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For those speaking against Ted Cruz today

I fully understand what everyone is saying, he doesn't have a record yet to justify trust.

We know his ties, and power grabs are a possibility, but right now we need allies where we can take them. Stop condemning those who are helping us. If and when the time comes to oppose former allies, we will do so. You know what, if wacko bird McCain decides to help us defund Obamacare tomorrow, we shouldn't be making fun of him either, not for doing the RIGHT thing. We can go back to making fun of him as soon as the next bill comes up, as he's sure to go back to trying to screw us all over.

I don't trust Palin either, but we need her, we need the co-opted tea party and their conservative allies. I honestly think with the liberty movement, the tea party, and the conservatives, we have a real chance to win some elections in 2014 and 2016, including president if we play our cards right.

Rand has been out recruiting the "minority groups" for the Republican Party recently, and I personally think his bid for president will be based on whether or not he thinks he has the votes to pull it off, FROM these minority conversions.

While I would love a better option, we should keep in mind, a Rand/Palin ticket would bring in a HUGE majority of conservative voters, and we may want to keep it an option.

Let's keep our head in the game, while we can't trust everyone, we need allies right now, lets only bash them when they work against us please.



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Cruz took on a monster

Cruz took on ObamaCare, and unless he can deliver on his message, he will be next weeks news very quickly.

I agree though, wait until 12am Oct 2 and see if the ACA is defunded or not. If the gubermint is shutdown or not.

If Cruz can't follow through, he is done. Notice that Rand picked two items, made them his own, and beat both Obama AND McCain/Graham. That is why he continues to be in the news. Cruz will just be a flash in the pan unless he gets the shutdown he wants or ACA defunded.

So take a deep breath, Oct 2nd will be here soon

perceptive

I just finished making the same point in "by the fruits of their labors shall you know them" a few minutes ago. Now I see I wasn't the first to consider this. Kudos. As you said, we will see. As I additionally observed, the filibuster gets most of it effectiveness by the rarity of its use. When Rand filibustered it was news pretty much automatically because it had been so long since anyone had used the tactic. Now it has been used 2 times in about six months and, worse, the TIME has been pushed up to 21+ hours ... which partially means that a 12 hour filibuster a year from now AT A CRITICAL POINT will be much less effective right out of the gate. Certainly, it isn't as likely to make front page headlines and public debate merely because of novelty.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

so right

The conservative populist coalition is growing and we are a part of it. We are natural allies. We can learn from conservatives and they can learn from us. AS to Palin, SHE IS developing a philosophy and heavily influenced by Ron Paul.

Nothing wrong with giving old Cruz "feedback"

Just because he can handle himself doesn't mean we need to treat him with kid gloves.

He's not a talented athlete or an artistic talent that we have to negotiate a 'deal' with him.

Obama is doing just fine at the task of getting Americans to fear government... at all levels... rich, poor and in between.
He has gotten people who have never said a word to stand up in town halls and say, "enough!"
Some rich and middle class are voting with their feet and surrendering their citizenship. That's a serious commitment.

That's half the battle... an irate minority...

There will be politicians coming forward who are as good as Cruz and better.

It's the human spirit hungry for freedom.

We need to have confidence that the irate minority will field and support candidates who can help lead America back to it's free spirit.

No one gets a pass. No.

No one gets a pass.
No. One.

If Cruz is genuine, he will survive our distrust. And in time, earn our loyalty.

If he isn't, then it's coronation time for Hilary.

It's been rough for Rand too. And so it will be for Cruz.

The Democrats and Republicans have been chopping away at the tree of liberty for a long time. The tree of liberty cannot survive much more. It is perilously close to toppling over. We cannot be lax and just let anyone walk up to cleave one final blow and fell the tree. We actually must be even MORE mindful, MORE vigilant, MORE rebellious of all of our politicians. The life of liberty depends on it.

I don't think he's calling

I don't think he's calling for Cruz to get a "pass" as much as he is calling for supporting people doing the right thing and opposing them doing the wrong thing.

If we have politicians who are doing it 75% right and 25% wrong, if we attack them 100% of the time, then why should they ever consider listening to our reasons on the 25% they are messing up.

Better to tell them, "Sir you are correct on w, x, and y...but Senator, you are way off on z."

Also, this allows for the coalition building that Ron talks about. If we are able to praise that a candidate does right, we can better relate with his supporters. We then have an avenue to educate them, to push for common objectives, and we are less likely to be seen as "wacko birds" when it gets close to the presidential election and CNN, NBC, and FOX all start sending out the message that libertarians are crazy.

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Well said.

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Establishment is pissed off

What are we accomplishing today? Maybe something, and maybe nothing. But in spite of how the news media has been silent (even at FOX) about the filibuster, it is nonetheless drawing the corruption of the establishment cronies into the limelight where many Republican voters are figuring out FINALLY, that the vast majority of those in Washington with an (R) behind their name, care about nothing but lining their pockets.

I'm not the one standing there, making my feet hurt and my bladder expand. Take it for what it is and move on. I don't think anymore here needs WARNINGS now or ever about Cruz or anyone else. We know how to sort things out.

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Give the guy a fair shake

Is that too much to ask?

Toodle oot oot ooh, toodle oot oot ooh, eh?

I wish Cruz well as Canada's next Prime Minister. If Texas can't find an American to be their Senator, the South will never rise again.

Ouch!

Not my fault! I voted for Glenn Addison, I hope we do rise again!

No to SP on the ticket. Only

No to SP on the ticket. Only because it was done before. Rand and The Judge.

I agree in principle...

But I think Cruz's filibuster is seen by most people as the campaign stunt that it is. Rand's filibuster, on the other hand, brought an important issue to public attention, made the libertarian position mainstream (even GOP leadership sided with him) and forced the Obama administration to make a key clarification on an important legal issue. What, exactly, is Cruz accomplishing?

I'm just sad that so many are falling for this sideshow

It isn't about Cruz, it is about a broken system. Lot's of people here don't seem to realize what is going on. THERE IS NO SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO STOP OBAMACARE!!! The defunding vote in the House, the Cruz antics in the Senate, none of it is really about stopping Obamacare. It is about putting on a show to appease a conservative electorate that hates this healthcare law. However, the system WILL NOT STOP THIS LAW.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Thank you. My feelings exactly. This is more of the

powers that be making people "feel" like they are really fighting for something. It'll make us nice and calm for the takeover.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Hate to be a cynic, but...

I have to agree with you. All of this is a dog and pony show.

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. - Patrick Henry

I'm afraid you're right. This

I'm afraid you're right. This is a sham show that won't stop a thing and it's even fooling most DPers. Sad.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

This guy is completely correct

I love you. keep thinking. keep breathing.

a Paul/Palin ticket is intriguing.

DOUBLE DOWN ON PALIN. That would be bold as hell.

isn't that a movie?

isn't that a movie?

LOL

LOL

Cruz is OK!

Underlying thought of this is: 'we need to elect someone that will be always doing right so we can relax'. No, you will never be able to relax and will allways have to watch like a hawk what your rep is doing, be it Ted Cruz, Rand, or even Ron Paul himself!

Cruz is fighting a huge fight, Rand and Ron are supporting him, so please - get behind the people like that and ask: how I can help.
No one knows what will future bring and how each of these guys will develop. If they get off the line, we ought to let them know. One thing is for sure: of course Ted Cruz was exposed to big busines and high power, of course he is rich, but: would anyone expect some no-name, off-the-street constitutional american to do this? No way! It takes a pro like Cruz, or Rand to step in and do it.

Final thought: for next POTUS, vice-pres and AG I hope to see these three guys, at any of these positions: Judge Nap, Cruz and Rand.

...except

that Cruz is ineligible for POTUS and Vice-President, as well. He was born in Canada to a Cuban immigrant father, thus he is NOT a natural born citizen.

Law of Nations
Minor vs. Happersett

O.P.O.G.G. - Fighting the attempted devolution of the rEVOLution
Ron Paul 2012...and beyond
BAN ELECTRONIC VOTING!!

Bump for Judge Napolitano

For Supreme Court Justice (preferably Chief Justice!)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Cruz is not perfect..

But who is? Right now, Cruz is showing some serious stones and I support him.

Rand Paul and Ron Paul

both endorsed and campaigned for Ted Cruz, they both have been right so far about him.

Don't forget that Cruz worked

Don't forget that Cruz worked hard to stop obama from taking our guns.

McCain hates him so he must be ok.

look I dont know what ted cruz

is all about either, but while he is slightly on our team, he may be totally on our team, we obviously need to remain cautious of all. We can shift our focus to guaranteed scumbags, look if Cruz is paid disinfo, which I hope he is not, we got him for a few. Learn to ride the waves, stick and move peeps. Some reps will require our full attention, and some will work for us while working against us, and finally some will actually be on our side. So we have to strategize and use all of them for the sake of the country and we can utilize any variety, even the most wicked deceitful of them all, we can use any variety. Dont focus on Cruz, stick and move.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

My comments were directed more to the people

saying how we can never trust him because of his wife, or his background, and while I do think we should remain skeptical, simply stating we can't ever trust them, does nothing but cause doubt and can divide us.

We need to be united, now more than ever, not divided.

Peace and Love friends.

I don't trust him because...

he's on the record for ending the exclusionary rule, which would basically gut the fourth amendment. He might be slightly better than the average Republican overall -- but it's worth pointing out that he's not at all the constitutionalist that he pretends to be.