around with their guns, right? But now, with our rights being threatened constantly, I can understand why people are outside walking around with them. These are troubled times.

I agree

thought the same thing about the gun.

You have a good point about how the cop reacts. Their reaction does cause tension, but the troubling thing is this is probably how they are trained to respond. The guy probably doesn't even think about his actions escalating the situation, he is probably focused on responding how he was trained. It's an asinine way to approach the situation. If your strategy of being a control freak doesn't work, then it's inevitable that you've increased hostilities.

Yep. Poor Firearms "Etiquette"

Carrying it slung horizontally so it "flags" everyone going by is just sloppy. If you're going to do things like this for the liberty movement, do it right.

I agree, bad firearms safety.

I agree, bad firearms safety.

being that

the rifle was strapped to him in a hanging position, it can't be pointed. If your hands are on the firearm and it was that position it would be somewhat pointed, however it still would have been fairly obvious it was aimed downward.

Being strapped and free hanging there is obviously no intent to shoot anyone, however it would have been better strapped to his back and pointed down, as the open carry guys did in Austin Texas.

Still great stuff, I understand the cops have to answer a call, which probably came from a passer by, but all he had to say was correctly position your rifle for your protest of your 2nd amendment rights and I'm done here.

Some states you have the right to open carry, of those a few have tricky wording that if you are somehow making others nervous by your open carry action you must leave. That law should be axed and is probably unconstitutional , somehow they always forget about the "shall not be infringed" part.

Holy crap!

This guy's my new hero.

And his sidekicks are officially the most beautiful women I've ever laid eyes on.

(And I didn't even get a good look at them.)

deacon's picture

great post

i saw this the other day as a comment to another
good to see it posted as a stand alone,and good job
informing the lying cop

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression