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I Think Ted Cruz is Trying to CO-OPT Rand

Ted Cruz is a Bush guy. He is clearly the establishment answer to Rand Paul. It's pretty clear that he is trying to setup a situation where he will get the nomination for President or split the conservative libertarian vote within the party and leave us with Jeb or Christie.

We know very little about him other than the fact that he worked for Bush and his wife worked for Goldman. His rhetoric is great but look beneath the surface, he seems like he is to conservatives what Obama was to the progressives, great rhetoric very little substance, an establishment trick paying lip service to those it needs to neutralize.

Be very wary of him. He is a Bush guy with very little track record.

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This is not a conspiracy post

I have heard people saying they would vote for Cruz over Rand in the primary. This is crazy! He completely tows the establishment line on foreign policy. We should question and be leery of all of those claiming to be friends of liberty.

His rhetoric is good, we should support Cruz on the issues he is right about but also be vigilant. We know very little about him. He's a friend of liberty so far but he is no Rand or Ron.

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I have a feeling

We (the DP) are being watched right now so the 'establishment' can figure out how to deal with us pesky libertarians next. They must be loving all this bickering about Cruz. We need to truly understand this guys principles in the months to come.

"It’s not pessimistic, brother, because this is the blues. We are blues people. The blues aren’t pessimistic. We’re prisoners of hope but we tell the truth and the truth is dark. That’s different." ~CW

I think too many of

you are being way to harsh on Cruz. Yes, he worked for Bush, but that doesn't mean he agreed with everything Bush did. People praise Jim Rogers, and he used to be in partnership with Rothschild agent George Soros. So, does that mean we shouldn't trust what Roger's talks about? To tell you the truth, I don't what anybody says, I look at empirical evidence. On the merit, Cruz has taken as much, if not greater (immigration) for Liberty, as Rand. Both, have cowered down to the Israelis, though, Rand has made some recent comments that appear he might be 'seeing the light'. Even Dr Paul 'walked the tighrope' with Israel, and really doesn't give us a legit statement when he states 'our government restricts the actions of Israel', when two of his supporters, former CIA ME experts, Michael Schueur and Phillip Giraldi, state just the opposite. Until, the masses wake up to the Zionism hoax, created by the Rothschilds, which may not happen until an all out economic collapse, the politicians are going to watch how they approach the Israeli deception. If Cruz was really part of the establishment, they wouldn't be trying to destroy his credibility like they have been doing. Until, the establishment starts praising him for his ambition, I will withhold any judgement against him. Dr Paul wouldn't have endorsed him in the Senate race if he thought he was on the wrong side of his ideological beliefs, you can bank on it.

First Rand Paul was the establishment's answer

to Ron Paul.

Now Ted Cruz is the establishment's answer to Rand Paul.

What's next Marco Rubio is the establishment's answer to Ted Cruz?

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Just like neo-liberals and neo-conservatives (who are really just progressive socialists), we can expect to see some neo-libertarians in the near future. Is Cruz the first of these?


you are just now noticing ? A little late. I've been on to this Rat for a long while. He is a Turd...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Just curious...what is your

Just curious...what is your hutch based on?

Co Opt?

Rand Paul is a Mitch McConnell lover boy.

I'll take my chances with Cruz. Okay so maybe he is posturing. But at least he is not sucking MMc's ****. You figure it out.


Underlying thought of this is: 'we need to elect someone that will be always doing right so we can relax'. No, you will never be able to relax and will allways have to watch like a hawk what your rep is doing, be it Ted Cruz, Rand, or even Ron Paul himself!

Cruz is fighting a huge fight, Rand and Ron are supporting him, so please - get behind the people like that and ask: how I can help.
No one knows what will future bring and how each of these guys will develop. One thing is for sure: of course Ted Cruz ws exposed to big busines and high power, of course he is rich, but: would anyone expect some no-name, off-the-street constitutional american to this? No way! It takes a pro like Cruz, or Rand to step in and do it.

Final thought: for next POTUS, vice-pres and GA I hope to see these three guys, no matter on what position: Judge Nap, Cruz and Rand.


How is Rand Paul supporting Cruz? Is he taking part in the filibuster? Is he spending time b/4 the senate?

Didn't think so...

Hi'ya Skippy! Yes, yes and yes again.

The answer to all 3 of your questions appears to be, "Yes".

Thanks to DP member "RandWatcher" for the OP.
--->Video--->Rand Paul joins Ted Cruz on Senate Floor-Defunding Obamacare"

Exercise Liberty.

America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad

Co-Opt...mmm hmmm. Me too,

Co-Opt...mmm hmmm. Me too, yeah, I heard it on Alex Jones.

I don't listen to AJ

We should ALWAYS be questioning the motives of our representatives. How is encouraging libertarians to question someone we know very little about a bad thing? I try to post a reminder that we've heard great rhetoric before used to get elected then the actions are different and that we should all be watchful and I get called a conspiracy guy?

I guess there is a first time for everything.

You can see a clear history of politicians saying one thing then doing another, we should all be reminded that great rhetoric is meaningless without consistent principled action.

He talks a good game let's see if he backs it up. Also, when it comes to foriegn policy or libertarian ideals he's not even close to Rand.

I stand with Ted Cruz

I stand with Ted Cruz tonight.

I stand with Rand/Cruz!

I stand with Rand/Cruz!

Everyone here is opposed to Obamacare...

...that's not the issue.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Hey Mike!

When I read that, I thought to myself, that Mr. WiseGuy stands with everybody!

Just kidding, Mike, I hope that you know that :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I do too

We just need to be vigilant.

No Matter Where He Stands on Obamacare

He still tows the Establishment line on foreign policy. Lovers of Liberty should be vigilant

When Michael Savage is

..Singing the praises for Ted Cruz....


When Rand did his filibuster...nary a word of praise...meanwhile GQ and many other publications are lining up to spotlight Cruz as something "special" while bashing Rand Paul.

GOP: Same sh^t different year.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!


I see we still agree. Nice to see you again.


They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

Exactly. Filibustering on

Exactly. Filibustering on behalf of the GOP's #1 issue is hardly interesting let alone heroic, especially given that it'll accomplish a whole load of nothing. Nice token publicity stunt, and what the hell, go for it Ted, but I ain't gonna suddenly say he's a conductor on the Liberty train like so many of the other easily impressed types that pervade this sight these days.

Yes, and PUBLICITY...

...is something he is getting ALL TOO EASILY.

I am against Obamacare...support those who oppose it, but this "Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend Mentality" has led many here to reaching out to some real wolves-in-sheep's-clothing.


Yes...we must vet these people....and stop being so desperate for "heroes".

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

got to love all the establishment trolls

on here dumping on Cruz. How is trying to stop Obamacare a bad thing? Only to someone who wants it.

Heidi Cruz

Look at the resume, do you think they believe in Austrian Econ? Do you think they believe in a humble foreign policy.


"In 2000, she served on the Bush 2000 Campaign in Austin as one of President George W. Bush's three economic advisors. She also served in the Administration as the economic director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council at the White House, advising the President and then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. She also is a former director at the U.S. Treasury Department and was special policy assistant to Ambassador Robert B. Zoellick, then Chief U.S. international trade negotiator."

An establishment troll

I am not. I just wanted to get that straight.

There are those who believe that obamacare can not/will not be stopped utilizing this method, and that this may possibly be a way to pull in/steer votes. There are those who believe that there may possibly be a way to deem it unconstitutional:


Vetting is the process that we should all participate, unless one is in fact an establishment troll.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

McCain is, and Boner was, in

McCain is, and Boner was, in that crowd, as is FnC.
Check out Sen. Mike Lee's explanation of the strategy, since you sure as hell won't hear it explained on any media or by top Republicans, and Alex Jones sure as hell won't admit when he's made a mistake.
As far as constantly being on guard, YES, that is the way of life--And you all would have been negligent if you did not constantly critique Ron Paul, had he been elected.

We may be dumb as sheep, but we herd like cats, and are more clever than monkeys. What sane person would think us cattle?

There's not one shred of me

There's not one shred of me that trusts Ted Cruz. He's nothing but an opportunistic repub trying to cash in on Rand's successful redirecting of the Republican Party. Does anyone for a second think he'd be the type to sit down with the Iranian president, take on the Fed, the drug war, etc? Not a chance. I get why he's being endorsed, but just because he's marginally better than most of the other jackals in the Senate shouldn't get us all excited.

If you don't like Rand or Cruz....my question to you is this:

Who are you supporting??

P.S. I think your "Unlike Rand" Bomb....well, Bombed. I just read your post from a few months ago....As of tonight on FB, Rand Paul 1,296,326 likes · 153,849 talking about this.

Maybe you should stop bashing Rand and Cruz--this movement needs all the attention it can get.

~My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I’ve finished two bags of M&Ms and a box of Junior Mints. I feel better already.

Again my friend. That post is

Again my friend. That post is more than 16 months old and it was a reaction to his very vocal support of Iran sanctions. I stand by it. But I've applauded many of his heroic stands since then. No, I don't support Cruz at all. I could bring myself to go to the polls to vote for Rand Paul however. You won't see me at Rand Paul sign waves and handing out literature like I did with his father though because I can't defend all of his positions the way I could with his father (except for perhaps his immigration platform).

I like Rand for the most part. I do NOT however like Cruz.