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Congressman Becerra thinks people are not forced to pay taxes?

Congressman Becerra thinks people are not forced to pay taxes????

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This is a misrepresentation of what he said

The congressman was asking how people were forced to pay taxes. If a court imposes a fine or jail for violating the law is what he said. He didn't say anything about it being voluntary, not being forced or any of that. The interview really didn't amount to anything one way or the other.

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He objected to the use of the word force in the question

He objected to the formulation of the question as to people being forced to pay taxes. He asked how are they being forced? I explained the obvious, if you don't pay the tax you will be fined or jailed.

Jan Helfeld

He's right...

...you're not forced to pay taxes. It's voluntary, and you're simply ignorant of the law. If you took the time to study the law, then you would realize this. SEDM.org is a fantastic place to start. Of course, the government doesn't make it easy, but the law is on your side 100% of the time in court, IF you apply it.

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If you don't pay do you get fined or jailed?

If you don't pay do you get fined or jailed?

Jan Helfeld

it depends

did a court find that you owed something and did not pay it?

a large number of people have no tax liability. So you first have to determine if a law was broken. That was the congressman's point.

Additionally...

...no public office holder can divulge the specifics, as they are trustees of the public trust. Thus, the "obtuse" and "vague" references to income tax being voluntary, for example. Don't EVER expect specifics, because they would, at the very least, immediately lose their office (likely their lives as well for treason).

Why is it so hard to acknowledge the obvious?

Honestly, even the most mainstream person knows you must pay because basketball players, actors, and other very popular people have had to go to jail for not paying taxes. What's the play here? Also the very popular saying, "there's only two things certain in this life: death and taxes." This is like saying a building is solid orange and solid black at the same time.

You really have to abdicates consciousness if you are going to make such an absurd claim.

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I agree

I agree.

Jan Helfeld

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Bump

Good work Jan.

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Thank you for your support

Thank you!

Jan Helfeld

I believe he was being

I believe he was being purposely obtuse. It is a fact that government uses the threat of force to collect some taxes. Politicians are slippery. Perhaps You should have pinned him down on a specific tax, i.e. Income Tax.

Thanks for sharing, Jan. Good luck!

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

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Thank you for your support and praise.

Thank you for your support and praise.

Jan Helfeld

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Are people forced to pay taxes?

Are people forced to pay taxes? Congressman Xavier Becerra, Chairman of the Democratic Caucus, thinks people are not forced to pay taxes. Amazing!!!

Jan Helfeld

Yes criminals claiming to be "government" are using violent

force to make the People pay taxes. I understand this to be true and correct and I have even filed a formal affidavit with the IRS to notify them of this fact.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Speaking of criminals

Speaking of criminals collecting "taxes":

A few years ago my wife (the NRA basic-pistol and personal-protection instructor) was accosted in our driveway by a local gangster, who told her that we hadn't been paying our "taxes" to the local gang.

She pointed out that we paid local, state and federal taxes and clarified that he was talking about extortion.

She pointed to her Ducks Unlimited sticker and explained that, as a duck hunter, she could, with a shotgun, hit something the size of a human heart at fifty yards, even if it could fly.

He asked if she'd feel bad if she killed a kid. She said that she wouldn't be too happy about it but she'd console herself with the knowledge that she'd saved all the people who'd otherwise have been victims of his future crimes.

He asked if she was worried about getting hurt or killed. She said that, according to her religion, dying while fighting in defense of home and family was a guaranteed trip to heaven, and since she wasn't sure she'd lived a virtuous enough life it would be a valuable opportunity.

We never heard from this guy again.

In fact, after we, and the rest of the neighbors, convinced the landlord of the drug house down the block to evict the dealers - by things like tens of phone calls every time they had a loud 2AM party, disrupted sidewalk traffic, or otherwise made a nuisance of themselves, and by threatening him with civil RICO now that he'd been notified that his tenants were a nuisance, pretty much nobody for several blocks around heard from him, either.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Sorry Michael

I must address what you said and inform you of the error of this belief "She said that, according to her religion, dying while fighting in defense of home and family was a guaranteed trip to heaven"

This is simply not true!

I know who teaches this, but it is absolutely contrary to what God tells us in His Word!

If that were true, then Christ died in vain.

If anyone is to get to heaven, it must be by the atoneing work of Jesus Christ alone, to repent of your sins, to believe on Him and place all your hope and trust in Him in every area of your life, follow Him as your one and only Way to heaven, all your days, and you will then be walking the straight path that leads upward.

Please get a Bible ( an Authorized King James Version is excellent ) and read it.

Read the book of Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, and just keep reading slowly and pray for wisdom and understanding from Him. That is where you will find the real Truth about sin and forgiveness ONLY through faith in Christ alone!

Peace!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

You're assuming she's a

You're assuming she's a Christian.
The bad guy was assuming she's a Muslim. B-)

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

He is correct.

Certainly you've made some gross assumptions and sweaping generalizations.

It seems you are under the illusion that every breathing individual in America is required to pay some sort of tax just for existing.

You don't seem to specify WHICH tax you are referring to, nor do you seem to grasp that no single tax applies to everyone.

As well, if everyone were FORCED to pay taxes, then there could never be a trial against those who don't do so, as they would have been forced to do so.

Your presumptions are rather absurd, and quite frankly, expose you as at the very least, as a "useful idiot."

For there to be a trial there would have to be

there would have to be a Court of Law and the Lawful (just) powers of that court would have to be derived directly from the consent of the governed. Those claiming to be a court possess neither of these. The "Judges" and "US attorneys" would be required to be operating within the Constitutional bounds of their claimed Constitutional capacity. The men and women claiming to be "government" no longer hold capacity because they actively stand in breach of duty of Article 1 Section 10 of the very contract they claim to be under the capacity of. If a man or woman does not maintain themselves within the bound capacity they lay claim to then the they no longer are in that claimed capacity. The tender in the payment to the man/woman "in" the claimed capacity is an unlawful tender that is a private bank's mathematically guaranteed to fail debt note in direct violation of Article 1 Section 10 tender law. Therefore they are falsely claiming to be "government" thus they are committing fraud on top of the extortion, all felony crimes.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Rock for brains?

Threat of force is force.

Let's make this simple.

Do you have the option to opt out of paying taxes? No.
Do you face consequences for not paying taxes? Yes.

If you're not being forced to pay taxes then why would you be penalized for not doing so?

Simply put

The IRS simply thumbs their nose at the statutes and regulations.
It is all a scam and run by criminals.

I think most know this and rightfully fear losing houses, bank accounts, and even losing their freedom in some big house.

I know of some personally who had the paperwork from the IRS showing a ZERO balance of taxes due, and yet they spent 4 years in a cell for not filing.

I real all their paperwork and motions, and they were railroaded with no justice but injustice by the thugs and the corrupt courts.

It was very sad.

Just as you lawfully do not owe the Mafia any of your hard earned pay, yet if you go against their wishes if they ask you to volunteer to them.......well, I think you know what I am saying.

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

that's rather harsh, don't

that's rather harsh, don't you think?
Wake up on the wrong side of the petri dish this morning?

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan