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The Pope Condemns the Idolatry of Money. The Pope is Right.

The Moral Law does not take a backseat to economics. It is the foundation of any free economic system, just as virtue is the foundation of any well ordered political system. Whether you adhere to that moral law or not you cannot expect those who do to put their morality on hold in the economic domain, on whatever level.

Every actor within the economic system, anywhere, on whatever level, acts as an individual and is responsible to his own conscience for whether he acts morally or immorally, or exploits a person or people unjustly for profit, in a given situation.

Whether the individual is acting entirely as a free agent or carrying out responsibilities for an institution, all economic activity involves the choices of individuals and their priorities. What behavior is morally acceptable or not is not for me to say, but we all know where the line is whether we follow it or not.

It is important not to confuse laws of economic behavior, which may or may not be valid theoretically or scientifically, with the moral strictures of a religious point of view and the governance of one's own behavior in accord with it or in violation of it.

The Pope is the head of a religious community that upholds moral standards for every individual, whether acting purely for themselves or as representatives of an institution and carrying out its chartered purpose. If that behavior is immoral, the individual is failing to uphold that standard.

Whether you accept that standard or not, that is the standard for the body of believers the Pope speaks to. And he will use his influence to promote that behavior and the shape of world policy, in the same way he will stand up and oppose wars and injustice in Syria or Palestine.

Saying "I work for a corporation, the purpose of which is to create profit for shareholders" is not an excuse for engaging in immoral behavior that leads people into harm. Even if it makes economic sense.

Dumping toxic securitized assets off on pensions made perfect economic sense, as did writing the bad loans in the first place, for those economic actors who did it at that moment. Getting away with poisoning people through harmful food makes great profits for executives and shareholders at some companies.

It may make economic sense for the bottom line of a company to do plenty of immoral things that would violate the imperatives of the body the Pope speaks for. What may be legal economic activity, often impossible to spot or regulate, can be the subject of moral constraint if people indeed behave morally.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no economic or political system can ever be designed to provide an incentive structure that will stop the emergence of fraud and corruption, and the use of coercion in their service, if the desire is there in the hearts of the powerful.

It is not a matter of education or understanding, it is a matter of a desire for the power, the wealth, the status, the Ego reward that comes from exploiting others with power, be it economic or political power.

Laws could not stop such behavior, nor punish it after the fact, where morality could have prevented it. No economic system will ever be free from fraud and evil if the people which compose its body have unrestrained greed in their hearts, and are willing to do evil.

It is a little silly to imagine people could adopt unrestrained greed and willingness to do harm to others, on the economic plane, and not have the same morality and attitude when it comes to using the state to advance their economic interests. To think they can take every advantage economically, while abstaining from taking everything they can get by coercive means.

The whole libertarian idea depends at bottom on moral behavior, since it demands people do not use the state or empower the state for their own purposes against others, even when they can.

The state may be the arm of coercion, but it is private individuals and private interests which use their influence and wealth, often legitimately obtained, to empower the apparatus of the state. To enrich themselves further. To increase their share. To give them more power over others. To protect their ill gotten gains, to bail out their friends, to exploit people all around the world economically. To squeeze money out of loans even if it means starving an economy and hungry kids.

Nothing will stop the wealthy and powerful from using the inherent possibility of force in the nature of human society, against others to exploit or harm them. You can decapitate the state but 3 heads will grow back where there was one, if the will for it to exist is there.

It is false to try to separate components of morality into purely coercive and purely non coercive compartments. If someone is willing to act truly immorally without coercion, they are of a state of character and spiritual condition that will make them jump at the first chance to benefit from coercion.

If the powerful want to act immorally in a private capacity, why not also with the aid of the state? If they have the wealth and influence, they will be able to do so. Why not do it?

If people are unable to separate moral life from economic theory, that it their problem and not the Pope's.



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whatevs. that was yesterday.

whatevs. that was yesterday.

deacon's picture

maybe,it's the stolen treasure

stolen through the death of the ones who formerly owned it
maybe it's the fact that the vatican purports to be holy and just,but
killed all who wouldn't conform,and killed the ones who did
maybe it's the fact that they rape little boys,and still try to hold
that they are pure
maybe it's the fact that Catholicism is of pagan origin,going back to babylon
and the pope wears the pagan garb of Nineveh (fish worship)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

which treasure are you

which treasure are you referring to?
stolen by the church when? names, dates?

is all stolen treasure wrong or just treasures owned presently by the vatican?

what about the land we live on, is that stolen treasure? is it okay because you aren't catholic?

did you know that for like 1500 years the catholic church was the only church of christianity in western europe, and made christians out of all your ancestors?

any church lands that was not forecefully expropriated by the state would be retained by it. do you believe its property should be expopriated by the state?

the pope wears the "garb of niniveh?" this is a new one. do you have a cite for that? or is it just some silly urban legend you believe?

enlighten me.

deacon's picture

are you that historical illiterate?

what do you think the conquests were for?
it was to steal what was not theirs,and it includes
all of the americas,south america was taken over and the gold/silver was stolen as spoils of war...war??? the war they created from rumors of gold in them there hills
what do you think the inquisitions were for? it was to purge and or convert the real christians off the land
now take a look at the popes hat...it is a fish head,his robe he wears is the body/scales of that fish that was worshiped in babylon
Catholicism IS NOT Christianity,far from it,it is pagan worship of false gods
now let me ask,if it was true christianity,why them would they kill all
who would not conform,and why would they kill and steal peoples from other lands,then steal their goods? is that,by any stretch biblical?
what do you think is guarded in the catacombs under the vatican?
who is the statue,that they say is peter?? why,it is none other than jupiter
another false god...maybe?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

which fish? Dagon?

which fish? Dagon?

deacon's picture

yes bill3

http://www.bible-history.com/past/dagon.html

scroll down a bit,and you will see the scales,as well as the head

take a look at these pictures

http://www.whale.to/c/fish_head.html
look at this

http://www.1611kingjamesbible.com/constantine.html/

constantine was also recorded in the bible,as bowing down to the sun
squinting as he did so (this created the "cross" also used for romans
shields
he was the one who stated that no one will be holding the feasts of the lord thereby nullifying the jewish holidays,this in turn put people into hiding,for fear of their lives

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

mayhaps it goes deeper. into

mayhaps it goes deeper. into the jesus fish itself, symbol of all iniquity.

deacon's picture

i had thought the same thing

until i read that they wanted a universal bible (to please the pagans)
and the Nicene creed,this took chapters and books out,can man do that?
yes,but probably not with gods blessing
it is not that deep,it is pagan worship,this is seen by actions
and deeds
do they exude love and mercy? no
do they have the power to forgive? no,the bible says there is only one way
can they hear confessions? yes,but it does no good,and it usurps from the who can claim to affect ones confession
can the pope claim to be the vicar? sure,but it is a lie,only one can sit
on the right hand of god
take a look at some of his staffs he uses,one has the world in its grasp
take a look at his lapel,it is Solomon keys,and one a constellation
what do these mean?,they are not biblical,it is pagan worship,false god type of thing,and this what they are into,the lower class might not know,but the higher ups do

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

o, sorry thought u realized i

o, sorry thought u realized i was making fun of you.

deacon's picture

no worries

It just means next time you ask,you won't get any answers
probably from others as well.

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

deacon's picture

J.B.

you are correct in your comments,but...they do not guide
us,i do get your point tho

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence