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Anyone Annoyed by "Texting and Driving" Laws?

Is anyone else annoyed by laws against texting and driving?

Firstly, the "scientific" studies that show that texting and driving are exceptionally dangerous are not persuasive. Or, that is to say, we do lots of dangerous things - this is not any different. I skateboard, which is probably "dangerous" for 99% of you who do not skateboard. YOU will get hurt. I, on the other hand, have not so much as broken a bone after skating for 13 years.

Secondly, let's be honest, many people do safely text and drive. It is a skill to learn which should be taught. You obviously cannot really text while driving on turns and so on. Mostly I would text between the time I was stopping and going at a stop sign or light. Or, on desolate roads and highways you can toggle back and forth between looking.

Thirdly, new technology will probably soon come in and render this discussion pointless. BUT, THEN we will have the problem of repealing laws that no longer make sense for the new way to text.

Fourthly, this law cannot be enforced justly. And, if it is simply tacked on to a crash, it only adds insult to injury and did not prevent the crash in the first place.

Thanks for listening DP, I have just been absolutely surprised by virtually no opposition to these measures here in PA! These laws just seemed like more pointless creeping statism, to me!




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I oppose all "pre-crime" laws

I don't text or use a cell phone while driving. If I am driving in unfamiliar area, I do not even listen to the radio. I feel people who do are stupid, but stupidity is not a crime. Reckless driving is and eliminating all "pre-crime" laws, including speed limits on highways would likely result in FEWER accidents and injuries and be a good start to reduce the greatest danger to public safety, oppressive government.

Issue is not texting laws...

The problem isn't that we have texting laws, but that we have public spaces. For example, if I decide to build a new PRIVATE highway, then I can say that people may or may not text, the speed limit (if any), etc. The government should have nothing to do with what I do on my private property. People on my highway will accept the risks that they take. As for cities, covenants such as we have in many neighborhoods would work jut the same. One covenant may allow it, another may not.

Until a law is passed

outlawing stupidity, arrogance and selfishness we, unfortunately, must have laws such as this to protect others from individuals demonstrating those traits.

If not us than who?

I agree with you 100%. the

I agree with you 100%. the studies show that neither cell phone laws or seat belt laws work. But we all knew its for revenue anyway. Cell phone ban does not reduce accidents: California revenue scheme exposed as complete fraud. I got a cell phone ticket the first day the law went into effect in CA, in 2008. the clown used his SIREN to pull me over. i'd never got pulled over with a siren before.

He asked if I 'forgot to buy my headset'.

I told him I didn't forget, but rather its a bogus law & I reject it. Then I used all their procedures against him & beat it in court. I did a write up and its one of the most frequently visited pages on my site. a LOT of people want to learn how to fight these tickets.

its not a matter of jabbering to the judge this or that and telling him your life story or making some excuse.

the way you win is by using their technical b.s. & procedures against them. its not about whether you talked on the phone or not.

I know people who are religious and would feel guilty if they didn't pay it.

im religious too, and I didn't deny talking on the phone. its not about lying. its about stealing money from innocent people for non crimes.

HOW I BEAT A CELL PHONE TICKET IN CALIFORNIA

Note: I am not a lawyer, nor would I want to be. "Woe to you lawyers also, because you load men with burdens which they cannot bear", Luke 11:46

I am way more annoyed at ...

I am way more annoyed by idiots that text and drive than I am by laws against it. Idiots that text and drive put other peoples lives in danger and text laws don't. Are you smart enough to see the difference?
If you are not then watch these real life videos. Maybe you will realize how stupid and dangerous texting is while driving. Grow up, that text can wait till later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZHRyk4AbFw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEiBVfvnR6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27PusMk7f6U

RickStone

This is just a wedge issue, circular reasoning, no end in sight

recalcitrant irascible diversionary non-exculpatory wordy divisive nonsensical extemporaneous diatribe, inculcating tomfoolery.

why are pandas exempt from RICO statutes?

Michael Nystrom's picture

Yeah and right after he posted this, he posted a Jew thread

So...

You won't see him around any more playing his game.

You learn to spot 'em, that's for sure.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Hah, Yes indeed!

As soon as I saw this post, I saw a nice juicy steak, with a big bright shining hook through it. Nothing but bait people.

This is the clear bait, distraction from the real issues, and perhaps that there is still a more insidious trolling effort taking place, here and globally, continuously.

Unfortunately for them, an idea who's time has come, can not be stopped!

Like most things government,

Like most things government, the reality is the opposite of what is claimed.

I work in the auto insurance industry with actuaries who actually figure out statistical likelihood of claims. In EVERY state where texting is now illegal, accidents from texting have INCREASED. Why? It's simple. Instead of holding the phone up high so people can see the phone and the road, they now hold it low to avoid a state penalty and they take their eyes off the road.

The reality is this is just another statutory means of extracting money from people who have harmed no one.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

No thread

here in years has ever so disappointed me like this one. We're really no different from the neocons or the socialists. Yea don't worry this law will be a good one, this is the one that will make us safer and have no unintended consequences. This is the one we have needed for so loooooong. "Hey there should be a law against that!"

By the way, did you know that if you decide not to drive drunk in NY and instead park and sleep listening to the radio you are DWI? Does it matter that the car is off and the key is turned backward? The law is the law so Mr Officer will just have to make everyone safer by ruining your life even when it's morally wrong. He doesn't write the law, he just enforces it and makes quota.....but no one will be hurt by your new "texting" law. If we're lucky it will be passed having not been read and be just chocked full of fantastic new regulations but who gives a flying fuck since someone will feel safer.

Like I said yesterday, boy are we fucking stupid.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Just stopping by to see this day-old thread

Yup, the Daily Paul is still the Daily Nanny State more so than the Daily Libertarian, thanks to an infestation of frightened safetycrats.

Fort Lee, NJ is banning texting while walking because pedestrians with cell phones are murder. Texting while eating will be next--will save countless ignorant people from needless choking deaths, youbetcha.

A study by the Highway Loss Data Institute examined insurance claims from crashes before and after cell phone restrictions took effect in California, New York, Connecticut and Washington, D.C. The organization found that claims rates did not go down after the laws were enacted. It also found no change in patterns compared with nearby states without such bans.

What we need is more laws which do nothing (but generate revenue).

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What we need is more laws which do nothing (but generate revenue

Here here. I agree! The beauty of this Law is it also allows law enforcement a way to semi-legally stop and inspect a car and it's driver for road-worthiness. And if a miscreant is found unworthy, his piece of plastic in his wallet that mystically allows him to start and maintain some form of control over a vehicle can be seized, thereby rendering him physically unable to operate a vehicle.

O. M. G! Brilliant!

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No

http://www.dailypaul.com/270001/time-for-my-nightly-jam-sess...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

No.

No, I'm annoyed by negligent drivers who barrel down the road endangering innocent bystanders.

Here's how to solve the car "accident[1]" problem:
http://richgrise.tripod.com/images/Safe-Car.gif

[1] There is no such thing as an accident, merely negligence. The 100% sure way to never ever have an accident is to make sure that whatever you do, you do it on purpose.

Freedom is my Worship Word!

No. I am annoyed though that

No. I am annoyed though that people do completely stupid things that people think you can pass a law to prevent.

Definitely should start a new

Definitely should start a new competition. Skateboard on a 15ft half pipe while texting on phone. Extra points sending 10 text per minute without any broken bones.

Downhill skate boarding race while texting...

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I'd like to take this opportunity to invite

any of you who agree with the OP to come out on the highway with me and witness just how delusional this posting is. I'm employed as an inspector for PennDot and am terrified every time I see someone heading in my direction who is paying more attention to their phone than to their windshield. I'm the last person on this earth to encourage our government to make more laws but their seems to be a rampant profusion of selfishness that allows individuals to place their immediate desires over another's safety. Do me a favor....stick to skateboards and allow guys that work on the highways to do their job in the relatively minor safety we have.

If not us than who?

I'll take this opportunity to invite to you explain...

exactly how simply passing a law will actually stop the problem.

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Gladly,

Revoke the idiots drivers license for a year and problem solved. I took your invitation, would you be willing to accommodate mine?

If not us than who?

Suuuuuure

"I'm the last person on this earth to encourage our government to make more laws but...."

This is the problem with America.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

My SO is a trucker

and every single day he has stories about someone texting or talking when they should be paying attention to what they're doing.

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

Pointless laws

You're right... we are free!!! Freedom!!! yay! So I guess you don't agree with stopping at red lights, or stop signs? Those are just pointless. Drive 90 in a 70 mph zone, go go go.... If people paid attention and were aware of things around them, we wouldn't need all the laws.
I grew up in a town of 5k people. We had one traffic signal. We got around fine without signs and lights because there were straight through streets and people yielded the right of way. Being a courteous driver and respecting others works great until people encounter someone who thinks their text is more important than others' safety. By all means make sure you text to someone an important message of lol or omg. I am amazed that people can't sit the damn phone down for 5 minutes.
Please continue texting while driving until you kill someone. Then you can say it was their fault for being in your way. Oh, if you get bored with texting you can always play games on your phone while driving!!

Formerly rprevolutionist

lols

I hear ya.. if I have something so important to tell someone that it can't wait for a few minutes then it's important enough for me to pull over or wait until I'm home. The only reason I even have a cell now (I threw my other one out) is because my SO sent me one so I.. well I guess it's because if I need roadside service or something and he wants me to be safe.

Personally..., there is little I see as more moronic that someone walking or driving with a cell phone glued to their ear, yammering away, missing a lot of what's going on around them.

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

Texting and driving laws don't do anything.

They only affect the position of the phone and how far your eyes have to travel to text and keep your eyes on the road at the same time.

Without the laws, the phone would be up above dashboard level, with the phone hand likely resting on top of the wheel. Lack of concentration is still there, but at least the phone is kept at eye-level with the road, making it easier to switch one's focus.

With the laws, the phone is down on the person's lap or held in front of their stomach. Lack of concentration is obviously present, but this time with the additional obstacle of the person needing to raise and lower their whole head to switch their focus between the phone and the road.

The law makes an already dangerous action even more dangerous.

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I don't think it should be a law, but

Anyone who says texting and driving isn't dangerous doesn't know what they're talking about.

I think talking on the phone is fine. People can multitask. But with texting, you're not just distracting your mind, you're also distracting your eyes and hands.

I admit, I text and drive. But only at red lights where the most I'll encounter is honks from the people behind me.

I've been in the car with friends while they were texting and driving and it scares the hell out me. Usually they end up drifting into the lanes beside them or not realize they need to break for the car in front of them.

some people...

read books while driving...

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

anybody notice

its illegal to text and drive but perfectly legal to write grandma a letter long hand.

You may think you're that good

the problem is not everyone is,

Some laws are necessary whether you like it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos

"you can toggle back and

"you can toggle back and forth between looking"

That is precisely the problem, people taking their eyes off the road while they should be paying attention.

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Who's downvoting this?

Not a lot of libertarians around here on the Daily Paul, I reckon. More like safetycrats such as Joan Claybrook.

I am extremely annoyed by texting and driving laws.

I find your arguments persuasive, but then I've always opposed "[fill-in-the-blank]ing and driving" laws. Driving while drinking isn't the same as driving impaired. Driving while texting isn't the same as driving impaired. They should have to demonstrate the dangerousness of the accused rather than making the specious argument that certain things are presumptively dangerous.

Driving while texting laws are just another revenue generator. Proven by the fact that they give out the tickets merely for holding the phone in your hand whether texting or not. My father in law went to court with his phone records to demonstrate that no texts were sent prior to getting a ticket.

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