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I agree with Granger

There is a subculture of hate on this site and the site is being infiltrated by a group called Greenbacker. If you your financial education comes from these videos…. “All wars are banker’s wars”, “Web of Debt” or “Money Masters” and believe that James Corbett is a voice of reason you are having the wool pulled over your eyes by a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Allow me to ask a logical question….What did we use for money before there was a national debt? If all money is debt, what would we use for money if the USG had never gone into debt? What would we use if the USG balanced its budget? Gold is money…..where’s the debt? All money starts in the market place…..only when the government gets involved does it become socially corruptible. Please don't tell me about fractional reserve banking......I know all about it.....I deplore it but only because it is sanctioned by the government. I am an advocate for Free Banking, but with the Real Bills Doctrine as a provision.

Granger wasn’t off base, there are others that have noticed the rhetoric too…what about this post…...it got a lot of traffic and got 47down votes……I wonder why……because the Greenbacker don’t like to be challenged.

http://www.dailypaul.com/297513/where-is-michael-and-why-sho...

And since when have we solved ALL the problems in this country? Why would we attempt to go around the world solving the problems in other countries……ISN’T THAT IN COMPLETE CONTRIDICTION OF THE RON PAUL MESSAGE?

I haven’t broken down the pro-Israel vs Zionist hate but it ran pretty much …..Hate the Zionist. The thing about it…..most of these people don’t even know what the word Zionist means….they just know it has a negative connotation toward Israel. Zionist means “nation building”. Wow…..do you think the native Americans thought we were Zionist…you bet your ass they did…..we even titled it in the name of our God by lying to ourselves and calling it our Manifest Destiny.

And for those Christian that believe that Jesus is the only way……Jesus was a Jew….Jesus’s problem was with the Church (so to speak)….and executed by the State…..his God was The God of Abraham…..same as the Jews and same as the Muslins. My god is so big I would never insult my God by thinking that he COULDN’T make provision for salvation other than through “the way I think”……...my personal salvation is between me and him……period….How dare anyone declare to tell others the way to their salvation. I protect THEIR LIBERTY to choose for themselves.

Thanks MarkDarn for being a voice of reason on that thread.

My enemy is the State….not any other people…..just the State….read Albert J Nock……My Enemy,The State.

Did you know there was a German Zionist…..Bismarck…..Lincoln was a Zionist……hell he was responsible for killing 500,000 of our family members. Did you know there is a Arab Nationalism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism

Israel Nationalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

And for all those scholars out there that are about to tell me the Palestinians were there first….The Romans removed the Jews and dispersed them all over the world. There has never been a State of Palestine….it was only a region. The solution to the problem in the Middle East is to get out and leave them alone to solve it for themselves, which is what Ron Paul advocates…..the Greenbacker want to hold the Jews responsible for the banksters…..period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Roma...

I have looked into a lot of these anti-Israel post and the links that are used a references are leading back to Ellen Brown and the Greenbackers. How could these people be against the nation building statism described as Zionism…..The Greenbacker are Statist…..these people hate the Jews because they associate all Jews with the Bankster…..that’s where their hate come from and that is the ignorance of these post and links.

If you don’t know Ellen Brown.
http://www.garynorth.com/public/department141.cfm

If you don’t know Gary North.
http://www.garynorth.com/public/department141.cfm

Ron Paul picked him personally to be part of the school curriculum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxro9ys2DxM

I didn’t have a lot of interaction with Granger, but she wasn’t evil. These Greenbacker’s are evil. They are pure….. “Statist” and are not a friend to Liberty……they are the enemy…….they are my enemy. Oh they spout the same grievances as those of us on here for Liberty……but they only want to change who is in charge…..they only want change…… if THEY get the control. Liberty belongs to you……… is defined by what you ALLOW the government to have……we have given the state too much ……it is yours to give…..I WANT MINE BACK…….ISN’T THAT WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR…….NOT FREAKING ISRAEL.If you say it’s about the aid we give them and they shouldn’t treat people badly on OUR DIME…then why not speak out against the Arab or Muslin States that treat people bad….we give them more money combined then we give to Israel? It’s because there are no Arab banksters.

When the State grows your Liberty shrinks……period. Base1 you are a Greenbacker….or at least a shrill for them…….look at your post. Ron Paul does not support Greenbacker or the policies of the Populist movement. Ron Paul is a voice of reason when it comes to Israel…….. the Greenbacker are a voice of Hate.

Ron Paul recognizes the Greenbacker for who they are.…….Statist. If you don’t believe me read his book “A Case for Gold”

This is from RonPaul.com
Ron Paul: The Most Pro-Israel Candidate
With hundreds of nuclear weapons in her possession, Israel has become the most powerful state in the Middle East. She could easily take on her neighbors and eliminate any and all threats to her existence. Ron Paul would not stop Israel from defending her interests in any way she saw fit. When Israel attacked a nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, almost the entire U.S. Congress voted to condemn the act. Ron Paul was one of the few dissenters: he voted against the condemnation and in favor of Israel’s right to self-determination. (VOICE OF REASON)
Ending Foreign Aid Sets Israel Free
Ron Paul has also been criticized for wanting to “end foreign aid to Israel.” He had in fact called for an end to ALL foreign aid in general. Foreign aid acts like an entitlement: eventually the recipient grows dependent on it and will do everything in his power to continue the flow of funds. This might even involve spending some of the already-received payments to “lobby” for more money. Ron Paul believes this is a bad thing. Not only does foreign aid lead to corruption on both sides; it is inherently immoral. Ron Paul said that “foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country.” If foreign aid to all countries were stopped immediately, Israel would be the biggest net beneficiary. This is because the U.S. PAYS MUCH FOREIGN AID TO ISRAEL ENEMIES COMBINED THANTO ISRAEL.

Like a discouraged unemployed person whose welfare payments are about to run out, Israel would finally have the motivation to take care of herself, for example by ending socialist domestic policies within Israel. This in turn would make Israel much stronger and more independent. Ending all foreign aid would indeed set Israel free. (VOICE OF REASON)
Iran Is a Big Nobody
Iran is a large country, but from a military point of view they are a big nobody. They are surrounded by nuclear powers, they have no air force, no navy, and they are even incapable of producing as much gasoline as they need. Iranian officials are relegated to grudgingly hoping that “the Zionist regime will collapse”, which is the real meaning of Ahmadinejad’s infamous phrase frequently mistranslated as “we will wipe Israel off the map”. It is understandable that Iran wants to gain the international respect they deserve as a country of 75 million people. But according to U.S. intelligence reports there are no indications whatsoever that Iran is actively working on creating or obtaining a nuclear weapon. (VOICE OF REASON)
Israel Can Do What She Wants – But Leave America Out of It
If Israel believes that Iran might one day become a nuclear power and that such a development would be against her interests, Ron Paul would not stop Israel from doing whatever she deemed necessary to defend herself. Israeli assassination squads are already operating within Iran, and several Iranian nuclear scientists found themselves torn apart by mysterious explosions over the past few years. Ron Paul did not interfere. In fact, he would not even prevent Israel from initiating a devastating nuclear attack on Iran. However, neither would Ron Paul allow American lives to be sacrificed for Israeli interests. If Israeli officials knew that American kids will not throw themselves into the line of fire whenever Israel feels threatened by the boastful words of some wannabe dictator, Israel will act more responsibly when dealing with her neighbors – and grow much stronger for it. (VOICE OF REASON)
Ron Paul Will Allow Israel to Blossom
Like it or not, Ron Paul is the most pro-Israel candidate out there. His wise policies – not by design, but by pure logical consequence – will permit Israel to grow and blossom as a truly free, independent and powerful state. (VOICE OF REASON)

This article does not claim to represent Ron Paul’s official position on Israel and Iran. It’s just a summary of how we – as his grassroots supporters – interpret his statements on the issue. Please post a comment if you believe we misinterpreted Ron Paul’s position.

Here is the website
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-08-14/ron-paul-the-most-pro-isra...
I provided this not as a statement from Ron Paul, but as a piece of concise research on his views. If you wish to debate…..stick to the facts….I don’t have time for the name calling…..except you Base1, you can call me whatever you like…..I called you a Greenbacker….you get a pass.

Granger was a hard one to read, but not evil….I hope she comes back…..because if she doesn’t …then hate drove her away…I am glad I got to apologize to her the only time I was ugly to her….she could be frustrating…….Hate is just a form of statism……fall in or we will drive you out……watch and see if they don’t try and drive me out……good luck……
Michael….I will tell you up front …..I got this one,I won't be blamimg you.

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nuff said.

I'm not no

MFing Greenbacker, but I know about Zionism forwards and backwords, as I was plagued by this Liciferian allure, and that is exactly what the preachers of this blasphemy teach! Zionism is in no way Biblical, for Christians or Jews, period. It has been manufactured by the Rothschild agents, who helped Cyrus Scofield create the Scofield Reference bible, where this contrived scheme was hatched. Zionism is like a plague constructed by Lucifer to drive what would be good Christ followers, away from Christ's teachings and into following Luciferian death and destruction by making Christians believe 'if the don't protect Israel, they won't be raptured by Christ', which is complete Blasphemy! I know this, because I used to follow John Hagee, who is the leader of the unChristian Zionism hoax. I could go on for several pages exposing the creation of the Zionism hoax, but if you are a Christian, you should watch this documentary by We Hold These Truths and Strait Gate Ministries http://vimeo.com/29901084
If you are Jewish, you should read the info on this site http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm

I invite you to watch

this great lecture about Israel from the Bible point of view
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYQO9GsDD8

Will clear many misconceptions and wrong ideas about the role of Israel. Great speaker... Please watch it Goldspan ....

A good way to defend your freedoms: www.libertymagazine.org

I watched it as well Ed.

Thank you.

ok Ed thanks

i watched your video..thanks

JESUS WAS NOT A JEW

Jesus was not Jewish. He was from Judea. Jesus was a Judean.

That doesn't make Jesus Jewish.

http://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/Was-jesus-jewish.html

Benj. H. Freedman, Historian - Researcher - Scholar
From "Common Sense," 2-1-53 and 5-1-59

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard

a) Jesus was a blood descendant of King David through Mary
b) Jesus was a blood descendant of King David through Joseph
c) "Judea" was named for Judah, the head of one of the 12 tribes, hence,
d) to be "Judean" is to be of the tribe of Judah
e) Jesus celebrated passover each year as documented in the bible
f) Jesus prayed in the temple

You are completely wrong. The neonazis on DP are really slinging their alternative Aryan theories of Jesus far and wide today.

You might want to rethink (B)

Kind of dismisses the whole “immaculate conception” dogma

Not really.

The immaculate conception made him Son of God. Not many Kings were that, eh?

Jayzuss...

..was an Amurrikin!

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IIRC, it was mockery

kind of like how people in 19th century India would sarcastically refer to Victoria as their queen.

A signature used to be here!

I agree it was mockery

but it doesn't diminish the question king of?

JESUS IS THE KING OF ALL KINGS.

That "King Of The Jews" title was given to him by governor Pilate and placed on the cross above his head to slap the Jewish religious authorities in the face as Pilate was disgusted with them. They asked Pilate to remove it but he said, what is written is written.

ELVIS

..is the King of all Kings.
Unless it's Jack Kirby.

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Nobody. Jesus was not a

Nobody.

Jesus was not a king, he is the Christ of God's Kingdom that is many light years and dimensions away from our material reality.

Jesus only wore one crown, and He sure as heaven was not a king in this world.

King's don't get crucified to death.

Honest, hard working men and women get crucified, and get robbed by the kings.

Satan is king in this worldly, physical material realm of consciousness.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Οὖτις

"In Homer's epic, Odysseus lands on the island of the one-eyed giants during his journey home from the Trojan War and enters a cave filled with provisions with some of his men. When the giant Polyphemus returns home with his flocks, he blocks the entrance with a great stone and, scoffing at the usual custom of hospitality, eats two of the men. Next morning, the giant kills and eats two more and leaves the cave to graze his sheep.

After the giant returns in the evening and kills two more of the men, Odysseus offers Polyphemus some strong and undiluted wine given to him earlier on his journey. Drunk and unwary, the giant asks Odysseus his name, promising him a guest-gift if he answers. Odysseus tells him "Οὖτις", which means "no one".[2] and Polyphemus promises to eat this "Nobody" last of all. With that, he falls into a drunken sleep. Odysseus had meanwhile hardened a wooden stake in the fire and now drives it into Polyphemus' single eye. When Polyphemus shouts for help from his fellow giants, saying that "Nobody" has hurt him, they think Polyphemus is being afflicted by divine power and recommend prayer as the answer"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphemus

Excellent point.

I have never done any research on where the phrase "King of the Jews" commonly used today comes from.

The title King of the Jews

was a form of mockery by His dissenters.

Yes,' the whole ''King of the Jews" Issue was used as...

a mockery by them, (both the soldiers and the 'chief priests'): however, Pilate started the ball rolling by insisting on the phrasing- "Yeshua of Nazereth, King of the Jews". (This ticked off the religious leaders for two reasons: First, they had already proclaimed their loyalty to Caesar, several times, in fact. Second, when written in Hebrew, in the way Pilate would have written it, it actually spells out the name of God as an acronym. The Sanhedrin twisted it because of this, but He Himself told Pilate He was a king, but not of this world (potentially meaning, not of this world's type). He also said that He was born for that purpose. (John 18:13 - 19:22)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Wait... Wasn't that an

Wait... Wasn't that an accusation against him? Are you saying that was his actual title?
So Pilate was right then? Is that what you're saying?

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Thanks for the effort HAM

Any sources other than WIKI?

I own a lot of dictionaries both common language and legal, so to understand the concept a writer was trying to convey at the time of their writing.

Mass media has distorted a great deal of things, and a changing/fluid source such as WIKI is a good starting point, but hardly anything to draw a conclusion from.

Not that I feel like digging up

I don't have a copy of any original texts but the most historically certain event surrounding Jesus is that he was crucified.

I have no good reason to believe the original inscription did not state King of the Jews or something similar. Nor have you presented a compelling reason otherwise.

According to your article linked the inscription would have read King of Judeans or some similar derivative which is a known possible translation ...

The inscription read....

INRI

Iesus Nazarenus Rex Judeorum

Latin for

Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews.

Was he King of the Jews?

Well...
a) Jesus said he was
b) Jesus is a blood descendant of King David through Mary
c) Jesus is a blood descendant of King David through Joseph

I think you are confused.

I didn't link to an article.

Yup

My bad.

I'm not no

MFing Greenbacker, but I know about Zionism forwards and backwords, as I was plagued by this Liciferian allure, and that is exactly what the preachers of this blasphemy teach! Zionism is in no way Biblical, for Christians or Jews, period. It has been manufactured by the Rothschild agents, who helped Cyrus Scofield create the Scofield Reference bible, where this contrived scheme was hatched. Zionism is like a plague constructed by Lucifer to drive what would be good Christ followers, away from Christ's teachings and into following Luciferian death and destruction by making Christians believe 'if the don't protect Israel, they won't be raptured by Christ', which is complete Blasphemy! I know this, because I used to follow John Hagee, who is the leader of the unChristian Zionism hoax. I could go on for several pages exposing the creation of the Zionism hoax, but if you are a Christian, you should watch this documentary by We Hold These Truths and Strait Gate Ministries http://vimeo.com/29901084
If you are Jewish, you should read the info on this site http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm