I agree with GrangerSubmitted by Goldspan on Thu, 09/26/2013 - 04:48
There is a subculture of hate on this site and the site is being infiltrated by a group called Greenbacker. If you your financial education comes from these videos…. “All wars are banker’s wars”, “Web of Debt” or “Money Masters” and believe that James Corbett is a voice of reason you are having the wool pulled over your eyes by a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Allow me to ask a logical question….What did we use for money before there was a national debt? If all money is debt, what would we use for money if the USG had never gone into debt? What would we use if the USG balanced its budget? Gold is money…..where’s the debt? All money starts in the market place…..only when the government gets involved does it become socially corruptible. Please don't tell me about fractional reserve banking......I know all about it.....I deplore it but only because it is sanctioned by the government. I am an advocate for Free Banking, but with the Real Bills Doctrine as a provision.
Granger wasn’t off base, there are others that have noticed the rhetoric too…what about this post…...it got a lot of traffic and got 47down votes……I wonder why……because the Greenbacker don’t like to be challenged.
And since when have we solved ALL the problems in this country? Why would we attempt to go around the world solving the problems in other countries……ISN’T THAT IN COMPLETE CONTRIDICTION OF THE RON PAUL MESSAGE?
I haven’t broken down the pro-Israel vs Zionist hate but it ran pretty much …..Hate the Zionist. The thing about it…..most of these people don’t even know what the word Zionist means….they just know it has a negative connotation toward Israel. Zionist means “nation building”. Wow…..do you think the native Americans thought we were Zionist…you bet your ass they did…..we even titled it in the name of our God by lying to ourselves and calling it our Manifest Destiny.
And for those Christian that believe that Jesus is the only way……Jesus was a Jew….Jesus’s problem was with the Church (so to speak)….and executed by the State…..his God was The God of Abraham…..same as the Jews and same as the Muslins. My god is so big I would never insult my God by thinking that he COULDN’T make provision for salvation other than through “the way I think”……...my personal salvation is between me and him……period….How dare anyone declare to tell others the way to their salvation. I protect THEIR LIBERTY to choose for themselves.
Thanks MarkDarn for being a voice of reason on that thread.
My enemy is the State….not any other people…..just the State….read Albert J Nock……My Enemy,The State.
Did you know there was a German Zionist…..Bismarck…..Lincoln was a Zionist……hell he was responsible for killing 500,000 of our family members. Did you know there is a Arab Nationalism?
And for all those scholars out there that are about to tell me the Palestinians were there first….The Romans removed the Jews and dispersed them all over the world. There has never been a State of Palestine….it was only a region. The solution to the problem in the Middle East is to get out and leave them alone to solve it for themselves, which is what Ron Paul advocates…..the Greenbacker want to hold the Jews responsible for the banksters…..period
I have looked into a lot of these anti-Israel post and the links that are used a references are leading back to Ellen Brown and the Greenbackers. How could these people be against the nation building statism described as Zionism…..The Greenbacker are Statist…..these people hate the Jews because they associate all Jews with the Bankster…..that’s where their hate come from and that is the ignorance of these post and links.
If you don’t know Ellen Brown.
If you don’t know Gary North.
Ron Paul picked him personally to be part of the school curriculum
I didn’t have a lot of interaction with Granger, but she wasn’t evil. These Greenbacker’s are evil. They are pure….. “Statist” and are not a friend to Liberty……they are the enemy…….they are my enemy. Oh they spout the same grievances as those of us on here for Liberty……but they only want to change who is in charge…..they only want change…… if THEY get the control. Liberty belongs to you……… is defined by what you ALLOW the government to have……we have given the state too much ……it is yours to give…..I WANT MINE BACK…….ISN’T THAT WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR…….NOT FREAKING ISRAEL.If you say it’s about the aid we give them and they shouldn’t treat people badly on OUR DIME…then why not speak out against the Arab or Muslin States that treat people bad….we give them more money combined then we give to Israel? It’s because there are no Arab banksters.
When the State grows your Liberty shrinks……period. Base1 you are a Greenbacker….or at least a shrill for them…….look at your post. Ron Paul does not support Greenbacker or the policies of the Populist movement. Ron Paul is a voice of reason when it comes to Israel…….. the Greenbacker are a voice of Hate.
Ron Paul recognizes the Greenbacker for who they are.…….Statist. If you don’t believe me read his book “A Case for Gold”
This is from RonPaul.com
Ron Paul: The Most Pro-Israel Candidate
With hundreds of nuclear weapons in her possession, Israel has become the most powerful state in the Middle East. She could easily take on her neighbors and eliminate any and all threats to her existence. Ron Paul would not stop Israel from defending her interests in any way she saw fit. When Israel attacked a nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, almost the entire U.S. Congress voted to condemn the act. Ron Paul was one of the few dissenters: he voted against the condemnation and in favor of Israel’s right to self-determination. (VOICE OF REASON)
Ending Foreign Aid Sets Israel Free
Ron Paul has also been criticized for wanting to “end foreign aid to Israel.” He had in fact called for an end to ALL foreign aid in general. Foreign aid acts like an entitlement: eventually the recipient grows dependent on it and will do everything in his power to continue the flow of funds. This might even involve spending some of the already-received payments to “lobby” for more money. Ron Paul believes this is a bad thing. Not only does foreign aid lead to corruption on both sides; it is inherently immoral. Ron Paul said that “foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country.” If foreign aid to all countries were stopped immediately, Israel would be the biggest net beneficiary. This is because the U.S. PAYS MUCH FOREIGN AID TO ISRAEL ENEMIES COMBINED THANTO ISRAEL.
Like a discouraged unemployed person whose welfare payments are about to run out, Israel would finally have the motivation to take care of herself, for example by ending socialist domestic policies within Israel. This in turn would make Israel much stronger and more independent. Ending all foreign aid would indeed set Israel free. (VOICE OF REASON)
Iran Is a Big Nobody
Iran is a large country, but from a military point of view they are a big nobody. They are surrounded by nuclear powers, they have no air force, no navy, and they are even incapable of producing as much gasoline as they need. Iranian officials are relegated to grudgingly hoping that “the Zionist regime will collapse”, which is the real meaning of Ahmadinejad’s infamous phrase frequently mistranslated as “we will wipe Israel off the map”. It is understandable that Iran wants to gain the international respect they deserve as a country of 75 million people. But according to U.S. intelligence reports there are no indications whatsoever that Iran is actively working on creating or obtaining a nuclear weapon. (VOICE OF REASON)
Israel Can Do What She Wants – But Leave America Out of It
If Israel believes that Iran might one day become a nuclear power and that such a development would be against her interests, Ron Paul would not stop Israel from doing whatever she deemed necessary to defend herself. Israeli assassination squads are already operating within Iran, and several Iranian nuclear scientists found themselves torn apart by mysterious explosions over the past few years. Ron Paul did not interfere. In fact, he would not even prevent Israel from initiating a devastating nuclear attack on Iran. However, neither would Ron Paul allow American lives to be sacrificed for Israeli interests. If Israeli officials knew that American kids will not throw themselves into the line of fire whenever Israel feels threatened by the boastful words of some wannabe dictator, Israel will act more responsibly when dealing with her neighbors – and grow much stronger for it. (VOICE OF REASON)
Ron Paul Will Allow Israel to Blossom
Like it or not, Ron Paul is the most pro-Israel candidate out there. His wise policies – not by design, but by pure logical consequence – will permit Israel to grow and blossom as a truly free, independent and powerful state. (VOICE OF REASON)
This article does not claim to represent Ron Paul’s official position on Israel and Iran. It’s just a summary of how we – as his grassroots supporters – interpret his statements on the issue. Please post a comment if you believe we misinterpreted Ron Paul’s position.
Here is the website
I provided this not as a statement from Ron Paul, but as a piece of concise research on his views. If you wish to debate…..stick to the facts….I don’t have time for the name calling…..except you Base1, you can call me whatever you like…..I called you a Greenbacker….you get a pass.
Granger was a hard one to read, but not evil….I hope she comes back…..because if she doesn’t …then hate drove her away…I am glad I got to apologize to her the only time I was ugly to her….she could be frustrating…….Hate is just a form of statism……fall in or we will drive you out……watch and see if they don’t try and drive me out……good luck……
Michael….I will tell you up front …..I got this one,I won't be blamimg you.