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Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

By Tom Geoghegan
BBC News, Washington

The number of Americans giving up their citizenship has rocketed this year - partly, it's thought, because of a new tax law that is frustrating many expats.

Goodbye, US passport.

That's not a concept that Americans contemplate lightly. But it's one that many of them seem to be considering - and acting on.

The number of expatriates renouncing their US citizenship surged in the second quarter of 2013, compared with the same period the year before - 1,131 cases to 189 in 2012. It's still a small proportion of the estimated six million Americans abroad, but it's a significant rise.

The list is compiled by the Federal Register and while no reasons are given, the big looming factor seems to be tax.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24135021



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Costa Rica or somewhere in

Costa Rica or somewhere in the Carribean or South America. The Maldives below India would also be a top spot. Africa if it wasn't so dangerous.

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Probably for the same reasons I'm not interested either

Probably for the same reasons I'm not interested either in pursuing US citizenship with today's state of affairs.

Indeed, I have no interest in having stronger ties than I have already with a disgustingly growing Amerika.

I absolutely HATE socialism. You may have noticed.

I swear, I will flee from it again past the point of no return if/when I have to. And this time, that'll be by taking my american family with me. I can only hope we won't have to.

So, I may consider America again some day, maybe.

Well, assuming she can be back out of the grinder she's being shoved into right now, which I know ALL TOO WELL.

I can only strive standing up for liberty for now, and see where that'll take us.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Update bump: More Americans renouncing citzenship

From Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-06/americans-give-up-p...

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I went to Mexico, renounced

I went to Mexico, renounced my citizenship, burned my passport, SS Card etc.

Then I ran back across the border into America.

Its a great deal, I got a driver's license, get paid under the table and dont pay taxes and get free healthcare and government benefits...

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Yeah, that makes a lot of

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. :/

That was kinda stupid, you

That was kinda stupid, you didn't have to leave the country to renounce your citizenship, if you were born here.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Sorry, Tex,

Sorry Tex, but you're wrong. In order to renounce your citizenship, you MUST first be outside the US, and do it at a US embassy in another country.

I'll do it, because the costs of being a citizen far outweigh the benefits. US citizens are taxed on their worldwide income, no matter that they may never set foot inside the US again. Only Eritrea and Philippines have similar income tax law.

Hugs from Chile.

Hugs from Chile.

Yes, you can. And I know

Yes, you can. And I know people who have.

8 U.S. Code § 1483 - Restrictions on loss of nationality
states:
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (6) and (7) of section 1481 (a) of this title, no national of the United States can lose United States nationality under this chapter while within the United States or any of its outlying possessions, but loss of nationality shall result from the performance within the United States or any of its outlying possessions of any of the acts or the fulfillment of any of the conditions specified in this Part if and when the national thereafter takes up a residence outside the United States and its outlying possessions.

So what you say, that you must be outside of the USA is true, except per paragraphs (6) and (7) of 8 USC §1481.

8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
para (a)(6) states:

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense;

(emphasis added)

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

You just opened my eyes, Tex.

Thanks for that!

Hugs from Chile.

I was being sarcastic, I keep

I was being sarcastic, I keep forgetting about the purple text rule...

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

That was funny though!

:-)

I never remember applying for or asking for a citizenship.

Meybe they are not giveing up anything at all, but just making it clear that they are sovereign and not willing to have dictators force them into some citizen contract by nature of birth or location or whatever other excuse or reason dictators use to usurp freedom and enslave.

How can I give up what I never had and never want?

Kind of like some stranger building a fence around me forcing me to pay for it with extorted theft called tax backed by thugs in uniform w weapons and badges.

Then trying to convince me that I am a citizen of the area within the fence. With the bigest insult being that now every atrocity and demand will be based upon that claim that I am their citizen by nature of that fenced off area I live in. Citizen is synonymous with gangster, being forced into a gang.

The whole thing just dont sound resonable to me.

sovereign

Dating back thousands of

Dating back thousands of years, the child inherits the status of the parents(historically, the status of the father). You inherited citizenship until you emanipate from you parents, AND refute your citizenship FORMALLY. Silence on the matter is considered consent.

But citizenship is voluntary and can be surrendered per USC Title 8 para 1481 (a)(6).

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Silence on the matter is considered consent.

Well to the dictators perhaps.

Silence has never been considered to be consent in my life on any matter.

I do understand what the perverted criminals use as their so called laws but its hog wash and if somone tells me that my silence means that I consent or agree I will tell them that they are a liar.

sovereign

You didn't apply

The state made you a citizen or more properly termed, a subject.
The state doesn't care what you want and never has. In its view you are something it owns and you exist to provide it money, labor and even your life if it decides to take it or sacrifice it.