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Who Was Granger? And Why Does She Hate Michael Nystrom?

Her personal message from her account.

"Personal Statement
I am ashamed to have associated with Michael Nystrom and his HATE blog, Daily Paul, because they hate and blame Israel for everything. I LOVE ISRAEL and stand with Israel."

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/408

All I can say, is if she is real I hope she finds peace. But peace doesn't come without respecting the truth.

God Bless you Granger, I wish you well.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Ok - enough

I'm in contact with her via email. Trying to figure out what is going on.

Just remember, we all have our challenges. Some of them are more visible to outsiders than others. Some of us keep them well hidden - trying to look so perfect for the world.

There was a great video up here one time. I have no idea how I could find it again.

It was about a guy going through his day, and all the people he met, and all the silent challenges they were suffering from. If anyone remembers that, or knows what I'm talking about, please post it as a new thread.

Just find it in your heart to have compassion for others, regardless of how his/her words made you feel.

Look into your heart / is anybody home?

I for one don't miss her GOP troll posts.

It seemed like every recent post was fill with insanity and abuse, IMHO.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

It's sad--

I really miss the 'good old days'--

before *everyone* began suspecting *everyone else* of being either an anti-semite or an islamophobic--

there has always been some of that, but it got worse--

got to where I spent hours roaming around a dark house at night asking myself if I knew anything at all--

my conclusion?

If *anyone* is mean, whether individual or nation, I don't want to associate with them--

I don't want to contribute to genocide or divide--

it's not always easy to tell, and there aren't any countries left--LOL!

But there are degrees of meanness--

and degrees of people trying to control other human beings--

it's a rough world--

but *we* can make it good in our *own* spheres--

and we're trying here--

I miss Granger. I remember that she was very adamant about being a Republican, and I had given up on parties decades earlier, but still--

I believe she was a genuine human being--

she's going through some kind of phase, I suppose. Most humans do--

I'm reading a lot right now about race and leaving politics pretty much alone--

whatever race means--

I'm trying to understand how different cultures work--

it's been good--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

So

Granger is gone now ? Is she banned or did she leave on her own?
I didn't agree with her a a lot of things but she was a likable person and stood for what she believed in which is respectable...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Sounds like another whiney

Sounds like another whiney sheep to me.. "I stand with isreal" obviously blindly. Does he/she/it stand with isreal when their murdering innocent children, or destroying farms and crops and forcing the people to starve? Does he/she/it stand with isreal while they are taking over lands by force and then moving their people into them?

Would you stand with isreal if they decided to use nuclear, chemical or biological force against their enemy? Would you stand with them and watch as they ruin innocent peoples lives?

If you would, then you are more morally bankrupt than you would have others believe. At what point would you actually open your eyes(if ever) and realize that murder is wrong no matter who's doing it.

And, would he/she/it, sell out their own country(USA)to help advance isreals criminal agenda? If thats the case, then I suggest you move there

Isreal is a state of corruption, monsters, and child murderers. I in NO WAY want to be associated with such a vile state. And no this isn't HATE. I do not harbor hate for anyone, this is just truth. Facts speak for themselves.

deacon's picture

nonsense post

I down voted,in hopes it drops from sight
this is how you (I) lose respect
Why not ask the one who posted it?
Instead of creating a hate rant,spin it all you like,say you hope she finds peace,it still boils down to siting hate on a peace love forum

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

deacon

deacon please read my early comment explaining why I posted it.

http://www.dailypaul.com/300405/who-was-granger-and-why-does...

deacon's picture

just read that

seems i was wrong,and i apologize
I just am sick of all the arguing and fighting by the ones
who appear to be on the same side,and i had this post all wrong
I liked her also,didn't always like what she posted,but she forced me
to look into the things she said,for that I am grateful

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

i don't have any sympathy for granger

Granger was the first person to jump down anyone's throat who had a difference of opinion. Especially on Israel. And there was no tact or care for the other person. Then gets all upset with the blow back? C'mon....It was so bad people thought and still think granger was just a bot or a paid shill. I tried to be nice....but in the end it was to no avail.

I actually liked

I actually liked Granger...troll or not.

I only

exchanged a couple of comments with Granger and her responses to me were quite sincere. She said she was not good at written communications. That may explain why I had a hard time understanding her thinking processes, so I never got involved with any discussions with her. I don't think she is a bad person; maybe she likes to argue. She admitted she has been told many times in her life to chill out, so sounds like a personality trait. Granger, I might suggest meditation, it really helps.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Have we had enough of the Two Minutes Hate?

Two Minutes Hate, from George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, is a daily period in which Party members of the society of Oceania must watch a film depicting the Party's enemies (notably Emmanuel Goldstein and his followers) and express their hatred for them.

Or should we stretch this out into an entire Hate Week?

Hate Week is an event in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, designed to increase the hatred for the current enemy of the Party, as much as possible, whichever of the two opposing superstates that may be.

Or

Should we transmute our hatred into something more positive and meaningful?

Maybe we should pray for the Granger, pray for all the people of the Daily Paul, pray for peace.

Try this: Express your love and gratitude to someone nearby, someone you take for granted, someone that you would be devastated if that person were to disappear from the face of this earth.

You choose where you place your focus. Do you understand that? No one but you. Not anonymous ghosts hiding behind anonymous names on an internet message board.

Choose wisely, because every choice you make is karma.

Michael, that makes a lot of

Michael, that makes a lot of sense. Focus on love instead of hate. Great & easy concept! +1

...

Thanks Michael,

Bless Granger; she knows how to stir up a conversation.

My issues with Granger go

My issues with Granger go back way further than any of this Syria stuff that was her big issue recently.

I stated once that I give money to the ACLU because I agree with 80-90% of what they do. She called me a collectivist. I pointed out that she was IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, does that mean she agrees with 100% of what the Republican Party does? I'm called a troll.

There is certainly a number of people on this website that post unwarranted hate regularly. I won't name any names, but there was once a thread here recommending that we all watch a video of a guy saying that if the Jews are not careful, the Holocaust can happen here (America) as well. Someone tried to tell me that Jews believe in eating their own children. Another said that if Israel is wiped off the map, they are concerned that the Jews will come to America because America has too many Jews as it is.

But hate is everywhere, and I find the vast majority of my interactions with people here civil, interesting, and fun. Best of luck, Granger, finding a place with less hate, but that will be difficult considering she is herself a rather spiteful individual.

Based on my own interactions with Grander

I quickly concluded they were either a troll or a brainwashed zionist. Always expressing Israeli Exceptionalism and never faced the ugly Truths of acts of aggression towards the Palestinian people. Just seemed way out-of-character for an authentic member of the DP.

Don't be surprised if a new member pops up in the future expressing similar views.

My best advice is to ignore people like that. I had some "heated" exchanges with Granger one week, and the next they were "kissing a**" in another post as if the other week never happened. It was very inconsistent behaviour.

I hope they were a paid troll because if they actually were like that in real life, well, that's just sad.

Keep up the Positive Work Everyone!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

They were a paid JIDF troll. Just ignore these plants.

They are the tip of the spear for dis-information. There will be more. They will close the account and start up as a new user name. The one thing similar is you won't have ANY Ron Paul supporter verify their existance in the real world as a genuine supporter with history backing Paul in the primaries.

Skip the drama . . .

... and keep focused on effective action against tyranny. Liberty is rising :)

Avenge the USS Liberty !!!

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/07/alan-hart-israels-at...

((((((((((((Goodbye))))))))))

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I didn't particularly like her

but I do understand the hate she is talking about.

It does seem that most people here hate Jews and blame Israel for everything. The problem with this is two fold. First it unfairly demonizes one country or group of people and secondly it shields those who are really to blame.

Can we get over this divisive

Can we get over this divisive "If you disagree with Israel you are anti-sematic or hate Jews" rhetoric? I have heard it enough on this site. It only serves to create divisions in the movement and it actually promotes resentment toward those who follow Judaism.

If people blindly call you anti-Semitic for disagreeing with Israel's policies enough, there is a tendency to extrapolate this mistrust of Israel’s government with that of Jews in general as the association is created and reinforced by the very people who the hatred it is supposedly directed at.

Israel’s government is a POLITICAL organization whom I have serious issues with.

Judaism is an RELIGOUS affiliation whom I respect and have no hatred toward.

Cant we just leave it at that.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

I agree . . .

it was hard to post information about Jews who questioned Israel; I mean, really amazing, intelligent people--

and be told that they were 'haters'--

I don't understand that, but then I question *my* government--

so I applaud those who do the same thing wherever they live--

there are some really wonderful Jews of ALL 'types' (orthodox, secular, etc.)--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I

I think Jews are cool.

Jesus was Jewish

He wasn't a Politician though.

Most Governments are corrupt. We can criticize the government without hating the Jewish people.

My own gov't is corrupt. I don't hate myself.

Yep.

My wonderful Jewish/non-Zionist friend Cirocco got/and still is banned for merely pointing out what a shill Granger is.

DP is really missing out because Cirocco sends me the coolest, easiest, and cheapest high tech and food production prepper projects ever.

I quit coming here because of Granger.

really?

It's hard to believe someone like that would be banned. I always liked what Cirocco said--

yikes; I'm next!!!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I never understood why Cirocco was banned at a time

when The Granger was freely calling people here Jihadists and worse and didn't even get a reprimand from the Mods. Banning Cirocco only encouraged The Granger to continue with her ravings faster and more furiously.

I have a lot of respect for a whole lot of DPers. Cirocco is one of the ones at the top of my list. Always respectful and intelligent. I didn't get the banning then and I still don't get it now.

Come on, Michael... Give it some consideration allow Cirocco back... PLEASE. Cirocco was always an asset and a good reflection on this site and I believe would continue to be.

The first person I blocked

Just a person who seemed to take the opposing side and troll me no matter how wrong it was.

sovereign

Who Cares

I really don't get the fascination?

This is a stupid post.... With all the stuff we can discuss there are continual references to this internet keyboard jockey....

Take this tripe over to a craigslist rant where it belongs....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.